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Equus Pallidus
15 years ago

Federal Reserve: A private corperation who creates money out of thin air and puts it into circulation on interest. They do nothing but create a money suply and charge us to use it. So the more the Government borrows the richer the owners of the the federal reserve get. So these trillion dollar “bail outs”, expensive wars and social programs make these asswipes more money.

They love war, the poor, and all government spending. I is absolutely rediculoust that we put up with this crap. They are theieves of our labor and should be put up on trial, imprisioned and we should return to Constitutional money. Yo can read part of Andrew Jacksons farwell speech about bankers at my blog.

http://phucktheoligarchy.blogspot.com/2009/04/approaches-podium.html

d.a.
15 years ago

If I ever think I’ll go hard core libertarian, I’ll just re-read this cartoon and laugh at myself:

http://www.leftycartoons.com/if-housepets-were-libertarians/

jack hopkins
jack hopkins
15 years ago

I think it’s way too LATE to consider any CHANCE of SAVING this COUNTRY. The POLITICIANS are VOTING to let ALIENS into the SOCIAL SECURITY program that THEY have NEVER contributed to.
These ver same people will NOW VOTE as CITIZENS to support those CROOKS who call themselves POLITIANS.
We have been HOOD WINKED by a group of people who were RAISED on SOCIALISM. They THINK because of the way they were supported in the PAST .. that all you have to do to MAKE MONEY is to PRINT IT !!

Equus Pallidus
15 years ago

Hopkins,

All empires fall, without exception.

Equus Pallidus
15 years ago

Jack

Is this even legal?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124148012581385199.html

Move your 401k into tresuries, Now!

Joe
Joe
15 years ago

LOVIN’ IT!
Thanks for the insight.

Hartmann
Hartmann
15 years ago

Like you, Jack I am the “third type” of Libertarian. In fact though I’ve always been registered to vote, I refused to join any party until 3 years ago when I took the stand and became a “card carryin’ Libertarian.”

Just some friendly tips … I enjoy your shows but a few times I think you used different words than the ones you may have meant. I’m not trying to be snarky or a smart-***, just helpful for when you are next interviewed:

“expose” – I think you meant, “espouse”
“in consort” – I think you meant, “in concert”

Again, not trying to flame or be condescending, just some friendly observations. Keep up the great work. 🙂

BTW is the answer to your question, “Truman?” I believe he drew down forces & military spending after WWII.

d.a.
15 years ago

@Modern Survival – ah, but I disagree! The vast majority of the hard-core libertarians I know (and truly love) refuse to acknowledge the opportunities and privileges they’ve had that the gov’t provided, which have allowed them the safety & opportunity to develop their views. But I do appreciate your viewpoint (and those of my libertarian friends – we agree more often than not), and thanks for the response – so rare on many blogs!

Kristen
Kristen
15 years ago

Can you take a poll to see what party most survivalists on the forum consider themselves to be? I would be interested to see the results.

LandRaider
LandRaider
15 years ago

@DA

That cartoon is really not very well thought out. Do dogs in the wild need owners to look after them? No.. They provide for themselves. Do the fish in the wild need a filter? No.. Nature works with them to provide breathable water.

They\’re independent, and while they are wild animals not capable of knowing what liberty, and freedom are, I bet they are JUST as happy(If not happier than some)as a pet in a home with people.

Doomfisher
Doomfisher
15 years ago

Jack

Please….quit justifying your actions on your podcast. If people do not like your views then there are other shows out there. 10 minutes of you pandering to assholes is getting old.

Just my opinion buddy.

Doomfisher
Doomfisher
15 years ago

LandRaider

There\\\’s no use talking to D.A. Some people need the government to tell them what to do next or give them their next handout. They are afraid to bite the hand that feeds them.

Dan Hunter
Dan Hunter
15 years ago

IJack two people walked into a Branson restaurant last night with flu mask on no joke.They said they were scared of getting the swine flu.They sit there taking off there mask to eat steak. It reminded me of the comment your son made about the kid in mexico.I think the media has blown this completly out of the water.DID you see the PBS special on WW2 BEHIND CLOSED DOORS it was on last night they talked about all the peolpe that died in Russia because of the GOV pretty scary.It was so bad there evan Hitler was in shock.I think they said that 27 million people died. This is what can happen when you have a total GOV take over. The people worked for them or starved.

Dan Hunter
Dan Hunter
15 years ago

@ Equus Pallidus on your comment about 401K i think that is fraud they tell you your money is insured up to $100.000.But when you try to take out $40.000 like the one man did they say no your 401K has been frooze.

d.a.
15 years ago

@Doomfisher – I think Modern Survival and I had a respectful conversation, with good points made (and acknowledged) on both parties. Assuming an entire mindset – I want government to tell me what to do – even when I said I agree with much of what my libertarian friends say, is a huge overreach. Conversation like what Modern Survival provided helps me to understand more. In any subject, assumptions and self-righteousness turn people away.

Call Me A Cynic
Call Me A Cynic
15 years ago

Will it make me a libertarian! God I hope so!

Jamie
Jamie
15 years ago

Many people today are like those animals in the cartoon—domesticated. Without the feeding, housing, and training of their owner/handlers they couldn’t survive. Wild animals are like the libertarian/survivalist, able to make it on their own. At the max, government’s only legit reason for being is to protect life and property–neither of which modern governments do well.

Dr. Horrible
Dr. Horrible
15 years ago

A libertarian or a Libertarian? They aren’t the same thing.

After a previous flirtation with the LP, I can’t imagine anything that would ever lead me to be a member of it. If anything, survivalism should logically lead you to be more of an independent rather than a member of a national party.

Jimbo
Jimbo
15 years ago

d.a., hate to break the news to you, but the socialist worker’s paradises aren’t working out so well in Europe. P.S. that cartoon was lame.

BOB THE RATT
BOB THE RATT
15 years ago

Survivalism will make you very independant and then you will turn into a libertarian in some form or fashion. It has made me so independant I could never sign on to ANY political party again. I will continue to vote, but I will evaluate the person running for office and what they stand for independantly of looking at a letter behind the name. This includes Libertarian candidates, because there are a things about the party platform that actually give me problems. Survivalism has made me the little l not the big L.
Thanks Jack, for another great podcast.

BOB THE RATT
BOB THE RATT
15 years ago

Oh by the way, here in South Carolina we do not register in a political party. The state does not make you commit to a party, just if you vote in the democratic primary you cannot vote in the republican, and vice versa.

ken325
ken325
15 years ago

I have some libertarian leanings but I also work for the federal government. It can be an uncomfortable position to be in at times. Over time I have refined my views on what the role of government should be. It is a very complicated issue. First of all Medicare, defense, interest on the debt, and social security take up over 80% of the federal budget. When people say slash government 50% but don’t touch these programs they are advocating deficit spending. If your against government attack these items first. All the departments you see as federal government (FBI, NASA, NIH, EPA, Transportation, Education, State) take up less than 20% of the budget. Now I know that survivalist don’t need the government but do you want to have diplomats? Do you want to buy meat or peanut butter from a place that hasn’t been inspected? Do you want people dumping crap into the air and water that will give you cancer? Do you want safe effective drugs? Do you want air traffic controllers? Do you want someone watching the banks and stock market to make sure that you are not being robed? Do you want the FBI to catch bank robbers? Do you want criminals kept in prisons? In these examples I listed some places where the government failed because you see that you do need government to do its job correctly. I agree that we need to rein in government but I want people to think about it rather than shout slash government 50 % without thinking.

The problems with government inefficiency and incompetence are due to many factors. One of the biggest ones is that it is very difficult to fire federal employees. This was done to prevent huge turn over after every election. We also have political correctness limiting us. We have a lot of old, disabled people who can’t do the job but we can’t do anything about it. Another problem is congress and the budget. Congress has the power of the purse and it is very defensive of this power. If congress budgets money for something that is not needed you have to do it anyway because that is the law. If we could change these things then we could make government much more efficient. Government is necessary but we need a smaller more efficient government.

stevec
stevec
15 years ago

Jack…..

“Holmes one of the great libertarian minds…..”

Are you familiar with his advocacy of FORCED STERILIZATIONS? Are you familiar with the BUCK v. BELL decision? Are you familiar with his passage that “three generations if idiots are enough”?

Are you aware that he was extensively quoted by the NAZI’s in their defense at the Buremberg trial?

Please clarify how this is consistent with a libertarian world view.

Rp
Rp
15 years ago

Great show Jack.
It makes me think about that DHS report that came out about “who is a potential terrorist”. It seams that they put in there alot of qualities of people that are upset at what the govt has become and the power they have. People that want to live by the constitution. People that flat out just don’t agree with them and there for are threats to them and they’re power. Those people are coming out more and more. I think the people need to get back in control. Easier said than done I guess.

Doomfisher
Doomfisher
15 years ago

\\"In any subject, assumptions and self-righteousness turn people away.\\"

\\"The vast majority of the hard-core libertarians I know (and truly love) refuse to acknowledge the opportunities and privileges they’ve had that the gov’t provided, which have allowed them the safety & opportunity to develop their views.\\"

I\\\’ll quit overreaching when you quit contradicting. You tell me not to assume, yet how am I supposed to read this? You assume that since your Libertarian friends don\\\’t recognize the \\"good\\" that government does, then I don\\\’t either.

The cartoon you posted as truth tells me all I need to assume what I need about you. I\\\’ll admit I assume, I\\\’ve met too many like you. When the first words are \\"look how awesome gov is!\\". I\\\’m immediately suspicious.

Jack, you\\\’re backpedalling (sp?).

\\"They know they could have been done for less money and with more efficiency with out big brother.\\"

Now government does things better? You said they didn\\\’t!

Anyway, I\\\’m sorry if I offended either of you. I just completely disagree that consensus is the way to handle people who are just plain wrong. Being halfway right is still wrong.

BOB THE RATT
BOB THE RATT
15 years ago

Here is a news flash for all those that think the FBI still chases bank robbers….They don’t. In my jurisdiction we usually have a couple bank robberies a week on average. I have not seen a FBI agent come out to a bank robbery seen since 9/11. We have a 99.9% catch rate of bank robbers here, and none have been charged federally since 9/11. the FBI “no longer has the agents” to address this issue and leave it up to the locals. With 9/11 everything has changed,I don’t know how to explain it, but the interaction between local jurisdictions and the fed has changed. I guess it is more of a mentality shift. Local departments are still concerned with day to day crime affecting the citizens, and the Feds come in under “Homeland Security” and tell locals how they are going to run their departments. This hurts everybody.
It is the main reason I don’t care for the Feds, and I have some friends that are Feds, they now bully the local departments. I have seen this first hand and it just got worse with the stimulus money.

Brian Quick
Brian Quick
15 years ago

I really liked the Benjamin Franklin quote you mentioned.

“The refusal of King George to allow the colonies to operate an honest money system, which freed the ordinary man from clutches of the money manipulators was probably the prime cause of the revolution.”

I like it so much that I went looking for the original source…

Unfortunately, it appears to be misattributed.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin

John
John
15 years ago

Being a Libertarian has only opened my eyes to what is REALLY going on in this country. I have seen this coming for many years. It made me aware that I was the only one I could count on to preserve my family.
If you are against survivalism,I have only one question to ask..” Name one politician in Washington who is actually representing his/her constituants rather than representing his/her own interests.”

Equus Pallidus
15 years ago

Jack you mentioned O.W.Holmes in this podcast, but I think you called him a great thinker. Scirnce was burgeoning out of Darwin, and many lost there way at the time. Those who still huld to this lrgacy are some finacial elite and planned parenthood. Sick people. Too bad Holmes bought into the dawinian lie.

stevec
stevec
15 years ago

Libertarianism is based upon respect for NATURAL RIGHTS……whether from a theological or even diest standpoint [ie Endowed by the Creator] or a secular one [Self – Evident Truths] .

Government mandated social eugenics programs such as those advocated by Justice Holmes are completely antithetical to libertarianism.