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Cordovil
Cordovil
12 years ago

“If you don’t pay your ‘dues’, you get nothing, you get frozen out. All you can actually do at that point is show up for floor votes. No one is going to work with you, you can’t introduce any bills, you can’t really object to them either other then on the final votes on the main floor.”

Still, as we barrel toward oblivion it’d be preferable to stack the congress with as many people as we can who will simply do just that: show up and vote NO on every friggin’ bill the clowns in congress try to pass.

It’d be better than the current crop of clowns we have in there. The less the federal government does, the better. Gum up the works, I say.

Jon
Jon
12 years ago

I was to the point where I didn’t even want to vote anymore because everything is so corrupt. But after having a run in with Child “Protective” Services (CPS).

CPS were called to my house because my almost 5 yr old daughter was holding her baby sister in a restaurant and a person at the restaurant didn’t like how she was holding the baby (my wife immediately took the baby from my daughter after the woman complained). The reporting cop said she wouldn’t report it to CPS. Well come Christmas eve and CPS shows up. I told the woman she couldn’t come into my home w/o a warrant (I would hope a judge wouldn’t be party to this intrusion into my home). The CPS person said she didn’t need a warrant because she isn’t the cops. She then said if I didn’t let her in she would call the cops, come in regardless with them, and possibly take my kids away. At this point I got scared and let her in.

We have a friend that her family was broken apart because of a baseless allegation. All 8 kids in foster care now. She is trying to get them back but CPS refuses to be straight with her on how she can get them back. She has basically divorced her husband in order to show that she will do whatever it takes to get them back.

After all this occurred I’ve looked on the internet and found countless similar stories. We now belong to HSLDA (it’s pretty bad when you have to hire people preemptively to protect yourself against those who are supposed to be protecting you).

This is my main fight now. We need to get rid of the federal monies that incentivize CPS agents to breaking up families. If a person hasn’t been alleged of a felony then CPS shouldn’t be allowed to break the family apart. Breaking the family apart is psychologically harmful to children and should only be done as a last resort. What CPS is doing is nothing more than a modern witch hunt when hearsay is allowed to break up families.

Cryptozoic
Cryptozoic
12 years ago

True, our only hope lies at the State level.
Many States lately have taken action to protect their citizens against the predations of the FedGov, most notably Obamacare and gun rights.

Now, if we could just get 35 States to repeal the 17th amendment…..
The 16th amendment…..
The Federal Reserve…..

Adam
Adam
12 years ago

so voting is useless

Insidious
Insidious
12 years ago

Particularly interesting is that the two ‘independent’ Senators ‘caucus’ with the Blues (the majority).. so, so much for ‘independence’.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress

Would your libertarian candidate pay their bribes to the Blues or the Reds?

Brian
Brian
12 years ago

Looks like voting for 3rd parties is more important than ever. I read all those articles. And didn’t see anything on how independent candidates are treated. Do they get to Washington and just get cast to the corner until it’s time to vote on things?

Just looked it up on wiki. I guess there’s only 2 and they seem to be siding with the Democratic party, do they pay dues as well?

Dan Hunter
12 years ago

We have a congressman here in SW MO that had the big sob story about how his daddy would hold him up on his shoulders when he was a kid so he could watch the train come in at the Springfield Mo depot.Made all kinds of promises that he would make changes no sooner than he got in there he sold us out.And when confronted about it his excuse was what am i to do go off in a corner and hold my breath.Needless to say he was voted right back in for a second term.

steve
steve
12 years ago

so are you saying people like Rand Paul or Justin Amash dont make any difference?

Patrick Barron
12 years ago

Thank you Jack for pointing out my website and the dysfunction in congress that is so little known. For anyone who’s interested here’s a link to a brief article I wrote about the subject as well. Thanks to everyone for taking the time to learn about the pay to play system in Washington.

http://www.golocalworcester.com/politics/guest-mindsetter-patrick-barron-defining-the-machine/

WERM
WERM
12 years ago

In my experience this happens on the small, local level too. Back in 2008 I was inspired/woken up by seeing Ron Paul in an early debate, and decided to become part of the movement to try to get him nominated. I’d never really been involved in politics, so I was a completely fresh face at the caucus. Just as the pre-approved slate of nominees was about to be voted through, of the other guys in our little group of “subversives” (I think there were four of us), stood up and requested that nominations be taken from the floor instead. I was nominated by one of our group, and the local republican leaders were so excited to see some “new blood” (at 27, I was the youngest person there) that one of the guys stepped down from his spot on the slate to allow me to get elected as a delegate. Of course, this was before they knew that I was “the enemy” (Ron Paul wasn’t really on their radar yet).

It was a very intense and eye-opening time. I went to the district and state conventions and even did a little campaigning to try to win a spot at the national convention. I was regularly reprimanded for not being a “team player”, and even accused of being a democrat saboteur! I was specifically told that it was disrespectful of me not to vote with the rest of my county until I’d been involved with the club for a few years, done my volunteering time at the events, and (literally) paid my dues.

It was clear at every level of the limited part of the process I experienced that there were marching orders sent in from somewhere up top, and the caucuses and conventions were supposed to be ceremonial at best. The slates and agendas were set and ready to be voted on. We Ron Paul supporters were vilified for daring to try to bring some thought and consideration into the proceedings.

My favorite story has to do with one of the first votes at the state convention, the vote to approve the rules. One of the rules was obviously designed to prevent the submission of amendments for the state party platform (any amendment would be required to be delivered in writing to every member of the convention (something like 1200 people), and since the platform had only been released in its official form that morning, it gave maybe an hour to read it, compose an amendment, go out and make 1200 copies, then come back and distribute those to the whole convention body before the platform was voted on, which is among the first few votes). There were objections, and a motion to change that rule to allow amendments to be submitted in writing to the chairperson, who would then read them out to the convention. A fair and logical solution, I thought. I was the only person in my county to vote for the rule change, and I felt like I might be tarred and feathered at any moment. People got out of their seats and came out of their way to tell me how wrong I was. The guy sitting next to me asked me why I have voted that way and I told him I felt that the existing wording was designed to railroad the platform through without changes. Here’s the punchline: his reply was “yeah, I agree, but I don’t want to be here all day voting on amendments.” I always thought that was pretty funny.

Sorry for the rambling digressions. I get pretty fired up when I start thinking about this stuff. There’s a bit in there that’s relevant to the discussion.

Brian W/NorIDhunter
Brian W/NorIDhunter
12 years ago
Reply to  WERM

Thanks WERM. I got a little fired up too and tried to work from the inside ground level to be a RP supporter as a precinct committee person in my district during the last “cycle”. Lost resoundingly but oh well. Prolly just as well, eh?!

Insidious
Insidious
12 years ago
Reply to  WERM

reading this made me think:

political party = labor union

maybe in our future ‘perfect state’, parties need to be prohibited

mbenner
mbenner
12 years ago

Wow! sadly this is eye opening. maybe its time to just start over instead of making a list of 5 or 10 states. Lets focus on one state and get movement going that said state to start seceding and start a new nation.

Brian W/NorIDhunter
Brian W/NorIDhunter
12 years ago

@ Jack – I just cut/pasted the pertinent parts and e-mailed to my “Rep”, Raul Labrador (ID-1), & asking him to comment. It will will be interesting to see if/how he responds.
Thanks for sharing this, I’ll post up his response , if any. (rolleyes)

Patrick Barron
12 years ago

In a quick look, it appears he’s a newbee. Leadership is putting him in debt first and will get payback later (votes, money whatever)
He’s taken over 63,000. from party leadership. The most coming from LPACS run by Boehner, Ryan, Cantor Hatch, Crapo and others.
He’s given 10,000. back to the NRCC .
Often first-termers may have lesser amounts assigned or are exempted if they are in a district which may be difficult to win again. Also they may not have the connections yet to draw bigger money.
Sourced:
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/pacs.php?cycle=2012&cid=N00031377&sector=Q&seclong=Ideological%2FSingle-Issue&cat=Q03&induslong=Leadership+PACs&newMem=N

Please spread the word about the issue and my website. Thanks!

Preppingmom
Preppingmom
12 years ago

@ Patrick Barron – I went to opensecrets.org to check out my Congressman Tom McClintock R-CA (I know, I know) but can’t decide how bad it really is! Could you take a quick peek and give me a rating? I’ve been a registered Libertarian (yes big L) since 1979, and vote that way unless there isn’t one on the ballot. This guy talks the talk and walks the walk. Ran in the primary against Arnold Schwarzenegger for Governor and we would be so much better off had he won. I believe he is right there with Dr. Paul, but perhaps you can give me the REAL picture! Thanks!

Patrick Barron
12 years ago
Reply to  Preppingmom

Hi,
Thanks for asking about Tom McClintock. I enjoy checking into different Congressional members. Wish I could do it full-time.

Short version:
I bet he’s a great candidate who sounds and is (or was) totally sincere when campaigning. Bet he’s an easy guy to like. Consistently socially conservative (if you’re into that) and fiscally very conservative (which for me is the priority issue) but unfortunately he’s probably on the wrong path and becoming part of the dysfunction.

Analysis:
Couple things jump out when quickly looking at McClintock.
1. I’ve heard of him and I’m from Mass. He’s from CA. Not a great sign. You only hear about people the party leadership wants you to hear about. Allen West is a prime example. Pre-tweet scandal so was Anthony Weiner for the Democrats.
2. His career in politics, having run for Congress in ’92 then CA. Assembly, then CA. Senate, ran for Gov., Lt Gov. and then wins Congress in 2008 also with a question of what district he actually lives in tells you he’s probably an inside player.
3. In his first term, committee’s McClintock is on: Education and Labor (not great) and Natural Resources (good for raising money especially in CA.) Then he leaves Education and Labor and goes to Budget (one of the most powerful committees).

Uh-oh, how did this happen?

He paid his way. In 2010 the number one recipient of his campaign funds was the NRCC, $277,000. This amount is high especially for a newer member. Means he had/has connection when getting to Congress and uses them.

Source:
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/expend.php?cycle=2010&cid=N00006863&type=I

Then in 2012 he gives $232,000 to the NRCC. That’s half a million dollars in under 4 years he raised only to give back to the party! I’ll bet I can find speeches with him saying there’s too much money in politics but look what he does.

Source:
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/expend.php?cid=N00006863&cycle=2012

Bottom line; I’d take him over the Liberal left and possibly other conservatives but doesn’t appear he’ll actually fix anything anytime soon. Sorry.

Again, Thanks for asking. If you like my theory about the pay to play system please help spread the word, Facebook my website, whatever you can do is greatly appreciated!

Donna
Donna
12 years ago

I’ll take awareness!!
Take Rand too! Any body email or call a Senator or Congressman today? This week, or month? It’s so easy to put them in as contacts on our phone or set up in email addresses. I put under ‘S’ for Senator, “C” for congressman, etc. Hell, that way, I don’t have to put any effort into remembering the low life’s names either. I am gonna have my kid set up a twitter on my cell this weekend. Seems most of them have those too. Especially the lefty ones and its time to throw out some sense onto those twitter feeds. Should be fun!

Gary Scott
Gary Scott
12 years ago

Great Show Jack. I left the Repubs in 1997 when I saw they were just one wing of the two winged bird. You have now given me more details. Ayn Rand sure nailed it in Atlas Shrugged (1957), when she recommended opting out of supporting the system financially and with our work ethic (gone galt) .
P.S. Let me know when the bus gets to Sacramento, I will be there with my suitcase for the return trip to Austin.

white tyrone
white tyrone
12 years ago

Im not sure if you are aware of the journalist Ben Swan, but I think he would be interested in this WTF project. He is libritarian minded and reaches a lot of ppl. I’ll send him a message, if you all could email him, im sure he would check it out. He is imo one of the few if not only reporters out there for the liberty movement.

Mike
Mike
12 years ago

One other thing that might be useful to people considering making a move beyond writing letters to your local representatives and the like is to consider addressing a meeting of your local school board or your local chamber of commerce in person and telling your story. Most of these organizations have monthly scheduled meetings that you can easily find with a couple of minutes on google. People remember face to face first hand testimonials.

Spencer
Spencer
12 years ago

We need a Beppe Grillo.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/27/italian-deadlock-beppe-grillo-deal

We must kill the 2-party system.

Vince
Vince
12 years ago

I haven’t listened to this ‘cast yet, it’ll have to wait until after class. But I wanted to point out that this is THE WHOLE REASON that they Amended the Constitution to take away the Senate from the states and make it “popular”. You can easily buy Senators and Reps, but you can’t easily buy the people that choose them because you’d have to pay for their elections as well. Not to mention, you would have to deal with the repercussions to the state elected officials for any “untowards” legislation that “their” Senators signed onto. Yep, the Proglodytes from the 1910’s really screwed us.

Vince
Vince
12 years ago
Reply to  Vince

Oops. My bad. I hadn’t read this post. I was running out to school when I saw it. I didn’t realize it was an article.
I hope you get your voice back soon.

Mark
Mark
12 years ago

One of the last statements in the message is to pick a liberty oriented state that you most align with and move there. I understand the truth in this statement.

What does the TSP community believe are the best liberty oriented states in the country? How about best per region (e.g. New England, Mid-Atlantic, Southeast, Southwest, Midwest, West Coast (really?), Mountain States)?

aletoledo
aletoledo
12 years ago

Whats the difference between a libertarian and an anarcho-capitalist? About a year.