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InBox485
11 years ago

But wait… I thought the entire silver community was going to boycott anything related to mulligan mint… and that they would never get anywhere with their beyond hopelessly damaged reputation… [/eyeroll]

InBox485
11 years ago

Too late. It popped earlier this morning. Emo-man-child is on update #15 (who the hell does 15 updates on something most of us would delete the next day and claim to have been near fatally intoxicated?):

http://dont-tread-on.me/?p=29291

And has done a youtube promising an epic lawsuit to end Rob once and for all:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUB6Ejfp3Xw

How he intends to gather evidence sufficient to survive the first motion to dismiss is beyond me since he can’t even articulate facts on a blog, but whatever.

Tyronedeblanco
Tyronedeblanco
11 years ago
Reply to  InBox485

Lmao. : 0

Tyronedeblanco
Tyronedeblanco
11 years ago

As much as this guy is coming off as a D-bag, I hate seeing in house bickering. I don’t understand his latest attack on the TSP mint. With zero knowledge of these 2 (Rob and Chris), this seems like an issue between them 2. Why is TSP coins now part of the mix? It’s to bad both sides can’t square this away, this does nothing positive for either camp.

I heard what you had to say about Rob’s credibility and trust your knowledge of this drama. I can’t lie though, I’ll feel much better once I have those awesome homo-errotic long sword wielding sentinels in my hands……. : )

InBox485
11 years ago
Reply to  Tyronedeblanco

I can never have enough homo erotica…

InBox485
11 years ago

I’m pretty sure it is part of your page SEO, but your post links back to Episode 51. One of the comments caught my eye:

Matt Hundley | September 10, 2008 at 1:12 pm |

Wow. What a timely show Jack, Silver is trading at $10.87 as of this post. Now is a VERY good time to buy.
Keep up the good work, we are counting on you!
-Matt

Sean Kibler
11 years ago

Shortly after my order I think 159 away.

Angry Bob
Angry Bob
11 years ago

Jack
You friggin’ rock. Can’t wait to see them in the “flesh”!

John S.
John S.
11 years ago

+15, count is 4,918…82 to go, still didn’t get a receipt? But the system has them listed in my account.

InBox485
11 years ago
Reply to  John S.

Those recipes are auto generated emails. Either spam folder, or server melt down. Just screen shot the account order page and viola – your receipt.

John S.
John S.
11 years ago
Reply to  InBox485

Yea, that’s exactly what I have been doing, I am not worried about it as long as the system has my order all is good.

Derek
Derek
11 years ago

And we made it. Congrats and many thanks to Jack and everyone that purchased coins.

Kim
Kim
11 years ago
Reply to  Derek

Cool

Dirk
Dirk
11 years ago

Is it too late for me to get the copper round if I order by Sunday?

Kim
Kim
11 years ago

I hope this all works out smoothly.

Chris comes off as the butthead but in my experience sometimes those who look the most charming are just that….
to be more specific, does it legally matter if Chris Duane has not yet paid an artist? If he has a copyright, that doesn’t disappear without a legal change in copyright.
Whether he is ethically completely right is one thing….. but I just wonder if it was time for more deep breaths and sorting out legal matters.

Well, I do hope there is a resolution that can allow all to go forward. I am looking forward to the coins, not the conflict. All of us should be on the same page.

The New Mike
The New Mike
11 years ago
Reply to  Kim

To be honest whatever legal stuff that will happen will expose him one way or the other. These types of legal disputes have probably the most case precedent of them all. He either owns the stuff, or he doesn’t. My bet, is he doesn’t. Why? I don’t think a business would continue with designs if they thought otherwise.

The New Mike
The New Mike
11 years ago

Right. Obviously I personally don’t know the internals, but I can’t see how Chris is really standing on any ground whatsoever. Its about as whiny as it comes. And now he is basically calling Rob a socio/pyschopath and all sorts of other nonsense.

If you invest in a business, you generally can’t just pull out your investments, particularly if that wasn’t agreed upon. Everything Chris says reeks of nonsense, because there is no way that he entered in an agreement/partnership with Rob where the terms and rules were “I can take everything I want, whenever I want without notice, and must be immediately given to me.”

The New Mike
The New Mike
11 years ago
Reply to  The New Mike

Oh and one more thing. He is talking about the “silver community” and saying “they’re watching.” Go fuck yourself Chris. You don’t speak for me, or anybody else. Whatever “silver community” you speak about must be about as tenth grade as it gets. No, I’m not waiting to see the outcome of this for any reason. While I like Rob Gray, and highly support his efforts, as long as he provides me the product, as agreed, then I’ll purchase from him.

I don’t buy silver because I’m part of some ridiculous community, I buy it as a historically recognized hedge against central bank nonsense. I am starting to think Chris Duane, either is, or is turning into the socio/pyschopath that he claims everyone else is. This guy has (or has developed) a messiah like complex.

Paul
Paul
11 years ago
Reply to  The New Mike

I couldn’t agree more with you. As I’ve stated elsewhere: “…this is more than unsettling and worrying, especially coming from someone who claims to be able to identify psychopaths and toxic people.”

The New Mike
The New Mike
11 years ago
Reply to  The New Mike

@Paul
Is this one of those “takes one to know one” kinda deals?

Paul
Paul
11 years ago
Reply to  The New Mike

@The New Mike I guess so. I mean, we all make mistakes at some stage or another, that much is normal. However, what can be a telltale sign of a troubled mind, is when one refuses to admit that one has made a mistake. Maybe even more important, when one refuses to make peace or compromise to some extent, especially when it can turn into a win-win situation for all parties involved. Of course there are certain instances where it will be outright wrong to compromise, but I mean, why pull the ass out of the chicken if one can save the day by making peace with a personal enemy, especially if it will benefit decent people? I personally believe all of us have it in us to be socio/psychopaths, but of course we’ve got a choice to embrace light or darkness. I choose the former, but of course it remains a challenge. I am not perfect yet. 🙂

Kim
Kim
11 years ago

Jack, I’m sorry you are getting put in a position where you have to explain/defend the business end. I own a small corporation and agree the markup on these products is minimal.

In “moving forward” I was really just referring to going on with the business, and not letting anyone suck you into the verbal/typewritten banter that ultimately makes everyone look bad. Having this brought out into the public was bad not only for Chris and Rob but now has added you and how many others?

Even if he had been “right” about any of the issues, the public tantrum was not helpful. When I have problems with a vendor, the clients don’t need or want to hear every detail. They need to hear that I am looking out for them, and will change vendors if necessary. Chris instead tried to force the customer to direct their anger elsewhere; in other words he didn’t want to handle his part of the responsibility. That’s not good business even if it really is someone else’s fault, know what I mean?

Whatever the legal finality, you don’t have to defend yourself in my opinion. There are two aspects of how this concludes. In the legal arena, none of the blogging or none of our opinions make any difference. And in the issue of customer perception, the person who speaks honestly without throwing others under the bus will win the day.

When he starts insulting something as subjective as coin design, let him dig his own holes.

The New Mike
The New Mike
11 years ago

So with all the dumbassery of Yahoo I find this interesting.
If you are logged on you can see you have new emails from the yahoo main page (not inside email.) I hover over it and it shows you like the top 5 or so new emails in the inbox. When I hover over it I see the latest TSP update regarding the coins. I go to my inbox… its not there. Nowhere in there. So i go back to the main page, and click the email (which is still showing) when it tries to go to it, it doesn’t work.

I’m basically left with, Yahoo is a piece of shit email provider.

InBox485
11 years ago
Reply to  The New Mike

Yahoo is not just a POS, but the POS of email. They are also the only major provider that doesn’t allow free forwarding. If they did, nobody would still have an account with them.

Paul
Paul
11 years ago

Jack, you guys rock! It is just a pity that you don’t accept international orders yet. I would have loved to buy a couple of Sentinels. This being said, I went to my local coin dealer today and he sold me Constitutional silver at $18.40 per troy ounce. This is only because I’ve built up a solid business relationship with him. This shows the importance of having healthy relationships, because then the one hands truly washes the other.

Paul
Paul
11 years ago

Check the email communication between Chris Duane and Eddie Allen: http://dont-tread-on.me/?p=29291 Hell, is it me or is Chris full of himself?

Brian
11 years ago

This Chris guy is choice… he starts off his rant against the “Sentinel” by saying this….
“The latest attempt is based off of the homo erotic, violent movie 300.” WHAT THE ACTUAL F***? It is based off the HISTORICAL Battle of Thermopylae. Also what the hell would it matter if it was homoerotic? The rant of this guy reminds me of the guys that put up websites that you have to scroll for like 10 pages to tell you about their product that will change your lightbulbs and make you dinner while never having to pay for electricity ever again… this guy is a shyster period, this rant proves his lunacy. And how many times does this guy have to mention he was a Marine… no offense to anyone but Just because you were a Marine doesn’t mean your poop don’t stink, Marines CAN be A-Holes too.

magerlee
magerlee
11 years ago

This blog reeks of a salem witch trial. Everyone here seems convinced that Chris is in the Wrong and Rob is some Kind of Angel. I don’t know who is right or wrong in this dispute but that is why we have courts of law. Here are a few observations that are worth considering. If Rob has any of the creative impetus behind this endeavor why is he still using Duane’s videos/writings to promote the freedom girl and slave queen coins? If they were equal parties Rob has a commitment to follow through on his original agreements-such as only running the Slave Queen and Freedom girl coins for a limited run, which has already expired. What about the people who purchased with the idea of it being a limited edition, doesn’t his commitment to them count? Lastly if as according to Rob and Jack, Duane’s part was marketing and Rob’s was fulfilling orders orders, quality control and customer service then it seems like Rob’s part is the part that has been lacking. The amount of orders brought to the table that Duane’s efforts was second to none in the record of the Mulligan mint. I just called today and was told that the sentinels I just ordered were on a four week hold plus 10 day hold on the check not the fastest turn around in the industry as Rob stated in his previous video. The name calling seems a little immature on all sides but I just wanted to give a different perspective. Honestly I would be surprised if this comment showed up on your blog as the comments seem to be pretty one sided but I felt it needed to be said. Cheers

magerlee
magerlee
11 years ago

Well I was proven wrong, the comment showed up immediately, good for you and your listeners

magerlee
magerlee
11 years ago
Reply to  magerlee

Calling someone ignorant is not an answer to any of my points but when you don’t have a valid argument to stand on. I guess personal attacks are your method. I never claimed to be a lawyer and obviously you aren’t either. So you are trying to say that The Freedom girl artist Heidi was brought to Chris Duane through Rob? Just because you state it is so doesn’t make it so. In the words of John Adams, “Facts are stubborn things” so personal you attacking my character W/O addressing my points just proves the weakness of you argument.

Insidious
Insidious
11 years ago
Reply to  magerlee

@magerlee –
I wouldn’t take any of this personally. You’re walking into a conversation that’s pretty much already over. If you read through the many many comments, and listen to the portions of several podcasts addressing the situation, I think you’ll understand the curtness.

The issue is, when you’re a busy person, you get tired of explaining yourself to ‘the internet’, and at some point stop trying.

Even taking the time to re-restate your claims/arguments is too much. This horse is dead. Mighty dead. How it got that way is well documented if you’re interested, but I think the involved parties have tired of the rehash.

🙂

magerlee
magerlee
11 years ago
Reply to  Insidious

Fair enough, I’ve got better things to do anyway and I have faith in the end the truth will come out , adios

InBox485
11 years ago
Reply to  magerlee

You should ask Chris why he is censoring any comments about Johan Kirsten.