Episode-2257- Nicole Sauce on From Side Hustle to Full Time Gig — 8 Comments

  1. Always great to hear from Nicole!

    over analysis/doing everything themselves – I noticed at the TSP workshop I attended that the number of Myers-Briggs ‘rationals’ (INTP/ENTJ/ENTP/INTJ) was off the chart compared to their numbers within society. This group is KNOWN for over planning & believing that only they can ‘do it right’.

    • I am a classic ESTP this is considered the gold standard as an entrepreneur and creator, and you know what, well on some shit we suck.  We need to be surrounded by INTJs and INTPs, unfortunately we tend to hurt their feelings all the time, with no understanding of why.  Add Asperger’s to the mix and it gets really bad.  Like, “why the fuck are you crying, all I said was your forecast is based on fabrication and bullshit and to revise it” bad.

      When you get an INTJ or INTP like Nicole that breaks out of their limitations they are BETTER entrepreneurs then ESTPs an the like.  Because they are willing to leap like us but they are way better with details.

      ESTPs don’t do details, we just get shit going and if we fuck shit up we employ someone to fix it.

      We all have gifts and weaknesses.

      We have to add to this, there is a big difference between any personality type with a 85 vs. 100 vs. 120 vs. a 150 IQ.

      Then what part of that personality is innate, what part is created?  Some INxx types are really more an ES type innately, but due to not fitting in as kids, because they are always 5 steps ahead, easily get bored, etc. they adapt (especially smart ones) and become something different.

      It would be interesting to see someone like Nicole take the test today and see how it may have changed over the last say 10 years.  We are talking about a former leftist Oregonian socialist government school teacher that is now a raving bourbon drinking anarcho libertarian kicking ass and taking names in the premium coffee market while based in rural Tennessee!

      How real is this type of change, I took this in 10th grade and was told I was an ENTJ, yea really!  I guess even public school could not bury the E!  Little Army life, little walk on a trail, bit of the real world and the actual Jack emerged.

      I wonder if anyone ever did a study of peoples changes say from 16 to 25 to 40 on the same test.  I am sure some are steady as a rock but my gut is many change a LOT once the fantasy lands of grade school and college are left behind. Guess it depends on how much damage school and life to to a person though.

      • I think there’s a nature (hardware) reality, but a nurture/socialization overlay (software).

        I’m a hardware INTJ, but due to childhood circumstances, I needed to act as a guardian (ESFJ, ISFJ).

        A way I’ve seen to figure out your hardware is to notice/observe what activity/way of being is ‘effortless’ for you. This is particularly important for non-Guardians, as ‘socialization’ (in the government school sense) pretty much equals ‘training you to be a Guardian’.

        As Drucker points out in ‘Managing Oneself’, you’re going to get more mileage out of working on your strengths (going from good to great) instead of trying to improve your weaknesses (going from crappy to passable). To do that, you need to take inventory and figure out what your REAL strengths are.


        • Damn it you edited out the basketball hockey analogy, and  I had such a smart ass response to that one! ;>)

      • I should see if I still have my Birkman analysis done by a professional. she gave me the test twice before and after I started my most successful business enterprise and it did change. in major ways. though one thing stayed the same : I have a built in distaste for paperwork :).

        • It is much harder to hurt my feeling because I only have one left than it used to be…

  2. Tendency to over-plan… check. Usually thinking several steps ahead… check. Dislike relying on others and prefer to do things myself… check.

    The test says I’m an INTJ… and I at least have to say the description sure sounds like me. The comment Jack just made reminded me again of some of the similarities between the INT_ descriptions and the people diagnosed as having Asperger’s Syndrome… how much of Asperger’s is really an inborn ‘condition’ and how much is it either just a personality trait OR an individual’s response or coping mechanism to some of the less tolerant / more sociopathic facets of society, like public schools?