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Mel
Mel
4 years ago

The intro comments caused me to reflect.  I don’t like talking about myself, but it’s the only way I know how to say this – My walk with Christ has developed over several decades. My journey has been FAR from perfect.  I fail on a daily basis. However, when I finally (fully) committed myself to Christ, there truly was a “peace that surpasses all understanding”. Philippians 4:7. One must experience this; it cannot simply be explained.  In my youth, this kind of talk would have sounded crazy to me. I imagine to some who read this, it will.  I had to fully submit myself to Jesus before my mind was allowed to be opened to His Word and to what it really means to have a Christian worldview.  Never assume that God isn’t speaking.  He has never stopped!  God’s Word is timeless and sharper than any two-edged sword.

gman
gman
4 years ago
Reply to  Mel

jesus is quoted as saying “do not resist him who is evil”.  in a civilized environment (such as rome or old america) it seems possible to live this way.  in a lawless environment (such as we are entering) this comes across to me as simply suicidal.  how do you see this?

07Negative
07Negative
4 years ago

I know I’m slightly retarded. But I’m not seeing the link to the school you’re referring to. Sorry if I over looked it. Thanks for your work jack. I appreciate you.

John
John
4 years ago
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Nick in MNG
4 years ago

Here’s a scenario emphasizing how the plan of “let’s head into the area and defend against rioters!” is almost the definition of going into battle and THEN seeking to win.

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You and your buddies see the old downtown area is getting flooded with rioters and protesters, so you kit up and head on down. While there, a couple thugs throw bricks at you from a rooftop, badly injuring one of you and knocking another of you out cold. You and your remaining buddies each fire a few careful shots at them, killing one and driving the other away.

Justice done, right? Well, the guy who fled runs to the next block and tells the first bunch of protesters (ones that are largely just chanting and marching) they see about the guys who gunned down his friend in cold blood. A few of them are armed, and filled with the same kind of righteous anger and desire to protect that you and your buddies also have, rush in your direction to stop the mass shooting and save lives. You and your buddies see three people coming from around the block shooting at you, and you reflexively return fire. After it’s all over, a couple of the other guys are dead and one of your friends is dying, and you’ve been shot and need to go to the hospital.

1) Best case: Your dying friend is saved and after an expensive hospital stay & expensive court battle, you and and your remaining friends are acquitted of murder. But you do get a nation-wide reputation with a large segment of the population that would even make George Zimmerman go “damn, that’s rough!”. Also, you have to live knowing you killed two otherwise decent people due to a misunderstanding.

2) Medium case: All of the above applies, but after your acquittal another series of riots spring up in several major cities. You also have to fight the civil case that follows months later, and win or lose your finances are devastated.

3) Worst case: All of the above applies, but your friend dies of his wounds and you have a permanent crippling injury. You get convicted on some charges and have accept a plea deal to avoid a life sentence. You don’t become a free man or woman again for about a decade.

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Going into such a situation has so many more potential bad outcomes than good for yourself that it just doesn’t make good sense. The desire to just “do something” has to be tempered with more than just idealism. You have to have a clear vision of what the end result will be and a decent plan to get there. Otherwise, you’re little more than the armed equivalent of the “Underpants Gnomes” from South Park…

Justin
Justin
4 years ago

It’s very easy to show Joe Biden leading in the polls when you survey 35-40% Republicans. The headlines are the same, but if the polling service discloses party affiliation it’s easy to see the skew. I’ve read a few of these myself, but how many Americans would take the headline at face value? Trump is not wrong when he claims 96% approval within the Republican Party, or 51% overall approval.     As Spirko says, “Well, it depends.”

Nick in MNG
4 years ago

Lately I’ve been trying to think of what’s coming less in terms as the next Great Depression, and more as an event that is simply extreme & rapid change (maybe “The Great Shift”? “The Great Transformation”?). There’s almost certain to be elements very similar to the Great Depression… credit & debt collapse, mass unemployment, and a big downward move in class migration all seem already baked into the cake. But at the same time I think it will coincide with many societal changes and technological leaps, and with that will possibly be many more opportunities to adapt and even thrive than most people had 90 years ago. Of course, that doesn’t mean the majority will grab or even see said opportunities… only that the opportunities will exist.

I also suspect this will be compressed into less than a decade rather than 16 years. But I’m less certain about that, especially if there’s an massive cold/proxy war with China.

Steven B.
4 years ago

When you say get out of the cities, are you including the suburbs and surrounding areas of major cities as well, or just the downtown areas? What are you specifically meaning? 
Are there any cities you think are safer than others? For example, is Dallas or San Antonio safer than say Las Angeles or San Francisco? Or, do you think all cities are at risk, regardless of the state the city is in?

gman
gman
4 years ago
Reply to  Steven B.

“get out of the cities”

cities are where material power is concentrated.  if they are socialized, there will be nowhere to go.

gman
gman
4 years ago

“give me a scenario”

the rioters are a relative handful of noise makers, with almost all the media amplifying the noise.  what victory looks like is 1) the citizens recognizing this and organizing to respond, 2) voting in or creating new leadership backing existing law and civic authority to deal with organized rioting and looting and crime, and if necessary to create new/extended law and civic authority to do the same, and 3) enforcing it with the full expressed backing of the citizens (and perhaps their direct participation).  this is how civilizations act, have always acted, and will always act.

1 is well in progress.  2 is already happening.  3 is ready.

Insidious
Insidious
4 years ago

The ‘voting’ part made me LOL =p

Yes, people can retake RESPONSIBILITY for their own welfare and effect change via organized action.

That has NOTHING to do with ‘government’ & ‘voting’.

I read a LOT of history. I have yet to run into ANY change, in any civilization, where ‘The Citizens VOTED, and behold, CHANGE’.

Yes I understand that the political parties CLAIM such things…but it ain’t ever happened. Ever.

gman
gman
4 years ago

“Yes, people can retake RESPONSIBILITY for their own welfare and effect change via organized action.  That has NOTHING to do with ‘government’ & ‘voting’”

(nod)  so your organized action will have no voting as to what that action should be?  if some great leader arises who displaces voting perhaps this might work, but usually voting is disparaged because one thinks everyone will just up and agree (with them) making voting irrelevant – but that never happens.

yes, by voting, however done – by ballots, by show-of-hands, by popular acclaim on the steps of the forum, by whatever local warlord accumulates the most followers – but by voting, yes.

gman
gman
4 years ago

“The real enemy isn’t in the streets”

true.  but they are enemies.  and they are how “the real enemy” gets things done.

gman
gman
4 years ago

“uses troops as a decoy”

they are not merely decoys, they are effective.

(sun tzu talks about this, yang fluidly becoming yin and then becoming yang again)

gman
gman
4 years ago

“get out of the cities”

cities are where all material power is concentrated.  if the cities are taken and reformed into socialist entities, how will the countryside stand?

gman
gman
4 years ago

I’m not collectivist, I’m a citizen.

and I was hoping for an actual answer to the actual issue.

gman
gman
4 years ago
Reply to  gman

“I am not wet I am just covered in excess water”

yes, for libertarians/anarchists it’s all “me” and “you” and thus they are blind to any distinction between collectivist/citizen – it’s all “not me”.  but successful civilizations do distinguish.

cities are where all material power is concentrated.  if the cities are abandoned by citizens and are taken and reformed into socialist entities, how will the remaining countryside stand?

Nick in MNG
4 years ago
Reply to  gman

@gman-

I agree, the cities are where most material power is currently concentrated. But it doesn’t HAVE to be. When the people with material wealth choose to go where their money is treated better (and many are moving already), whatever new place(s) they go eventually will become the new hubs of financial activity. This won’t happen overnight, but I do expect within a decade we’ll see some surprising places emerge as new financial and tech hubs.

That said, I DO expect some big cities that are better managed and least taxed will weather the storm better and maybe even thrive. In some of those cities it may make sense to stay, depending on your career, lifestyle, and attachments. While Jack’s recent mantra is “get out of the cities”, I do remember him qualifying that statement with a similar clarification. But regardless, if whatever city you’re in now is already highly taxed and dealing with problems close to the level of Portland, Chicago, and New York, it’s not likely to get any better when things deteriorate further in the next 5 years. Sometimes you gotta pick your battles and know which battles are not worth fighting.

gman
gman
4 years ago

“the rest of the nation FEEDS THEM”

true, but that’s not a one-way street.  farmers need financing, fuel, and transport to produce food, and these all originate in the cities.

and it’s worse than that.  most rural areas are effectively banana republics, paying for themselves by producing one or two products that pay for everything else.  most rural areas do not produce their own fertilizer or shoes or firearms or medicines or tires or tools or combines or, well, anything.  all of that is produced in cities and imported to rural areas.

gman
gman
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick in MNG

“cities are where most material power is currently concentrated. But it doesn’t HAVE to be”

well, wealth is not just gold/silver/money, it’s community and productive capacity.  this requires aggregation of families and population and money and industry and education and transportation and everything else – and by the time all this is aggregated it’s another city.  a city is not just a temporary work camp of ronin workers living in barracks and globe-trotting money interests who all take flight at the first sign of discomfort, it’s a place where people set up lives and families and they won’t quit it willingly.  why duplicate this?  if  you’re going to set up a city somewhere else, why not work to keep the city you have?  because if you can’t keep the city you have you won’t be able to keep any other city elsewhere and you definitely won’t be able to keep the countryside around it.

“I DO expect some big cities that are better managed and least taxed will weather the storm better and maybe even thrive. In some of those cities it may make sense to stay”

I agree.  but I would suggest that the cities that are better managed and least taxed are so primarily because they are populated in the first place by people who are not going to cave and leave.  the way of the libertarian/anarchist is to search for a pre-existing city and move in to use it for as long as it lasts – the way of the citizen is to build the city and stay and keep it.

“Sometimes you gotta pick your battles and know which battles are not worth fighting”

sure.  but as sun tzu says, “on death ground, fight.”

Nick in MNG
4 years ago
Reply to  gman

First off, productive capacity and community are not as permanent as you let on. China lured away a huge chunk of US production in just two decades, and in many such areas the decline in community followed (big cities and smaller towns alike). This will happen again, only within the country and between states and cities.

Second, it doesn’t take a city full of completely unattached workers to see this flight… you act as if the only reason people move is because of money (there’s things like moving closer to one’s loved ones, starting a new family, career growth opportunities, wanting to live closer to nature, etc.). We moved away from Denver and to Mongolia in large part for examples #1,3, & 4 above. Sometimes the people you perceive as running away from something are actually chasing an opportunity for a better life.

Third, you present this as if every battle and war can be won (in terms of us ‘keeping the cities’), and at the same time you claim that if we DO leave some of these big cities we will automatically lose whatever place we relocate to. Not only are both absolutes and incorrect, but they also contradict each other.

Fourth, the vast majority are not “on the death ground”. At least not YET. There’s plenty of room for us to retreat or find a better place (however you want to frame it), and for some that move would vastly improve our lives. Sure it might be a lot more painful for some more than others, but for the vast majority it’s all simply a matter of how much you’re willing to pay to accomplish a given goal. If you want to put it in military terms, the general who never retreats and never changes his/her strategy is a shitty general. Not using the opportunity to give ground in order to accomplish larger objectives/priorities is foolhardy.

Lastly, this is purely my opinion but I think the battle for the spirit of SOME of these cities is already lost. For some maybe it can be rekindled at some later point, but likely not until the systemic breakdown has run its course. We have to be cognizant of the things we CAN and CANNOT control, and when larger forces we can’t control are running rampant, getting out of the way is often the best course of action.

gman
gman
4 years ago
Reply to  gman

“you act as if the only reason people move is because of money”

well what you said was “When the people with material wealth choose to go where their money is treated better” so I responded to that.

“things like moving closer to one’s loved ones, starting a new family, career growth opportunities, wanting to live closer to nature”

sure, and this always has been going on, both in and out of cities.  but now the much larger trend is outbound, because of money and security issues.  unfortunately in so doing they’re leaving behind the source of money and security, which is aggregated human effort and mutual support.  in avoiding the present problems rather than dealing with them they will indeed find residual sunset financial stability and security in some hidey-hole, but it won’t last long.

” you present this as if every battle and war can be won”

not every battle can be won.  but if you don’t fight at all you’ll lose the war.  and that is what our enemies are hoping – to win without serious fighting.  “you left.  it’s ours now.”

“the vast majority are not “on the death ground”. At least not YET. There’s plenty of room for us to retreat or find a better place ”

actually, we are.  citizens are being induced to retreat from exactly precisely what makes their nation function – the ones pushing this have thousands of years of experience and know exactly what they’re doing – into isolated private idahos where they can be dealt with in detail at leisure.

“the battle for the spirit of SOME of these cities is already lost”

a city’s spirit is determined by its denizens.  if the citizens leave, the ticks win.  if the citizens stay and man up and take charge, they can defeat the ticks.

(… mongolia?)

gman
gman
4 years ago
Reply to  gman

“Never by choice!”

no, of course not.  but we don’t.  some kill boxes are large and long-term.

now of course I say that as a citizen with a home and a nation.  for a libertarian/anarchist however this makes no sense whatsoever.  they’re like birds – alight when it’s advantageous, take flight when anything untoward approaches because there’s always someplace else to go.  but soon you’ll run out of places to land.

gman
gman
4 years ago
Reply to  gman

“YOU DON’T HAVE THESE CITIES”

the cities belong to whoever controls them …

“they have been socialist democrat run cities for as long as you have been alive”

… and the socialism there having matured and shown its full face, they’re ripe for a turnover.

“You sound like the guy who paid 300 dollars a share for Yahoo stock in 1999 still holding it”

stock in the united states of america.  and still holding, yes.

Nick in MNG
4 years ago
Reply to  gman

@gman-

Uh, you DO know that you were the first to mention material power, right? (-> “cities are where material power is concentrated.  if they are socialized, there will be nowhere to go”). But I guess deflection is easier than addressing my argument on the other reasons I gave why people move ?

“(… mongolia?)”

Yes, Mongolia (MNG is one abbreviation for it). We moved here a few years ago, not running from something but heading towards something. And we are happier than we were in Denver, even though we make much less money. Just think a bit on that and how it compares to absolutist statements equating “leaving the big cities = giving up”. If you see it only in that way, you are missing out on so much of the bigger picture.

Asron
4 years ago

Two things…

1. Scott Adams predicts 2021 being a tremendous year. He’s damn good at predictions. Jack is good at predicting things too. Two experts at prediction…I look forward to the seeing who predicts more accurately.
2. I’m having a child in April 2021. He or she will never step foot in a government school. We’ve got bigger plans for my child than to flounder in a broken system.

Nick in MNG
4 years ago
Reply to  Asron

I’ve had the same thought, and I think Scott Adams is a great source of ideas and new ways to look at the world. But at the same time, he’s much more focused on aspects of persuasion, testing ideas, and developing systems & ways of thinking that encourage success than he is on prediction. His prediction of 2021 being a tremendous year could be more about trying to encourage positivity about the future (so as to persuade individuals to be more receptive to the future opportunities that can improve their lives) than it is about simply predicting an outcome. Or it might be that it’ll be a sucky year overall but with a handful of really good opportunities (gold, cryptocurrency, rural/urban fringe real estate) for those willing & able to seize them.

While it’s not my base case, I can see how 2021 might turn out to be a tremendous year. But it’d be mostly just for those people and big companies closest to the QE/stimulus spigot, with the average person just sorta squeaking by via stimulus and boosted unemployment payments. Historically speaking, the first 2 or so years of ramped-up money printing tends to give the appearance of economic prosperity. It’s the years immediately following where currency crises take hold and things get bad all around.

Nick in MNG
4 years ago

Same; I don’t think the day of reckoning is likely to be held off much longer. Possibly dragged out painfully over a longer span of time, but not delayed. To be held off almost everything would have to go right… Covid-19 no longer a thing, smooth & uncontested election, employment #’s surge dramatically, rioting subsides, sudden rising optimism about the future… to make that a probable outcome.

But it doesn’t mean we can’t be positive about our own future, which I suspect is Scott Adams’ aim in making that casual prediction (positive mindsets over time tend to lead to positive outcomes). But hey, if he starts pushing that prediction with the same the repetition & conviction that he gave his 2016 Trump win prediction, then I’ll at least give that possibility more consideration. I don’t think he’s always (or even mostly) right, but so far his opinions and thoughts have always at least been worth a listen.

Insidious
Insidious
4 years ago

Your story about your grandson’s ‘school day’ makes me so happy.

THAT is the way a HUMAN child’s day needs to be.

Eat when you’re hungry, sleep when you’re tired, learn what interests you. ie. Freedom.

 

On your question as to what the schools are doing with your kids all day…I’ve been thinking lately that all of government can be summed up as:

PAY ATTENTION TO ME! I’M (VERY) IMPORTANT! (said while stomping your foot and tossing your head…think VERY petulant child)

Except this child has a gun, and ain’t afraid to use it to get the ‘attention’ it deserves. So how does this tie in to your question? The MORE IMPORTANT something is, the more resources you invest in it. Investment of time & money = how ‘important’ something is.

If you’re rational, you invest ‘enough’ into important things. But that’s not the way a CANCER works, for a cancer, it’s MOHR RESOURCES FOREVER. ie. If 8 hours a day of indoctrination is good, ten is better. If ten is better, fourteen would be EVEN BETTER…the only limit is the Parents hitting the wall and pushing back. Which apparently is 2-3 hours of home-indoctrination per day.

Insidious
Insidious
4 years ago

Vertical Farm v3.0

I like the clay balls concept. The corrugated plastic works, but it’s an inflexible system (you can’t change plant spacing based on type, or decide to swap to different net pot sizes without a new piece). It also makes me wonder if you could just do direct planting into the balls, particularly for things you’re trying to sprout. Or maybe even some root crops! =)

In the video it looks like you went to 1″(?) pipe for the overflow return. Is that due to the larger pump (more water volume)?

Much better way (cheaper/more flexible) way to connect the two reservoirs.

I also like moving the starts to the top tray. Generally most of it’s empty (can only eat so many microgreens) and I have them somewhere else taking up space, but there’s MORE than enough space to do them in the top tray.

My shallow tray also cracked at the bulkhead connector (after 7 days of operation, left review on Amazon). I glued a piece of 1/4″ plywood on the bottom and reinforced the top with some waterproofing tape (roofing supply). If anyone is building one of these from scratch, I’d suggest doing that at the beginning. I like the tray, but it’s too big IMO. If anyone knows about a half size one, that would be interesting. =)

Maybe do clay balls in shallow tray to reduce algae? Just dig out a hole when you put in sprouting trays or starts?

 

Unrelated, doing ten tomato plants with strings/clips and an adjustable (up/down) rack or lights (4’x6) in the garage. Want to see if I can get tomatoes all winter (also going to try cucumbers). Due to space constraints, put them in Kratky bins, but I may add a bubbler. We’ll see how it goes.

 

Insidious
Insidious
4 years ago
Reply to  Insidious

Sprouting directly in clay balls:

Was putting 2-3 seeds in plugs to ensure sprout, but with things like lettuce & tomatoes getting 100% germination. Rather than kill the ‘extra’ plants, I pull them out and stick them in a 2″ net pot with clay balls. Works great in v.1 vertical farm, but I have my water level touching the bottom of the net pots.

In v.3 seems like you could just stick them right in the tray.

Robert
Robert
4 years ago

Are you suggesting that America as we know it only has 4 years left if Donald Trump wins and Republicans take massive gains across the board?

gman
gman
4 years ago

“has been dead since 1913”

the dog doesn’t die the day the tick attaches to it.

could just get rid of the tick ….

gman
gman
4 years ago
Reply to  Robert

“America as we know it only has 4 years left if”

why four?

Archer
Archer
4 years ago
Reply to  Robert

If trump wins again, he’ll become emperor. End of the USA.

Stephen Wilkins
Stephen Wilkins
4 years ago

Jack, the reason you get 6 1/2 hours work of schoolwork done in under 2 hours of home school is because teachers spend so much time dealing with problem students. If you wanted to fix public education, you have to get rid of the students who don’t want to learn. School as we know it is a crime against children, not only does it rob them of so much of their childhood, it also robs them of creativity and curiosity, and turns them into cynics.   Another reason schooling is so any efficient is because we spoon feed education to our children, instead of teaching them how to learn for themselves, the best taught are self taught.

Stephen Wilkins
Stephen Wilkins
4 years ago

Jack, your aspergers is kicking in.  I am right, I was there.  It is a huge problem.  I subbed for two years while getting my certification (what a joke) in every kind of class you can imagine.  Student behavior was terrible everywhere, with one exception.  The school where all the very rich kids went.    I wasnt going to waste my life,so I went to private schools and quickly became principal.  We joked that we got more done by first recess (2 hours) than the school across the street did all day. Which is pretty much what you are observing.  There are other reasons: teachers themselves are very poorly educated,  they have low expectations,  the cheif goal for public schools being equity, not excellence.  Things have changed a lot since you were there.  The good teachers are quitting in droves because behavior is so bad.  So what do you think is the problem?

Nathan Kirby
Nathan Kirby
4 years ago

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/09/cdc-did-not-admit-only-6-of-recorded-deaths-from-covid-19/

Worth checking out in regards to false claims about covid deaths.

Nathan Kirby
Nathan Kirby
4 years ago

But it wasn’t. If you look at the charts and how it elaborates the other commodities you can clearly see it’s not “only those who were already dying”. If you don’t get your information form them, who do you get it from? I am not saying to just take the information and run, but clearly you shouldn’t just dismiss them like you dismiss everyone else who brings a point counter to yours.

John B.
John B.
4 years ago

I love your idea of just picking a day and opening ALL business’s up.  I was just thinking about this myself the past few days and how it would totally tie-up the court systems and/or entities tasked with enforcement.  I’m not a business owner or even employee for that matter, but I would definitely set that day aside to visit and spend money in all the “newly opened” business’s.