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Nathan
Nathan
3 years ago

Man, Creed was so hot for a while and then they just dropped off the face of the Earth.

David
David
3 years ago

Love the show, but I have to disagree with what you keep calling “facts” about the efficacy of the Covid Vacation.

A. Tbis is nit “new” per say, we have been working on this platform for 50 years.

B. This is not gene therapy, the science is elegant and with this, we can totally skip the step of growing virus and protein expression in lab which totally reduces over all time. Stop saying “gene therapy ” stop saying rushed. Name one gene that is being changed?

C. Yes, this is a novel Vacation, for a novel strain, as all have been however, the side effects have been overall very low.

D. No Vacation guarantees total immunity, everybody is difrent. The point is to reduce infections.

E. Its not just about YOUR survival of the infection. Every time someone gets infected, you increase the chance of viral mutations. Thats why you want to reduce infections and speed..

F. So my wife has PHDs in molecular biology biochemistry and is a director of immunogenity with a major cro actually running Covid assays and trials. And I have to listen to bs like this every day including “they are putting chips in vaccines ” whi is they? Name name? She works her ass of along with thousands of others. While people sit on the side lines talking crap about what they do not understand. And you think they make money off of or have a desire to spend decades in learning, to what ? Hurt people? Yea okay
Sorry for my tone but this crap is just to much. Greatest Trump triumph was getting the bs bureaucracy out of the way and now we have a vaccine and you are telling people is some sort of conspiracy. To what end?

G. This was not “rushed” through, no safty test or triles have been skipped. Please insted of listening quack MD’s who have absolutely no training or research experience in immunology or virology. Find someone who actually is in the field.

In all the time I have been listening to you this is the first time I totally disagree with you, and its only from my personal observation of the scientists working 20 hours a day to stop this virus from what it is truly capable of becoming.

Thanks for your time, please consider my words and forgive my poor texting abilities.

Bob
Bob
3 years ago

I’d think this guys wife is a PRIME candidate to come on and actual explain/refute/defend or whatever. People who want to educate and inform do that.

David
David
3 years ago
Reply to  Bob

Unfortunately. In the real world she can not. Legally she is bound to the CRO.

The possibility of acutualy having all the manufacturing Legally agree for to talk about this or any other therapeutics in assay service is remote to none.

And yes for me that is frustrating as obviously she is way past my knowledge level or the hosts nurse with with no formal education on the subject.

However with all the stupidity it the media regarding pharmaceutical science. I also do not blame them. Trying to put the truth out gets met with nothing but hostility from the tin hat echo chamber.

David
David
3 years ago

Your response is at best what i would expect from a child.. stop accusing people of being false arguments you can’t answer.

“No no no what i say is fact” without actually understanding any of what your are talking about.

Name one compound in the vaccine that has not been used in other vacancies and therapeutics?

Do you understanding the difference between RNA and DNA?

Do you understanding how protens work?

Name one vaccine that is 100% full profe?

Name one vaccine that does not have side effects? ” here is a clue, you are supposed to have an immune response/ some side effect. That’s how vaccines work.

Name one safety test that was skipped?

The rna vaccine is just that, it does not affect your DNA replication or change in any way the cell or cellular function, or gene function, you are simply introducing a very specificamount of rna and letting the cell do the work, letting the body do what is was built to do.

This is a much better technology then traditional methods. In fact what the hell do you think a traditional vaccine like the Johnson vac does when it introduces an attenuated or virus particulate into a person along with all the chemicals used for protection stabilizing. The technology is safer and requires less laboratory time (no incubation needed). Talk about irrational feer. Duh if you have no need to grow live cells to manufacture virus for vaccines, the process will be faster. Technology moves forward despite irrational fears not based in real science.

Biologically tell me how this vaccine negatively effect any cellular process and actually use data . You armchair opinions do not count as scientific “facts”

I get it, you don’t like being disagreed with, however you are dangerously misleading people with nonsense.

Insted of dismissing my questions how about actually answering a few.

Bob
Bob
3 years ago
Reply to  David

You have just explained about 1000% more than an entire year of major media. And that isn’t nearly enough.

Nick in MNG
3 years ago
Reply to  David

@David

One can make a case that accelerating the timeline (if you prefer that to the term ‘rushed’) may have been deemed necessary given the circumstances, but how can we honestly say these vaccines are seeing the same length & duration of testing that vaccines traditionally get? As per the link below, Phase 2 clinical trials (assessing safety & immune response) have traditionally been conducted over 2-3 years, and Phase 3 clinical trials (assessing safety & efficacy) traditionally conducted over 2-4 years. Those timelines are independent of any of the manufacturing and regulatory approval processes.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/timeline

With time comes greater certainty and better information. Again, accelerating MAY have been a reasonable call given the circumstances, but let’s not fool ourselves into assuming we have more & better information & data than we actually do…

Bob
Bob
3 years ago
Reply to  David

I did not entirely agree with Jack’s “truth” either. But I also do not agree with this poster either.

My BIGGEST problem is that there are a lot of unknown issues out there. As a scientist (PhD) I want someone to actually explain what was supposed to happen and how it happened faster than ever before. I want someone to explain pro’s and cons of the protein production via mRNA approach. There clearly are both.

But a lot of what I get is “I’m just not explaining it” or “You are just wrong”. I’m really intelligent, highly educated, and patient. I will say at least Jack is making the offer. I can see super cautious prepare guy being overly concerned. I can also see immune-whateverologist having their head so far in the molecular weeds they miss the point.

But as said – Jack offered the opportunity, and he/she appears to be passing…interesting.

David
David
3 years ago
Reply to  David

Your response is at best what i would expect from a child.. stop accusing people of being false arguments you can’t answer.

“No no no what i say is fact” without actually understanding any of what your are talking about.

Name one compound in the vaccine that has not been used in other vacancies and therapeutics?

Do you understanding the difference between RNA and DNA?

Do you understanding how protens work?

Name one vaccine that is 100% full profe?

Name one vaccine that does not have side effects? ” here is a clue, you are supposed to have an immune response/ some side effect. That’s how vaccines work.

Name one safety test that was skipped?

The rna vaccine is just that, it does not affect your DNA replication or change in any way the cell or cellular function, or gene function, you are simply introducing a very specificamount of rna and letting the cell do the work, letting the body do what is was built to do.

This is a much better technology then traditional methods. In fact what the hell do you think a traditional vaccine like the Johnson vac does when it introduces an attenuated or virus particulate into a person along with all the chemicals used for protection stabilizing. The technology is safer and requires less laboratory time (no incubation needed). Talk about irrational feer. Duh if you have no need to grow live cells to manufacture virus for vaccines, the process will be faster. Technology moves forward despite irrational fears not based in real science.

Biologically tell me how this vaccine negatively effect any cellular process and actually use data . You armchair opinions do not count as scientific “facts”

I get it, you don’t like being disagreed with, however you are dangerously misleading people with nonsense.

Insted of dismissing my questions how about actually answering a few.

Also, you use you brother and freinds constantly in your bull shit analogies, my actual use of my wife as a credible resource is legitimate and did not require you asinine insult.

I will not be responding to anymore of your insulting replies. Enjoy your echo chamber.

David
David
3 years ago

didn’t think you could honestly reply.

We don’t do that with the flue vaccine.

Good day sir

David
David
3 years ago

NIHI then, you condensing insults aside, same rules applied as again we have had this technique for about 50 years.

And again when did insay the yearly vacation or any vacation was 100%?

I said the very opposite, if you could stop acting like a child for just a moment you would have seen that.

I, also as a side not have never gotten the flu vaccine.

David
David
3 years ago
Reply to  David

furthermore I never and also pointed out I am not a “super science guy” that obviously is the role who have granted on yourself.

I get the fact you are incapable of a civilized adult conversation.

Grow up!

Nick in MNG
3 years ago

I thought the official statements about the vaccines were saying they couldn’t definitively PROVE yet that it prevents the majority of infection or the ability to spread (one can presume said in part to cover their butts, and partly just to keep us afraid). Wouldn’t this be a subtle but important difference from them stating the vaccines do NOT prevent infection or transmission? If they actually did say the former, I’d like to know who said it and when. The CDC seems to claim otherwise (of course we’re just comparing their CLAIMS and STATEMENTS here and not the actual level of effectiveness which only time will tell): https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effectiveness/work.html

But regardless of that, it doesn’t change my approach to these vaccines which is similar to yours… given my circumstances and what we know and what we don’t, the risk management analysis just doesn’t make taking any of the vaccines a worthwhile trade-off for me. At least not at this time; as we get better information then I will re-evaluate. And should I change my mind, I also would lean away from the mRNA vaccines. I’d sooner take the Russian Sputnik V vaccine over those, which like the J&J and Astrazeneca/Oxford vaccines are based on a more proven method (adenovirus vector). Still not a guarantee of safety, but at least there are less unknowns involved. I think one or more of the Chinese vaccines are based on the even older inactivated virus vaccine method. But I trust China even less than Big Pharma, which is saying something.

Lastly, do you have a link to the law or regulation prohibiting approval or use of vaccines for a readily treatable or curable disease/condition? I can’t seem to find it, and am not sure if my google-fu is weak or if this is purposely being memory-holed and made difficult to find. I had already been operating on the assumption Big Pharma and the sickcare industry pushed to marginalize HCQ and Ivermectin just to sell more vaccines. But if you’re right then they had an even greater incentive to do so, i.e. the difference between getting to sell less vaccine or not being able to sell any AT ALL. Oof…

Bob
Bob
3 years ago

Why the fertility deal? What is that about?

Nick in MNG
3 years ago

I don’t feel confident enough in my knowledge to assign that kind of probability to any of those. But I certainly wouldn’t bet AGAINST any of them happening (common sense pointing to #3 & 4 especially). Yet we’re criticized for even entertaining the concept, much less acting on these concerns. How bizarre of a contradiction is it that fear is being seen as a virtue at the same time caution is being considered a sin?

In a weird way I’m glad Mongolia’s finances and infrastructure are too “underdeveloped” to make widespread application of the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines feasible here. I’m not convinced of the long term safety of all the adenovirus vector vaccines being sent here from Russia and Astrazeneca either, but at least they’re more of a known quantity. Not enough to make me take a chance on them (not yet), but perhaps it will at least equate to fewer here suffering any unnecessary long term side effects they don’t have the finances to treat.

Ariel McGlothin
3 years ago
Reply to  Nick in MNG

Nick, in reference to “stating the vaccines do NOT prevent infection or transmission” and who said it, Fauci did in this interview – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMadq_x0TeA Probably he and other people said the same thing in other places too, but that’s one I had just listened to. 🙂

Hraz
Hraz
3 years ago

Great show. I’m not seeing any copper in the zinc you recommended.

surfivor
surfivor
3 years ago

It is gene therapy yes ..

The facts point to a kind of propaganda conspiracy which people simply can not accept so they believe what they are told

smallpox is about the only vaccine that seems hard to easily question, I am not sure about polio ..

Bob
Bob
3 years ago

Jack – loved the show. exactly what executive order changed the definition of vaccine?

Brandon Enos
Brandon Enos
3 years ago

Question about Vitamin D3, though no worries if this goes beyond what you can answer legally.

Why three times a day and why in the evening? And why K2 with Vitamin D3 instead of separated?

I ask because of all the advice I’ve seen, even from those who recommend higher (albeit, not 30,000IUs) doses is to take Vitamin D3 in the AM, or as early as possible, because of it’s potential to interact/interfere with Melatonin and then, theoretically sleep. In thoughts on this? I didn’t see anything about timing in Dr. Somerville’s book.

As far as K2, I do not know reasons why, but the advice I have seen online is to take K2 in the evening, far away from Vitamin D3.

Thanks

David
David
3 years ago

So without insults, please explain why all the scientists, including my phd wife who actually worked on the vaccines. Unlike your nurse who has no formal education in vaccines or experience in any pharmaceutical development of any kind. And no sir that is not a “fallacy ”

Are all getting the vaccine?

If they are all, thousands of them in on your conspiracy… why did both my wife and I get the vaccine?

TomFromFL
TomFromFL
3 years ago
Reply to  David

@Dave
I thought you said you were no longer responding? I only ask cause I took the popcorn out of the microwave and I was wondering if I should put it back in?

thanks in advance

David
David
3 years ago
Reply to  TomFromFL

Typical

David
David
3 years ago

I AM NOT THE ONE TALKING SHIT!

I gave you my experience as a spouse of someone who is in the field.

I also pointed out why I can’t legally have a formal online debate. I also specifically pointed out the wife and I and the people she works with are all vaccinated.

My internet was not to get into a pissing match of insults and f boxes back and forth with you. I simply pointed out the reality of what I have been exposed to.

You have offered nothing to change the facts. Vaccines have proven to have a low level of side effects, have been extremely successful. No I do not believe in mandatory vaccinations.

Take it or leve it, obviously you are determined to make this personal. But it changes nothing . Live I said, the people who have developed this technique have overwhelming received the vaccine without hesitation. The platform is safe and the technology is sound.

Who would a failure of the vaccine actually profit? Certainly not the pharmaceutical companies who created it it. Trumps staff got it. No issues

Say what you will, but obviously, it is working just fine and the more who do get the vaccine. The faster we will win.

Is it guaranteed, no, nothing ever is. But the rewards greatly out way the risks.

David
David
3 years ago

“There is likely a reason your wife can’t but NONE you can’t so long as you don’t invoke her name.”

When did I ever “invole” her name?

What’s her name?

Not everyone is dishonest by default, stop projecting.

I am sorry you can’t understand why I will not run the risk of putting her career at risk.

Tommy
Tommy
3 years ago

Jack, I would enjoy watching you debate Matt Dillahunty on this. He is in Austin and debates constantly on YouTube, a host on the Atheist Experience. I have no connections sadly but would enjoy the back and forth.

TomFromFL
TomFromFL
3 years ago
Reply to  David

@David

more seriously — “Are all getting the vaccine?”

they are not all getting it — I think last I saw about 33% said they were not confident in the testing of the “vaccines” and about 16% I think said they would quit if it was made mandatory

David
David
3 years ago
Reply to  TomFromFL

as is I said, my wife’s lab. You shouldn’t blindly believe everything on the internet.

I never have nor never will support mandatory vacation.

33% you “think” yea okay. But 66% do, I can see the winning side here.

TomFromFL
TomFromFL
3 years ago
Reply to  David

“as is I said, my wife’s lab.” – that wasn’t clear, my apologies it is now

“You shouldn’t blindly believe everything on the internet.” – then I don’t believe everyone in your wife’s lab was vaccinated cause I read it on the internet

“I never have nor never will support mandatory vacation.” — ok?

“33% you “think” yea okay. But 66% do, I can see the winning side here.” — trying to recall a recent poll of health care workers, you can google that shit for yourself. Just because a larger percentage are choosing to receive it doesn’t negate the fact that people in the industry have concerns.

by the way, for a guy that said he is not going to reply any more — you sure do reply a lot .. watch how it is done … buh-bye

Karen
Karen
3 years ago

Quercetin dosage question: In the past you’ve said 500mg quercetin w/zinc twice a day. Here you mentioned 250mg twice a day, but the product recommended contains 500mg. Is the 250mg a typo?

TomFromFL
TomFromFL
3 years ago
Reply to  Karen

he mentions in the show that he reduced his usage over time. After taking it for some time you need less on a daily basis to maintain.

Karen
Karen
3 years ago

That was my problem. The ones I’m using are 500mg each capsule. Didn’t realize the one recommended was 250mg. I’ll use up what I have and then switch. Thanks!

surfivor
surfivor
3 years ago

Jack,

I am not really sure on Polio .. There is a claim about a connection between polio and DDT that seems worthy of further investigation. Many polio vaccines where also known to be contaminated with viruses

This is still going on even today but seems to have happened many times in the past as well

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/un-says-new-polio-outbreak-in-sudan-caused-by-oral-vaccine/2020/09/02/2da5cf4e-ecf9-11ea-bd08-1b10132b458f_story.html

UN says new polio outbreak in Sudan caused by oral vaccine

surfivor
surfivor
3 years ago

This was also a concern among scientists regarding AIDS because the same process is used for vaccines in Africa and AIDS was connected to Monkeys and they used monkey kidneys to make the vaccine. I saw a documentary that said that they did not need to use monkey kidneys but they kept doing it anyway even after contamination concerns arose from actual cases of contamination

https://www.nature.com/articles/1207877

In 1960, it was discovered that Simian Virus 40 (SV40) contaminated up to 30% of the poliovirus vaccines in the US. This contamination arose because the vaccines were produced in monkey kidney cell cultures harboring SV40 between 1955 and 1963. During this period, approximately 90% of children and 60% of adults in the USA were inoculated for polio and possibly exposed to SV40.

surfivor
surfivor
3 years ago

yes, I think when I was researching it I found that Polio was much more common during the modern age. There where graphs that claimed an extremely close correlation between DDT use and polio cases so perhaps it could be related to such environmental contaminants and similar things but I don’t really know, I just doubt many things that they claim because it often turns out that many things we are told have alternate explanations. There has been quite a bit written on that correlation with DDT

Chris
Chris
3 years ago

Just wondering why you stopped taking selenium and green tea extract,I seem to remember a few months ago you were

Chris
Chris
3 years ago

Makes sense,Thanks Jack!