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dustin
dustin
9 years ago

Jack, as a anarchist, I think it is important to realize that there are 2 main types of anarchist, anarchocapitalist (ancap) and anarchocommunist (ancom). They are different in their belief in what anarchy is in practice. I don’t want to put labels on you, but listening everyday I would say you fall ancap (as do i) but hemming way would fall ancom.

dustin
dustin
9 years ago

The ancoms always argue that they were there first and that american libertarianism cooped their term and there is a visible disgust with them about this point. I would agree that the ancoms are usually statist, Marx being the prime example, however you are wrong that there is no divide, there most certainly is. I guess it is just how one defines oneself. Ancoms could live within an ancap society but ancap sect would not be allowed to live within a ancom society. Which to me would invalidate that society as being anarchy, but I haven’t had any success using logic with ancoms, so I just agree to disagree with them, and go do something productive and capitalistic.

Ethan L.
Ethan L.
9 years ago

Funny thing about anarchism is that people generally believes it to be an absence of something – a deficiency that require filling or repairing. Two people trading with each other in mutual agreement is the most basic form of government, it is one of assistance and mutual gain. People tend to see the problem as the solution. To simplify that, it is to say that the Fed IRP cannot make a fruit tree grow faster, or that another war will make our country stronger.

Once we go from the few to the many to the most, we delude ourselves into thinking that a larger group requires larger action, when that simple mutual gain model can still be just as efficient. It’s when we hand our power over to others in order to keep those more complicated ‘solutions’ from interfering with us, that’s when we find ourselves in the current predicament.

And about 90% of people that I say that to would disagree. Then would come the ‘but what if?’ or ‘but we need to be safe from…’ replies. At that point, the conversation becomes mute. We have completely different ideas from each other and no solutions are possible because we cannot even agree what is the problem. The problem isn’t the machine, as the machine is designed by the people.

The problem is the people themselves. That includes me. I’m part of the problem. You are part of the problem. We are part of the problem. It’s time for us to start picking the trash up in our own yards rather than complaining to our neighbor about the tall grass in his.

andrew aka stash
andrew aka stash
9 years ago
Reply to  Ethan L.

fed irp??

Ethan L.
Ethan L.
9 years ago

Fed Interest Rate Policy

horatio
horatio
9 years ago

I want to burn down a house after being told not to a few years ago.

I have a old house on some property out in a kind of rural area. I asked permission from the fire dept to burn it down about 6 years ago and they said no, because it might have asbestos. What would you recommend I do?

My thinking is to just push it over and pour a few gallons of gas and set fire. but I do not know the consequences of doing that.

thanks

cal
cal
9 years ago
Reply to  horatio

Market it as free materials to repurpose on Craigslist and have a bunch of tiny home hipsters come and dismantle it for you. Burning garbage shares your VOCs with the world. Might want to warn the hipsters about asbestos, though.

Tina Paxton
9 years ago
Reply to  horatio

Did you ask the Fire Dept if they would like to burn it as a training op? That is what a church I was secretary at in Northern Virginia did. The FD was happy to use it and.. poof, it was gone.

UnentitledMillennial
9 years ago
Reply to  horatio

If you do burn it, you still have to let the fire department know you’re having a “huge bonfire,” so they don’t show up and charge you a bunch of money for showing up.

Grover
Grover
9 years ago
Reply to  horatio

It is easier to ask forgiveness than it is to ask permission.

Ed Rollins
Ed Rollins
9 years ago

jack, I anticipated a whole lot more response to this episode. The lack of which, I think, shows the depth that you have shoved all of us into deep thought and introspection. Your tenor and argument is spot on and I am humbled once again by your insight. As both an anarchist and a permaculturist, I am now closer and clearer in my goals and ambitions. Thank you.

Ethan L.
Ethan L.
9 years ago
Reply to  Ed Rollins

Agreed. There’s tons of people out there that offer advice on what to do or how to do something. It’s nice once in a while to get some suggestions or thoughts on WHY we do something. Why… a question we don’t ask ourselves enough these days.

I know some people don’t like these heady episodes from Jack, but I appreciate them. It’s nice to keep things in perspective.

Ed Rollins
Ed Rollins
9 years ago
Reply to  Ethan L.

Thank you Ethan L. The Why question has always been my paramount.

(The New) Mike Cornwell
Reply to  Ethan L.

After having posted here fairly regularly for the last 3 years, certain podcasts just seem to not bring in a lot of comments. Unsurprisingly the ones that bring in the most are the most “controversial”.

Jorja Hernandez
Jorja Hernandez
9 years ago

Henley’s ‘The Last Resort’ is the perfect tune to end this episode.

MichiganNimrod
MichiganNimrod
9 years ago

Wow. A long time listener and I have not doubt this will be one of the greats.

Hope things are well Jack.

Jon Storvick
Jon Storvick
9 years ago

This was a bangin’ episode, Jack. I came at it from the other end – decided I was an anarchist in my teens, confirmed it in my twenties, got into permaculture in my mid-late twenties… took my PDC at 30 – in which Dave Jacke started talking about anarchism, and suddenly my whole life made that much more sense 🙂 Permaculture truly is anarchism in action.

Jon Storvick
Jon Storvick
9 years ago

Yeah, I’ve been following that (and eating a bunch of popcorn). It’s always interesting to see how personalities differ. Dave’s a great guy with a big heart – and has been a great friend as well as a great mentor. I think he’s definitely stuck on the left side of things, though he’s got at least somewhat of an anarchist bent. I’ll have to see if I can dig up the anarchist stuff I got in my PDC binder and send it your way.

Matt Powers
9 years ago

I CERTAINLY HOPE SO!!!!!
(my response to title of podcast)

UnentitledMillennial
9 years ago

I read the title and I was like “well… duh of course it does”

Tina Paxton
9 years ago

You continue to make me think. See, I was happy being a libertarian but now I realize I’m more anarchist than I thought. Of course, part of the problem is that I misunderstood what an anarchist *is*. My concept of anarchism was burning down buildings and destroying everything while mooching off society rather than earn one’s way. So, thanks for teaching me what anarchism really is and rocking my self-concept –AGAIN.

Tina Paxton
9 years ago

I’ve been holding my nose and voting Republican for years…mostly from family and church pressure to do so. But, I’m tired of “voting for the least of two evils” because it just means I’m voting for evil. I’m going through more than one paradigm shift lately to say the least. I hope you are happy! 😉

Bruno B Garcia
Bruno B Garcia
9 years ago

i started to become an anarchist when i started to try to aply permaculture design to nuclear energy, very fast i found that all perseved problems were not inherent to nuclear problem but straw man problems created by state

Grover
Grover
9 years ago

Jack,
Voluntary Association + Mutual Cooperation + 110% Personal Responsibility = 100% Individual Liberty or Anarchy.
Consider everyday Anarchy. How many people you know that volunteer in their communities, Volunteer Firefighters. EMT’s, and the many others that volunteer because it’s they feel it’s the right thing to do, not forced to do it. Most productive in dividuals are practicing everyday Anarchy. Anarchy = “Rules not Rulers”, “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”.
https://freedomainradio.com/free/#ea “Everyday Anarchy: The Freedom of Now”

Grover
Grover
9 years ago

For your consideration.

Everyday Anarchy
http://www.strike-the-root.com/81/molyneux/molyneux2.html

JimM1911A1
JimM1911A1
9 years ago

Great show Jack and always thought provoking. You have done more to push me towards freedom than anyone else. Much appreciated.

Jim

G
G
9 years ago

anarchism leads to permaculture. ;~)

Alex Pope
Alex Pope
9 years ago

Funny how life works out. Jumped in my truck yesterday morning head to work, with the plan to pick up 24 quail chicks after work. Then bring them home to my house in a hoa that dose not look to kindly on birds. Guess this counts as an anarchist action

Ric
Ric
9 years ago

“Freedom is something the requires morality. To have freedom you have to have morality, and not your version thereof. Universal morality [1:10:40].” Jack, I agree, however, what basis or justification do you give for your belief in universal morality?

voluntaryfree
voluntaryfree
9 years ago

Thanks I learned a lot from you in this podcast.

In short I did a PDC 6 years ago in Holland, stoped working for the system moved to rural area.

I read “The most Dangerous Superstition” by Larken Rose 1.5 year ago and everything really became clear, this was what I’ve been looking for. (I dare to say since I was young)

I think permaculture was part of my process. But I think it comes through many way’s.

Again thank you for sharing your knowledge. Keep up the good work.

Peace