Episode-584- The Patriot Nurse Joins Us on TSP — 23 Comments

  1. GREAT to see the Patriot Nurse on TSP!

    Love her work on YouTube and been watching her for a while.

  2. Great show today Jack. I have been a subscriber to PN’s YouTube Channel for a while and was pleased to hear the conversation with her today. She is a special person and provides great information.

  3. On the diabetes treatment issue, I’ve also heard that something can be made from cactus to take in place of insulin. I’m not sure how effective but it may be something to look into.

  4. The theory of concentrating toxins as it goes up the food chain isn’t wrong, but it is an oversimplification. If one animal eats and absorbs the entire plant/animal and the toxin isn’t synthesized, then the theory holds true. The two big concepts not considered are pharmakinetics and metabolization. Particularly when the chain goes from plant to animal, and when the chain goes from animals that eat the entire organism to animals that only eat portions, there are barriers to the toxins. I’ve always railed on eating liver and kidneys for this reason.

    On the bleach idea. I came across an idea a while back. Instead of trying to store bleach which looses it’s potency over relatively short periods of storage, store pool shock in dry form and dilute with water as needed. It reduces the shelf space and increases the shelf life.

    The final thought on not going to the doctor for every scraped knee was spot on. I’ve pretty much learned from mentors and personal experience that going to a doctor will almost always result in damage that could have been prevented if you knew how to treat yourself. Most doctors are absolutely brilliant in a class room, and if you give them a set of issues they can regurgitate the exact same answer you can find yourself on webMD. Unfortunately they spend 12 years memorizing what pill fixes what issue, and haven’t given a thought to general health since 9th grade health class. Medicine in general is the most universal example of intellectual inbreeding in existence.

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  6. Good conversation. I do agree that many in the prepper community is long on equipment and short on experience. I am a former paramedic and feel that the most likely situations encountered will not be traumatic injuries from combat could but overuse injuries, fractures, infections and disease. It fairly likely many folks used to the sedentary lifestyle will get out and perform hard physical labor, resulting in injuries.

    I’m a former paramedic and have a good background and experience in field medicine. Basic EMT would be a great foundation for those interested, but I think the best bang for the time invested for most would be a first responder course. If you wish to increase your knowledge of what to do in emergency check for a course in your area. Better yet, there are at least two organizations that are offering a wilderness medical education in first aid, first responder, or EMT. There is one organization that teaches a three day medical course designed for the layman in austere medical situations. This organization also hosts a dental course, taught by a dentist. These courses, in addition to first responder, would give the survivalist a huge advantage if they encounter a medical scenario post-SHTF.

      • Brand new here, so I hope I am not violating any kinds of service terms. I have no affiliation with any of these entities. is the entity that offers the Austere medical course. and offer the wilderness first responder/wilderness EMT courses. My understanding is even the American Red Cross is coming out with a wilderness first aid, which should be better than standard first aid where professional help is assumed to be readily available.

        • From the Red Cross website:

          Training for Emergencies in Wilderness and Remote Environments

          Whether you’re a scout, an outdoor enthusiast or you work in a remote environment, our Wilderness and Remote First Aid course gives you the skills you need to respond to an emergency when help may be delayed.

          Topics include:

          Primary and Secondary Assessments
          Head (Brain), Neck and Spinal Injuries
          Heat-Related Emergencies and Hypothermia
          Altitude-Related Illnesses, Allergies and Anaphylaxis
          Bone and Joint Injuries and Burns
          Wounds and Wound Infection

          The course is based on the Boy Scouts of America Wilderness First Aid Curriculum and Doctrine Guidelines and offers enhanced content and topics to meet OSHA’s Best Practices for Workplace First Aid Training Programs. The program offers flexibility for organizations and their instructors to adapt the course to varying environments.

  7. Important to note that the use of guaifenesin is best used only when you have a productive cough ( you are hacking stuff up). Also if you have a productive cough I would recommend against using an antitussive except in the evening before bed. If you are have a productive cough and taking medication to thin out the mucus to cough it up, you don’t want to take a medication which will suppress your body’s way of getting the mucus out. Another important thing to remember is that another way to thin mucus is to drink plenty of water if at all possible. Also I researched the red head need more pain meds, and found that they need ~20% more anesthesia and possibly peripherally acting agents as well (i.e. bupivacaine or lidocaine) Here is a link to an article I couldn’t find anything about narcotics, just let everybody know in case they have a redhead in their group and heard this and decided if the need arises they would give an opioid naive person a double dose of the Vicodin they have laying around.
    Also if you guys watch Patriot Nurses video on intramuscular injections please note there are limits on the volumes you can give per injection site (I watched the video but didn’t see any mention of this) A great children’s medical resource I would recommend for dosing of drugs and various other medical topics is the Harriet Lane handbook.
    Just my .02, overall great show.

  8. Thanks for a great show Jack. You made mention of diabetics mentioning the storage life of insulin as 60 days. I’m an insulin dependent type 2 diabetic and got a chance to test this in the last 4 years. I have insulin that is working fine in me – no difference compared to new, that is three years old. I’m shooting Humalog and Lantus, and Lantus is supposed to be the most fragile.
    Besides the obvious self interest that the drug companies have in having you throw away insulin every 30 days (after popping the cap off), perhaps this short storage time is to protect against litigation in case of poor storage conditions.
    I store at 38F degrees, in the dark, leaving the vials in the box. R and N should store even longer, but I have not tested them, though I will soon as I’m switching to them because of cost and plan to keep at least two years on hand at all times.

    Thanks for your daily efforts in our behalf.

  9. @Ethan Church

    Thanks for the info but I was speaking more about my understanding of how much you can get your hands on to store, not the storage life. My understanding, please correct me if I am wrong, is that getting more than 60 days of supply is difficult if not impossible to do.

  10. Again Regarding insulin: You can buy R and N, two common human insulins available without prescription in whatever quantity you like from Walmart at about $25/1000unit bottle. If a pharmacist should object at asking for five of each (R and N – different durations) for instance, you could simply go to another Walmart and buy the remainder.
    In my case, I currently use Lantus and Humalog, which are modified human insulins that are patented and prescription only (thus allowing drug companies to circumvent the intent of the rule that insulin should remain non prescription). I wanted more than the three month supply normally prescribed so I simply asked my doctor if I could have scripts for more so that I could build up a reserve for when my insurance would be gone due to forced retirement. She said sure.
    If one should have an ethical difficulty with asking a doc to help you out, then just buy R or N and change your shooting schedule. R and N aren’t as easy to use (for me) compared to Lantus and Humalog, but not that hard either (especially compared to being dead without insulin).
    In a collapse most diabetics can shoot ANY kind of insulin as long as they understand the strength and duration – and adjust their eating to match.

  11. Awesome show. This will be added to the list of TSP shows I keep on hand to “convert” my friends to listeners. Thanks.

  12. In response to the cinnamon thing. Ceylon Cinnamon is regarded to true cinnamon. Some of the substitutes that may be marketed as cinnamon. Cassia powder is not true cinnamon. Korintje cinnamon is an Indonesian cinnamon. I’m not sure if the cassia will promote intravascular health or benefit diabetics. But its the non-true cinnamon I think you were thinking of Jack.

  13. I also agree that an EMT course would be the best way to go for a first or only training. Provider level CPR with experience with medical and trauma patients would go far. Most of these classes may be found at your local community college. BTW – great show Jack. Didn’t know about The Patriot Nurse til now. Gonna give her videos a look.

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