Episode-1637- Doc Bones and Nurse Amy on Fish Antibiotics for Collapse Medicine
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Joe Alton, M.D., aka Dr. Bones, is an M.D. and fellow of the American College of Surgeons and the American College of OB/GYN. Amy Alton, A.R.N.P., aka Nurse Amy, is an Advanced Registered Nurse Practitioner.
Together, they’re the authors of the #1 Amazon bestseller in Survival Skills and Safety/First Aid “The Survival Medicine Handbook”.
They are also well known speakers across the country, podcasters, and YouTubers, as well as contributors to leading survival/homesteading magazines. You will find over 700 posts on medical preparedness on their website, doomandbloom.net.
Their mission is: To put a medically prepared person in every family for disaster situations. Today they join us to discuss the truth about fish antibiotics for emergency use and myths about drug expiration dates.
Join Us Today To Discuss…
- What is the difference between fish antibiotics and human medications
- How we know that fish antibiotics are actually the same as human antibiotics
- Are there animal antibiotics that can’t be used on humans
- Why would anyone want to purchase fish antibiotics
- A list of antibiotics that everyone should store for emergencies
- What a few highly available antibiotics can be used to treat
- The truth about expiration dates on drugs both prescription and OTC
- The best method for storing antibiotics and other meds long term
- How one can safely accumulate medicines that don’t have animal equivalents
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- Great Article by Doc Bones on Fish Antibiotics with A Good List of what to Stock
- Video – Fish Antibiotics in Survival Situations
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Great to hear nurse Amy again, one of the best interviewees you’ve ever had IMO.
Is there something wrong with the server? When I go to play today’s episode it says file not found?
Thank you.
FYI. File plays in my phone, so it’s probably Big Bro.
Great interview, great information. Janet and I have “spare animal meds” and many natural antimicrobials for emergency use. Excellent!
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It’s always an honor to be interviewed by jack ! No BS, just real questions I can answer with passion and conviction. We really do care passionately about prepping and are REAL Preppers, unlike the other so called medical experts. I’m not going to starve or be run over by crazy nuts I assure you! Don’t mess with this GA girl…lol! Anyway, thanks so Much for the kind words! It ain’t easy being GREEN…
Awesome interview! Thank you guys for putting this information out there. It’s amazing when you really think about it, that kind of life-saving information for FREE.
Is there a simple list of diseases that might be common in a SHTF scenario, and the antibiotic and doses used to treat them? I found your Survivalblog articles, but it seems like there would be more. Or maybe I should just re-listen to the episode, and write them down.
This is a great interview. I’d like to add one point about the antibiotic use, particularly as it relates to tetracycline / doxycycline antibiotics and the expiration dates. You are correct about the fact that expiration dates do not mean that the drug immediately loses potency. HOWEVER – tetracycline antibiotics do degrade into compounds that are toxic to your kidneys. Therefore, I would not worry about using a tetracycline antibiotic that was stored properly and was 3-6 months out of date, but if it is getting older than that, you want to err to the side of caution, because dying of kidney failure in the SHTF scenario is going to be worse than an infection.
This is also more likely to be the case in an extended SHTF scenario, as the manufacture of new drugs may be limited.
http://www.uspharmacist.com/content/d/feature/c/28622/
Drugs that induce mitochondrial dysfunction have the potential to cause Fanconi syndrome.9,10 The most common drugs are outdated tetracycline antibiotics, chemotherapy agents, antiviral drugs, aminoglycosides, and anticonvulsants. These medications may induce Fanconi syndrome by a variety of different mechanisms. Tetracycline metabolites can cause renal tubular disease with electrolyte imbalance and induce tubular damage within 2 to 8 days after beginning treatment. Reversal of Fanconi syndrome can take up to a year.9 Recent trials with animals suggested that ifosfamide, cisplatin, and carboplatin decrease renal blood flow caused by vascular resistance.9 Cisplatin is a direct toxin to the proximal tubular cells, resulting in an increase in b2-microglobulin and/or aminoaciduria and/or proteinuria.9 –
Hi Eric,
Tetracycline is a first generation antibiotic and not one of my top ten or so that I would recommend for survival medical storage, although it is available as Fish-Cycline. Most of the cases of toxicity with expired tetracycline are decades old, and the formulation has changed since then. Having said that, there are a lot of other antibiotics that are preferable.
Doxycycline is another issue. In 2009, a newer Shelf Life Extension Program study determined in Oct. 2009 that this antibiotic would be acceptable for up to 5 years beyond its 2-year expiration date. You will find the information below:
https://slep.dmsbfda.army.mil/slep/slep_info_paper.pdf
This update also determined that the antibiotic Ciprofloxacin would be effective 10 years after its 3-year expiration date.
It’s important to note that anyone could have a toxic reaction to almost any medication as a side effect or an allergy. Tylenol, for example, is the leading cause of acute liver failure in the U.S., usually due to overdosage.
Joe,
I’m curious how we might get access to the results of the SLEP study for various drugs / products. Is that available on the interwebz?
Nevermind, I just finished listening to the rest of the show.
Hey Joe!
That is good info to have! Thanks for sharing!!
Eric
You’re very welcome! Here’s the link to the abstract from the July 2006 Journal of Pharmaceutical Sciences (J Pharm Sci. 2006 Jul;95(7):1549-60):
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16721796
Hey Joe, didn’t know if you had much experience using grapefruit seed extract, GSE? We use if here for bacterial sinus and respiratory problems with good results. Elderberry tincture made with vodka has been my mainstay for viral stuff. I just started sea buckthorn with honey for viral stuff also. I rarely get sick and I work in a MICU so I like to have coverage before I get sick. Get show.
Hey Nurse Amy
The tea tree Hydrosol that you were so efficient in producing has been used in NZ and AU to treat fly strike in sheep and to cure mastitis in Dairy cows, initially for Organic Farm Certification treatment but now non organic farmers are using it due to its effectiveness.
Thank you all for such a great down to earth show with such great information
you guys should come back and do a show on essential oil therapeutics show
Just saying
Cheers Finster
Jeff and Finster,
Both of you are my kind of guys! You’ve thought out remedies that would help you deal with medical issues in your people and livestock in austere settings. That’s what I call using all the tools in the medical woodshed!
Joe Alton, MD