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The New Mike
The New Mike
11 years ago

“The value of pasta and beans to those who are hungry”
That is actually more or less the EXACT statement that got me into prepping. I’m not entirely sure what VERY initially peaked my interest but Cody Lundin goes into depth about this in “When All Hell Breaks Loose”. He described what hungry is, and what it does, and since then I haven’t looked back. Even my time in the Marine Corps and any possible “adversity” I went through, in my mind, barely prepare me for such a scenario. And yet, its one of the easier things to prevent, right now, in our current circumstance.

I’ll bring the food storage strategy topic back up at the family weekly/biweekly prep talk this week.

The New Mike
The New Mike
11 years ago
Reply to  The New Mike

Jack meant to say thanks for bringing that point out because there is definitely ALOT lost whenever there is “welfare fraud” brought up. Talk about a polarization topic and one of the fastest ways to get to a stupid discussion. Looking a bit further under the surface yields more.

Its why I don’t blame people for cheating the system. I blame the system. Go to Afghanistan (for example), take a breath, look around and interact with the people there. Do I blame them for gaming the system, and enriching their poorish lives by people willing to throw away resources at them? No. Do I think they’re better off? Debatable. Do I get angry when they get angry for us not providing them with resources? Maybe. But I know they’d be just fine without us.

Matt
Matt
11 years ago

uh oh. the tin foil hat in the corner of my room has taken control of my keyboard…

the food stamp article presents a trap (much like the immigration “solution”)…because, of course, this must be stopped! The solution is obviously to monitor and control the benefits given to each person much closer. More lists and bureaucracy are needed. Obviously.

Jerry Ward
11 years ago

Steve,

You might want to include this timer in your thinking. It can be set to turn on for 2, 4, 6 or 8 hours after dusk. I use this for my chickens and in the winter I set it for 4 hours after dusk.

http://www.amazon.com/2001-Outdoor-24-Hour-Mechanical-Outlet/dp/B00002NB2X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8

Steven Harris
11 years ago

yes, that is cool times 10 !!

Steve

Jerry Ward
11 years ago

One other thing the battery will do for you is you can put up the electric net fence and get a 12v energizer for it. Not only does it help keep the birds in it helps keep other things out.

Pete
Pete
11 years ago

Hi Jack,

Have you looked into CAFR at all?

Detroit: The Latest Bankruptcy Lie
http://realitybloger.wordpress.com/2013/07/20/detroit-the-latest-bankruptcy-lie/

Unmasking The CAFR Scam In Every City, USA
http://realitybloger.wordpress.com/2013/02/27/unmasking-the-cafr-scam-in-every-city-usa/

CAFR SCHOOL: How Corporations Are Funded By Taxpayers
http://realitybloger.wordpress.com/2012/07/10/cafr-school-how-corporations-are-funded-by-taxpayers/

its pretty amazing.

Pete
Pete
11 years ago

thanks for the response and all you do 🙂

Adrian the nerd
Adrian the nerd
11 years ago

I got to thinking about the need to ventilate the chicken coop into the evening hours and trying to think of a way to do it passively. The idea struck me that you could build a kind of chimney that would absorb a bunch of solar heat during the day, and this might create a draft for some time into the night. It should be something dark and with significant mass to store up the heat, like bricks painted black, or maybe a black container of water with a chimney pipe running through it. Looks like I’m not the first person to think of this – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_chimney.
I think this sounds like a fun science fair idea to do with the kids.
You obviously have other benefits to getting a solar setup for your coop, but it’s always an interesting thought exercise to try and figure out a permaculture approach.

Agorculture
Agorculture
11 years ago

About what happens to Detroit, I have seen this movie before. It is called Robocop! Speaking of 80s movies, I think the theme from Dr. Detroit would make a great bumper for Detroit’s woes. I love the 80s!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_A8Xe9M0NY

2012/2013 is close enough prediction for Detroit. It is only since 2012 that we discovered that retirement plans are being steered towards government bonds. 401k plans may have been keeping these going. It’s only been a year since my observation on covert nationalization of retirement plans (into government bonds). Worse, the plan administrators, employers and government are trying to make it so that one pays the least amount of attention and has the least interraction with the retirement plans. The defaults are Target date funds that automatically index and reallocate. New employees are automaticly enrolled and existing employees are automatically increased in their 401 deduction. The literature even encourages one to not look at their portfolio. (Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain! ) Even Social Security doesn’t send a statement anymore!

Peter
Peter
11 years ago

An article discussing your view Jack, Detroit isn’t a one-off issue!
http://www.cnbc.com/id/100909014

Ian
Ian
11 years ago

Keep It Simpler Stupid: Run an extension cable to a box fan mounted in your coop. Too much Steve editorial in this episode.

Love you. 😀

Steven Harris
11 years ago
Reply to  Ian

Jack said he wanted a solar powered chicken coop, I gave him one. It was the assignment I was given. Plus its a power source way away from the house for other things, like the stock tanks, and its a back up to the house. If Jack put an extension cord on the ground, it’d short out when it rained and it’d be cut when he mowed… that’s the whole point, he has pure bedrock for soil, he can’t trench.

Steve

Ian
Ian
11 years ago
Reply to  Steven Harris

Sorry to bitch, Steve. I should have just skipped forward when the information was a mile over my head in the first 5 minutes. I always enjoy your segments on the TSP and your editorial has been helpful in my life. This one was long and involved and I was grouchy I guess. Keep up the great work, fellas. I’m a big fan and I shouldn’t have been a bitch.

Zipit
Zipit
11 years ago

Slow down the fan with a light dimmer? Most standard dimmers use triacs which trigger off the phase of the AC sinewave. It won’t work with the wonderful squarewave output inverters Mr. Harris recommends.

Sarah @ The Claiming Liberty Blog

So Steven, you did such a thorough job w/Jack’s request, as usual. Of course, it got me thinking…

I have a stand-alone coop like Jack’s. Right now, we run a fan in the summer, and we’ll have to do water de-icing in the winter. The coop roof has great southern exposure. How would I change the math to run some light/de-icing on battery in the winter? How would I know how to figure out the right amount of batteries/panels? And what Schumacher charger would be right if we needed to pull batteries from the coop and charge them off AC if there wasn’t enough sun? (I live in south central IN, BTW, and yeah, I’m guessing I can hear you groan all the way down here. :D)

Jerry
Jerry
11 years ago

I know Steven was like”Devil 12 volt fan BEGON!” , but coming from northern Ala. where summers could get into the 100’s not often but could. I thought of this because its what i was leaning too in a grid down with no air i could use it. If its good enough for me its good enough for chickens. It would suppliment the air flow during the day at least. It says its rated at 6 watts draw so would be very minor use even charging the battery during the day.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/12VOLT-BATTERY-POWERED-DC-PORTABLE-20-HANGING-FAN-AA-POWER-PACK-12V-CORD/171086137482?rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D261%26meid%3D283114584341914769%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D1088%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D350840491550%26

CJ Verde
CJ Verde
11 years ago

Question on the solar powered coop:
Did you ever set it up?

2 Comments:
1. I think Steve recommended screwing the inverter to a wall. I think if this doesn’t have a cover you are going to damage it. Steve may not realize how dusty chickens can be. Plus, dust is bad, poop is worse and they can roost in pretty tight spots.
2. I’m not sure which digital timer he recommended (then sort of changed his mind about) but I switched to an analogue with 15″ stops for my aquaponics set up. In a hoop house or chicken coop it’s liable to be humid enough to damage the LED readout in short order. The timer occasionally resets, screwing things up. And lastly they often don’t have a replaceable battery so when that fails you have to throw it away.