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The New Mike
The New Mike
11 years ago

Jack
Regarding “US Air Force Personal ORDERED not to read about the NSA Scandal” I’m kind of surprised this is the only report of this filtered up. I can pretty much guarantee you every single person on any government ran network has received at LEAST one email. Also not just government ran network, but any network ran under government contract, particularly those who hold clearances.
Cough cough cough….

Kirk
Kirk
11 years ago
Reply to  The New Mike

Tom Woods nocks it out of the park.

War: Big Government’s Best Friend

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN3EryUG0EA

Shannon
Shannon
11 years ago

Great show as always Jack!

Thanks for all you do!
Shannon

donald grandbois
donald grandbois
11 years ago

did you ever hear the story about Daniel Shays rebellion. These farmers levied thier land to help defeat the British then when these farmers could not pay back thier debts the gov they fought for sided with the very people who wanted to enslave them very interesting. I grew up in Western Mass and was never tught that in School

Karen
Karen
11 years ago

Jack,

The GMO at Fort Collins link is invalid. You can probably update it with this one.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_23561024/genetically-modified-wheat-seed-was-stored-at-fort

Insidious
Insidious
11 years ago

Impossible – Incapable of being or of occurring

Standard leadership training in the Corps (and I’m sure the other services):
Never give an order you can’t enforce..

The Governmental equivalent would be ‘never pass a law you can’t enforce’

Seems like both institutions have been infected by the same sorts.

Of course in the case of military.. I can imagine exactly how much eye rolling was going delivered along with that order, particularly from the noncoms. Probably a bit more than with those ‘this area is off limits’ speeches.

It seems like that order originated right there in Texas @ Lackland Air Force Base.

If you read it, its a CYA so the 624th doesn’t have to fill out paperwork about why classified documents are located in insecure parts of their network.

So, its not saying, ‘don’t read news stories about Snowden..’ its saying ‘don’t view/download classified files (that are available on the internet) onto our computers.

🙂

Hardpoint9
Hardpoint9
11 years ago

Jack, you mentioned that the Air Force was the only branch you’d heard was doing this. It seems the other branches are doing it too, like you suspected: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/28/army-blocks-the-guardian_n_3515374.html

John
John
11 years ago

Jack, I love you man but you’re looking for a conspiracy theory when the simple explanation works. The military doesn’t care if it’s service members/civilians read about this. They know there’s no way to get away from it, it’s on every news source out there.

The issue is the government network systems and how they’re set up. That string of letters on the header and footer of the “leaked” document means something and government systems are setup to look for it. When if it finds it sends out an alert to the IT guys, then they have to come out, find out what happened and scrub the computer. It doesn’t matter that it’s allover the news, just because it’s public doesn’t mean it’s been declassified.

I agree that most of the stuff that’s classified probably shouldn’t be done in the first place but this is not an attempt by the government to censor news from service members. They can read whatever they want, just not on a government system.

The New Mike
The New Mike
11 years ago
Reply to  John

While I’m not disagreeing with the practicality of what you’re saying thats incorrect. I’m not sure what your insider knowledge is into the subject, but I can pretty much tell you anybody with a clearance has and will continue to get reminders about incidentally leaking information or accessing classified information, A. on the wrong system and B. without the need to know (you may have a clearance, but not a need to know).

I don’t think there is an effort to “blind service members” rather the government trying to cover up and prevent a leak from going out further, therefore, gagging troops and preventing them from looking or discussing it. Ask any intelligence officer about the subject at hand and they’ll state it hasn’t be declassified yet, regardless of if its in the news. So by their bureaucratic standards you’d have accessed classified information illegally, and were also disseminating it, whether or not that is the most eye rolling thing ever is another thing all together.

Charlie
Charlie
11 years ago
Reply to  John

US Department of Defense Censors Snowden Story: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/07/us_department_o.html

Insidious
Insidious
11 years ago
Reply to  John

The soul and substance of what customarily ranks as patriotism is moral cowardice — and always has been.
– Mark Twain’s Notebook

ie. going along with the crowd. In any country, the easy path is to be ‘patriotic’.. in other words, to support the status quo.

“Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”
? Patrick Henry

“The true character of liberty is independence, maintained by force.” – Voltaire

Wasn’t going to go down this road until I heard that you’re taking the Fourth of July off this year. I feel like with everything that’s going on its better observed as a day of mourning and reflection, rather than a day of celebration.

Insidious
Insidious
11 years ago
Reply to  John

@Modern –
Always good to have someone let me know when I’m talking out of my ass. 😉

Letting the parasites claim MY country and MY flag, while denigrating MY constitution and trying to convince me that their agenda is ‘what’s right for America’.. ain’t going to happen.

So, I’ll stop talking defeatist.. as if ‘they’ have the upper hand, and focus on MY agenda for MY country. And practice a bit of gratitude for all the things that are FANTASTIC about our country.

This is not to ignore that bad things are afoot, or that bad things have been, and are being done.. just to move the focus to the now, and to what I want in the future.

Guess I need to cut back on the Lew Rockwell for a while too.. 😉

Nickbert
11 years ago

From what I know this restriction is supposed to apply to ALL people with a clearance, whether in the service or contractors. I remember seeing similar notifications like this a 2-3 years ago when Wikileaks burst on the scene. If my memory serves, they tell this to cleared persons on the basis of the agreement we all signed that we promised to not attempt to access classified information beyond our ‘need to know’, clearance level, or attempt to access classified documents on computers that are not approved to handle classified data. So on the basis of one or more of these factors, reading about it on even on your own time or your HOME computer is technically a violation of that agreement. And sure enough, in the training they specifically mention just because classified material is public doesn’t mean you can handle it any differently. So yes it’s BS and a stupid, nonsensical technicality, but it’s still binding.
Now as to how enforceable this is in reality, well, I think most people here can guess that one for themselves….

Nickbert
11 years ago

@Modern
I’m in agreement with you on this, I had just wanted to mention the actual legal basis of this ‘restriction’ and that it in fact is supposed to apply to EVERYONE with a clearance and with ANY computer (not just soldiers on niprnet or other government systems) and so it’s actually EVEN WORSE than the original article lets on. I find it one of the most absurd kinds of nanny-state bureaucratic power-trip mandates I’ve experienced yet (all the more so I guess since I’m one of those they’re trying to control with extremely unreasonable demands). But if it’s any consolation, from what I’ve seen with some of the discussions that go on at work, most people are keeping up with the news and giving the restriction the figurative middle finger (at least in regards to their time away from work). And better yet, a good number of them are just as upset with the scandal as the audience here…

Nickbert
11 years ago

@Modern,
Yep, you’ve got it in a nutshell. It’s 0ne of several reasons I am growing to resent this line of work…. when I first started I felt like I was doing and working on something worthwhile, but over time it’s become an increasingly bureaucratic and soul-sucking experience. And with this it’s like having some unseen gov’t bureaucrat version of Eric Cartman issuing periodic memos of: “You will respect my authori-tay!!!”. It almost begs the question, is it better to stay so there are more people of conscience in this field who push to keep some semblance of integrity, or leave so as to retain one’s sanity and happiness? Sadly, at this point I have to say the latter feels like the better choice. It’s unfortunate that many service members, unlike contractors, have to wait years to have the luxury of quitting.

Nickbert
11 years ago

@Modern,
Yeah, that is the direction both my heart and head are pushing, despite how nice this career seems on paper. But it’s nice to hear it from someone else for a change. To be honest nobody’s job depends on me staying, so the only people who really depend on me are my family. And IMO things are largely too far gone to try to work within the system to make a difference (especially for a rank-and-file engineer).

Thanks, and keep up the great work…

Ronnie in Iowa
Ronnie in Iowa
11 years ago

You are 100% correct on the difference between men and women. Men are logical thinkers. They like to fix one problem at a time. Women have to juggle problems. Junior needs to go to the dentist and there is also an appointment to get the car fixed and what should I fix for dinner and the shirts need to be picked up at the cleaners and still have to clean the house and and and. We’re thinking about that at the same time. The man would say …have to take Junior to the dentist. It’s just how we’re wired.

As for pissing people off, I started my sermon this past Sunday with a quote by Winston Churchill : ‘You have enemies? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.’ My sermon was about Rev Richard Wurmbrand who spent well over a decade of his life in Communist prisons being tortured simply for preaching the word of God and went on to say how corrupt our current gov’t is in BOTH parties and that we are seeing multiple liberties taken from us including our right to worship as we wish. One guy walked out.
And so…I have made enemies and I pissed people off and I could care less. I’m sick of the church with no backbone and I’m NOT afraid to stand at the pulpit and tell the people to either defend their constitution or lose it.
They were basically in shock. They’re used to being lulled to sleep with politically correct BS.

The New Mike
The New Mike
11 years ago
Reply to  Ronnie in Iowa

The wife does this to me all the time. I’m focused on something and starts playing 20 questions with me. What do you want for dinner? XYZ? How about this?

I eventually have to stop her and say, “I have no answer for you. I’m not thinking about that… I’m working on something else.”

The New Mike
The New Mike
11 years ago

The problem I’m having is evaluating the magnitude.

We recently bought 5 grapes from Lowes for cheap (they were basically half off). Since then I have absolutely had no earthly Idea where to fit them into the plan, and every day has basically been a “this needs to get done” but I’ve had an absolute design block of where. There are still too many unknowns about where we are expanding the house (zone 1 becomes a bitch for planning if you’re integrating in eventual permanent additions) or where the 2nd garden is going… or x y and z. So i’m like shit. Alot of places are off limits because when we finally clear some of this acerage, we’re going to need those places open and clear.

And then I go… all this over 25 fing dollars. (5 grapes x 5 dollars each). I’m panicking and refusing to put something in the ground over 5 dollars per plant. (I could plant it and rip it out years later, and who gives two shits right?)

The New Mike
The New Mike
11 years ago

Further, I guess what I’m saying, if its not “done right” and perfect the first time, I have a hard time committing to working on it.

Thanks for the leadership tip by the way. Thats definitely another good tool to use on top of some of the others I’ve learned over the years (similar to the guest you had on the other day talking about stating what you know and what you don’t know, to clear up and evaluate the “battlefield”).

The New Mike
The New Mike
11 years ago

Plan B.
Sheesh I said that the other day and friggin forgot. I have big ol’ 7 gallon pots ready to go for that.

I’ll be doing that today as soon as I get off. Thanks for the help!

Matt
Matt
11 years ago

I appreciate your thoughts on men and women. I refer to the thinking of women as “chick logic”. My girlfriend doesn’t seem to get the “joke”. The term emotional decision making is much better. I’ll be using that from now on.

clayfarmer
clayfarmer
11 years ago
Reply to  Ronnie in Iowa

@Ronnie in Iowa,
Is the audio of your sermon available online anywhere (church website, etc)? Would LOVE to hear it! Well done!

Matthew in Gooseneck GA
Matthew in Gooseneck GA
11 years ago

Hey great info about the Chipotle peppers. So I don’t have any red peppers. If i do this with green Jalapenos what would that be called?

thanks you are awesome!

The New Mike
The New Mike
11 years ago

I bought probably 10 different types of hot peppers exclusively for the purpose of drying them and creating my own seasoning.

Down h’ya in Looziana, we tend to like hot seasonin’s. I’ll have to keep in mind the idea of smoking it then turning it into a powder.

Raymond "Shorty" Butler
Raymond "Shorty" Butler
11 years ago

I fought for the people of the USA (United States of America), I live in the USSA (United Socialist States of Amerika). I am a new citizen of Tennessee, leaving the land of my birth, Texas, as I believe it is being turned into a power base for the politically rich. My nightmare is returning as I believe that I will once again have to step into the roll of combatant to retake the country that was given away to the politicians who hold no loyalties to any people or country. This time I hope a larger portion of the people will stand up and do their part. I volunteered, yes, which means that I’m already in it. Those who would not stand up for their country while they still had one, will you now stand up for the country you have now lost. This is not a call to arms, but rather just an old soldier begging his countrymen (and women) to stand up and act at the ballot box while we still have one

Karen
Karen
11 years ago

Are you sure the ballot box work? Everything has been bought and purchased. I am sure the ballot box has been bought by Goldman Sac or Google or some other major corporation.

I don’t believe the ballot box work.

Raymond "Shorty" Butler
Raymond "Shorty" Butler
11 years ago

I have spent time on the battle field and I never want to hurt another EVER again. That said I know we are going to have to fight them at the ballot box or on the battle field. As I said before I volunteered long ago so I’m already in it and will continue to keep my word to you my people and to our beloved Constitution. My sisters and brothers in arms are being threatened with UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) for even looking at the truth, my people are being threatened with government action for standing up for their rights, our food and water is being destroyed and our children are being taught to be drones. If not the ballot box or the battle field, then what? I am an old retired soldier, what would you, my people, want me to do? I am your willing servant.

Raymond "Shorty" Butler
Raymond "Shorty" Butler
11 years ago

Thank You so much Jack, you are able to explain better than I am.

Cooper
Cooper
11 years ago

I worked for a mutual fund servicing company. I worked with a couple large money market funds from a very large well known company. We had to keep an off schedule spreadsheet of the fees for these funds because if we actually booked the fees the funds would break $1.00 on a daily basis. These funds are only being propped up to keep the money flowing.

MtnStatePrepper
MtnStatePrepper
11 years ago

I ordered those fly cast bubbles today. Looking forward to using them. I’m an avid fisher, love to chase trout in the spring and fall. Summer months I switch up to smallies in the local rivers.

I ran into a guy fishing a similar technique this spring. He wasn’t using a bubble, but had rigged up a leader on the end of his spinning line. He was mainly using the water flow itself to get the line moving, and as the faster water gave way to the pools he managed to work the line a decent distance from where he stood. In his case, corn was the bait, but the point was the fine leader/tippet he was using gave the bait barely any resistance and allowed it to find its natural depth.

Hoping these work out for me, as the summer gets hotter, the trout are few and farther between.

dk1138
dk1138
11 years ago

Jack,

Just wanted to say a quick “thank you” for being so open about your product experiences.

I bought the Yellow Jacket and have had problems with the charging function. When I heard it wasn’t very effective as a stun gun, that was the last straw… going back soon.
It does look actually well-built, and is a well-conceived product… (my first reaction was “what a dumb idea”, then once I’d thought about it… “genius idea!”). Just maybe not right for prime time.

Anyhow, have a good 4th!
David

Insidious
Insidious
11 years ago

NSA Recruitment drive goes horribly wrong:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/shortcuts/2013/jul/05/national-security-agency-recruitment-drive

IMO the audio file is worth a listen.

craftyam
craftyam
11 years ago

Dear Jack,
Thank you for explaining why I have such a hard time with being awake and applying permaculture. I am awake and am informed and want to do something, but all I can think of is the problem. Don’t get me wrong I have done a lot, but the more I read/listen ect. the more needs done. I have the same problem with Geoffs permaculture class. I have an idea of how it works, but all of the problems of using our land and lack of water keep me stuck in the emotions. Trying to talk to hubby..I get frustrated..He presents the information and talks and talks..I want a plan… Step 1, 2,3 ect. Then when I get emotional about it I can look at the plan and reorganize. Thanks for all you do.

John Doe (on this topic)
John Doe (on this topic)
11 years ago

I’m a cleared information security professional working under contract for a government agency, while I don’t have access to special information about this or ANY related topics. …

I can confirm that I’ve received similar warnings about accessing the leaked classified documents being a violation of my clearance agreement. The warning notifications I’ve received don’t forbid me from accessing the public news, however some news sites feature the classified documents themselves and viewing them from a non classified network is most certainly a classified information incident.

Classified information that finds its way to a non-classified network is considered information spillage and every incident needs to be documented. Despite the horrible language used in the USAF notification you shared, I do honestly believe the intent was only to reduce the number of information spillage events that needed to be reported on the specific non-classified government operated information network.

If you don’t have a clearance (and will never need one) you can look at whatever you want on your OWN internet connection.

At least in my case I have a steady feed of news sources on this topics being provided to me, the only caveat is someone is pre-screening them for possible spillage. I can assure you however that the message is not one sided towards the government and I find this NSA program just as disgusting as any other true American whose sworn to uphold the constitution should.

Jack, I think this is one of those instances where I disagree with your interpretation of the governments intent here… in my eyes this is incompetence over malice.

Keep fighting the good fight though….

John Doe (on this topic)
John Doe (on this topic)
11 years ago

I’m well aware of UCMJ and chain of command; so I “get” it.

The letter you read on Air didn’t read as “don’t look at news stories” to me. It read as “don’t look at news stories on this very specific network” with a subtext of “because it’s our network and we monitor everything you do on this network and are sick of reporting incidents”.

I can’t speak to other reports you’ve received, I was responding only to the news piece you mentioned in this episode.

It sounds as if there are a lot of CO’s out there that aren’t very bright and give some really stupid orders that should probably be challenged… But I’m not sure how the military would operate if every stupid order was questioned 😉

John Doe (on this topic)
John Doe (on this topic)
11 years ago

Outside that very specific “technicality” I’d like to share my viewpoint on this and other recent leaks. Any normal person would stop trying to keep a secret after the whole world new the truth, these documents would be declassified in a sane world preventing this entire issue with our troops. Why are these documents still classified if I could print them off on my home computer after a 2 min Google search?

I responded here because what the troops are being ordered to do is easily rebutted when you consider who owns and operates the networks they are being ordered not to do this on. So in that regard I consider that news “gossip” and dislike it because it detracts from the real issues.

Should our government be allowed to have secrets like this NSA project at all? If so who is allowed to know, Obama at first claimed he did not understand the full extent of the project, but if he didn’t and the people didn’t WHO DID?

I know that it’s the NSA’s Office of Inspector Generals (OIG), job to prevent these kind of constitutional violations. Where the hell is the media interview attempts with THAT department, who is getting fired there. Did the OIG know this was going on?

TimE
TimE
11 years ago

“Whatever seed Monsanto sent to the repository was incinerated,” USDA spokesman Ed Curlett said.

If you read that literally, that doesn’t mean that all the wheat was incinerated – just the wheat that Monsanto sent. Very well chosen words if you ask me.