Episode-1782- Listener Feedback for 5-9-16 — 30 Comments

  1. I got to hear one favorite talk about another favorite! Thanks for YOUR opinion and mentioning JO’C…and elmer. I have my opinion, too, but I also like the idea of taking a Mosin on a hunt.

  2. For reference, here’s the actual retraction from The Lancet where Dr. Wakefield’s original paper was published:
    “We wish to make it clear that in this paper no causal link was established between (the) vaccine and autism, as the data were insufficient. However the possibility of such a link was raised, and consequent events have had major implications for public health. In view of this, we consider now is the appropriate time that we should together formally retract the interpretation placed upon these findings in the paper, according to precedent.”
    So the study itself is still as valid as it was, and also didn’t establish a real link (due to very small sample size) between the vaccine and autism. Dr. Wakefield later went on to comment that there was a link, and generally agitated for the elimination of the triple vaccine.

    • Adam – That is slightly different than what I read. Where did you pull that from? Thanks!

      • How about this, 28 independent studies from around the world that corroborate Dr. Wakefield’s Study.

        None of these people have been discredited, none of his original co authors either all whom still stand behind what they published. Here you go!

        * The Journal of Pediatrics November 1999; 135(5):559-63
        * The Journal of Pediatrics 2000; 138(3): 366-372
        * Journal of Clinical Immunology November 2003; 23(6): 504-517
        * Journal of Neuroimmunology 2005
        * Brain, Behavior and Immunity 1993; 7: 97-103
        * Pediatric Neurology 2003; 28(4): 1-3
        * Neuropsychobiology 2005; 51:77-85
        * The Journal of Pediatrics May 2005;146(5):605-10
        * Autism Insights 2009; 1: 1-11
        * Canadian Journal of Gastroenterology February 2009; 23(2): 95-98
        * Annals of Clinical Psychiatry 2009:21(3): 148-161
        * Journal of Child Neurology June 29, 2009; 000:1-6
        * Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders March 2009;39(3):405-13
        * Medical Hypotheses August 1998;51:133-144.
        * Journal of Child Neurology July 2000; ;15(7):429-35
        * Lancet. 1972;2:883–884.
        * Journal of Autism and Childhood Schizophrenia January-March 1971;1:48-62
        * Journal of Pediatrics March 2001;138:366-372.
        * Molecular Psychiatry 2002;7:375-382.
        * American Journal of Gastroenterolgy April 2004;598-605.
        * Journal of Clinical Immunology November 2003;23:504-517.
        * Neuroimmunology April 2006;173(1-2):126-34.
        * Prog. Neuropsychopharmacol Biol. Psychiatry December 30 2006;30:1472-1477.
        * Clinical Infectious Diseases September 1 2002;35(Suppl 1):S6-S16
        * Applied and Environmental Microbiology, 2004;70(11):6459-6465
        * Journal of Medical Microbiology October 2005;54:987-991
        * Archivos venezolanos de puericultura y pediatría 2006; Vol 69 (1): 19-25.
        * Gastroenterology. 2005:128 (Suppl 2);Abstract-303

        And one more time the movie Vaxxed is NOT about Wakefield’s study, it is mentioned but makes up about 3% of the film, the movie is about the CDC committing fraud on their own study and the evidence is so damning as to be absolutely conclusive.

        • I don’t have access to the full text for any of these (as far as I can tell), but from the few abstracts I read, they are studies on various autoimmune gut conditions (not a doctor-not sure that’s the right term) and how they often occur along with autism–I think this is what Dr. Wakefield was studying, and it’s a super interesting area of research that has found some significant results. It’s also useful as it is one of the very few areas of research on autism that might yield treatments. I’ve heard anecdotes that dramatic diet interventions (e.g. paleo) have helped autistic children significantly, and other reports of probiotics helping as well.

          That said, I couldn’t find any discussion of MMR or measles in the abstracts (all I have access to). I also found this article plugging the citations into google: which roughly confirms what I observed (that these articles don’t support the thesis that MMR is linked to autism).

          I’ll go check out the movie, it looks like it’s showing about an hour away from me.

        • Dr. Wakefield’s study was about a gut disease not vaccines, it was in that that a POTENTIAL link was discovered in connection to the combined MMR. The attacks on Wakefield are either based on malice or ignorance.

          And again, the movie is NOT about his study but absolute fraud in the CDC.

        • Thank you for covering this topic Jack. My grandson is autistic. He was developing normal until he received a series of vaccines that began early in his life. By the age of two it was clear something had gone very wrong. I took my daughter to a presentation by a doctor in Texas, a specialist who treats children with autism, several years ago. It was heartbreaking to see her tears as she realized what I already come to believe. This tragedy has impacted our family and while therapy and specialist have helped him to progress, we know he will never reach the potential he might have. The expense is a burden costing over $24000/ year to provide him with the support he needs as he grows up. Beyond that, few day cares will accept a child with issues and if they do well that will cost extra also. While I can not say for a fact the vaccines created this situation, it seems at the very least his body had an inability to process the vaccines in the “normal” way. Parents need to carefully consider this question of vaccinating vs not. Vaxxed is an important movie to go see. Thank you for sharing your opinion and urging people to go and watch.

        • I just watched Vaxxed today in ATL. The thing that was glaring to me and I would have put it nearer the beginning in the movie was that in 1986 they actually passed a law that precludes the pharmaceutical industry from ever being sued for damages due to vaccines. Imagine the same bill but insert cigarette manufacturers or oil companies, people would be demonstrating in the street.

          The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act (NCVIA) of 1986 (42 U.S.C. §§ 300aa-1 to 300aa-34) was enacted in the United States to reduce the potential financial liability of vaccine makers due to vaccine injury claims. The legislation was aimed at ensuring a stable market supply, and to provide cost-effective arbitration for vaccine injury claims. Under the NCVIA, the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (NVICP) was created to provide a federal no-fault system for compensating vaccine-related injuries or death by establishing a claim procedure involving the United States Court of Federal Claims and special masters. – wiki

          So why the hell would they ever give a flip whether or not their vaccines are safe? It’s all upside with a congressional mandate with no downside. Go figure….

  3. Back in the late 1970’s I took my dog in for her vaccinations. Forget which ones they were, but they were given as a combo in one shot. Within a short number of hours she was staggering, listless, one sick dog. I phoned the vet and the vet said that some dogs had an adverse reaction when given the combo vaccine and in the future to remember to ask for the shots to be given separately. She never had a reaction to any vaccine after that as they were given separately and at different times.

    My point is the vet knew back then that some dogs were make ill when given the combo vaccine. Why can’t humans have adverse reactions?

  4. Oh man, I sent you that story back in Nov of 2014. It was being somehow blacked out on the internet. I’ve had a blog about vaccines since 2007 so I just cataloged the stories at that time. I live in Atlanta and that is where Dr. Williams lives and he just disappeared, even his neighbors hadn’t seen him. I couldn’t ever discover what had happened to him. I became interested in this after my co-worker’s baby developed autism after being vaccinated, she was african american but a girl, still higher statistical risk. My friend wasn’t the kind of person to take things passively. She tried several schools in Atlanta and found out that they were terrible with special needs kids. She wound up having to move to DC for a better school for her daughter. I think she got fed up with that one as well. She didn’t stop though, she started her own school back in Atlanta. She would be a fantastic person to interview. The school she founded is Strozier Autism Center.

    My own vaccine story repository…

  5. I agree 100% with Jack’s comment on the ease and flexibility of WordPress. It’s amazing how much you can do with configuration, plug ins and no coding at all.

    To learn more programming (PHP, HTML, etc.) there are many free web sites out there you can use to get started. I suggest folks check out and as some good starting resources.

  6. Hope you post the segment about the coming “leaning out” on YouTube. I know several people who need to hear that message, in particular my husband.

  7. Doctors are quitting? Where have I heard that?

    “I quit when medicine was placed under State control, some years ago,” said Dr. Hendricks. “Do you know what it takes to perform a brain operation? Do you know the kind of skill it demands, and the years of passionate, merciless, excruciating devotion that go to acquire that skill? That was what I would not place at the disposal of men whose sole qualification to rule me was their capacity to spout the fraudulent generalities that got them elected to the privilege of enforcing their wishes at the point of a gun. I would not let them dictate the purpose for which my years of study had been spent, or the conditions of my work, or my choice of patients, or the amount of my reward. I observed that in all the discussions that preceded the enslavement of medicine, men discussed everything — except the desires of the doctors. Men considered only the ‘welfare’ of the patients, with no thought for those who were to provide it. That a doctor should have any right, desire or choice in the matter was regarded as irrelevant selfishness; his is not to choose, they said, only ‘to serve.’ That a man who’s willing to work under compulsion is too dangerous a brute to entrust with a job in the stockyards never occurred to those who proposed to help the sick by making life impossible for the healthy. I have often wondered at the smugness with which people assert their right to enslave me, to control my work, to force my will, to violate my conscience, to stifle my mind — yet what is it that they expect to depend on, when they lie on an operating table under my hands?” Dr. Hendricks, Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand.

  8. When we transition to a single payer health plan for all what happens to HSA accounts?

    • Oh you think single payer means you won’t have out of pocket expenses, ha!

      Seriously they will kill them off, likely they will grandfather existing ones.

  9. Thanks. Now, I’m thoroughly depressed. Single payer health care and tons of potential lay offs. I don’t’ work for any of those companies, but any company will gladly get rid of someone and replace them with someone cheaper. Yeah, I’m gonna sleep well tonight.

    I am looking at reality in finer detail (sometimes referred to as paranoia) too much already, this doesn’t help.

    I appreciate the honesty, but sheesh…

  10. If you dont like those awful triggers that the Mosin has makes a adjustable trigger for them. $97-$116

  11. As far getting push back from those that are not on the same page I know how Chris feels. I think Chris likely feels like me, that this year could like 1936 or 1938, everthing seems fine till it collapses till it does, then what. We are living in a fantasy world where we consume 25% of the world’s energy and have 25% of world’s prison population. We are in a very vulnerable state with our food and energy in a just in time status, a very fragile system. We ought to look at what’s going on in Europe, or South America, things to look to good there does it?

  12. As someone who does development for the web, I’d like to expand on Jack’s comment about learning web development.

    First, I agree 100% that you should learn HTML, JavaScript and CSS. Being able to lay things out nicely is a skill that will work with whatever backend framework you end up using and is probably the hardest thing to find someone good at doing. However the first thing you should learn is version control. I’m a big fan of git but really anything will work when you are starting out and working by yourself. Use it to save your progress and be able to revert to a known good state if you need to. You can also easily sync with an off-site location, aka “The Cloud.”

    Then the decision comes to what backend framework you should use? I agree that for most people, WordPress (and presumably BuddyPress which seems like an extension of WordPress) is great for someone who wants to setup a site without a lot of fuss. So if you are somewhat technically oriented and want to do things yourself but don’t want to do a lot of programming, WordPress is *the* way to go.

    However, if you really want to get into programming, maybe start with WordPress/PHP but I’d suggest a few other options as well. The first being a static site generator. The biggest one at the moment is Jekyll but personally I’m a big fan of Hugo. You can do a lot with static sites, including adding dynamic content from other sources (such as comments from disqus) using javascript links. This will make your page as fast as it can be while still being relatively easy to maintain once it’s setup. Also you can host it anywhere as it’s all just html files. You aren’t going to make a forum this way but if you just want a simple site for a business or blog, it can be a great way to go.

    If you need a dynamic site and want to move beyond the capabilities of WordPress plugins, I’d highly recommend looking at the web framework Django. It’s written in Python which I feel is a much better language than PHP (Python is one of google’s core languages). It also scales really well.

    This is a huge topic that I could go on and on about but I’ll stop here.

  13. Jack, thank you for taking the time to answer my question in this show. I appreciate your honesty in telling me what I kind of already knew, but didn’t want to acknowledge.

    I guess that I needed to look at my situation through the lens of David Holmgren’s Permaculture Principles, specifically “Apply self-regulation and accept feedback.” I was getting the feedback, but not accepting it. Hearing what I needed to hear from a non-attached third party helped me to realize that although I was working hard, my efforts were becoming counterproductive, and now I can re-adjust and continue moving in a more positive and productive direction.

  14. Bonds and bond funds: One thing that I was not aware of for about 15 years when investing in bonds or bond funds is the concept of “net worth immunization” which is a concept employed by insurance companies, pension funds, etc. to match future assets and liabilities. If you hold a bond fund with a specific duration (reflects NAV sensitivity to interest rate changes) for a length of time equal to the duration the interest from reinvested coupons will cancel the losses resulting from the NAV changes. This means you are immune from NAV changes due to rising interest rates if you invested in a fund of 5 years duration and you held it for five years. This is distinctly different from a common stock, and is specific to the nature of bonds. Look up “Net Worth Immunization” in Bodie, Kane, and Marcus – “Investments.” If you really want to
    learn about duration and you are mathematically inclined, this Canadian mathematician laid it all out here,

  15. Jack, you should really do a quick YouTube video on the “Fun Coach” concept. Maybe expand on it slightly from what you said in this episode, but I think the core idea is brilliant, and would really resonate with a lot of busy working parents.

  16. For the guy that doesn’t like his engineering job. I didn’t like my last one either. Ended up taking a 5 year self-funded sabbatical. Learned programming and am now doing that. I really enjoy what I do now.

    Another option I could have taken, was save every penny (within reason, of course) and retire early, ala, early retirement extreme, mr money mustache, your money or your life, etc… Although I love programming. I am going to try and make the next “sabbatical” last the rest of my life. I’ll be doing asset allocation investing (look up the Permanent Portfolio, The Intelligent Asset Allocator, PortfolioCharts). The goal is to be retired in a maximum of 14 years or sooner. I’m lucky as my wife and kids don’t mind living “poor”. I still feel rich even though we spend very little compared to others in our situation. I don’t plan on quitting completely once I reach financial independence, I hope to pull back to 20 hour weeks and take about 3 months of vacation every year.

    It’s a great time to be living. Even with all the problems of government, etc. We as a society are extremely wealthy and can pretty much do almost whatever we want.

  17. I haven’t even heard of the movie Vaxxed until Jack spoke about it and I’m very interested in seeing it here in Atl this week.
    I was doing a bit of research on the anti-anti vaxxers and I had to chuckle a bit. Many of these folks are the same as who believe that the global warming deniers are crazy too. However, they don’t say Global Warming so much anymore. Now you’re a climate change denier.
    Just this headline out from 2011 from a “Science blogger”:
    ” The politics of anti-science: Global warming, vaccines, GMOs, oh my!”

    Basically the same article posted a short two years later with THIS updated headline:
    “Antivaccine quackery, anti-GMO pseudoscience, and climate change denialism: Is there a connection other than crank magnetism?”

    Notice no more reference to global warming, now it’s climate change. Facts are I don’t believe in man-made climate change in the least. And that there are ‘scientists’ who want my kind to be prosecuted under RICO laws for challenging the settled ‘science’ makes me all the more interested in the arguments against other settled ‘science’ like vaccines.

  18. Read about Ignac Semmelweis, the doctor who in the mid 1800’s simply advocated Drs. wash their hands before delivering babies. That was considered crazy talk back then and he was run out of the industry and sent to an institution by the powers that be, where he was subsequently beaten to death by hospital personnel.