Episode-1555- Listener Feedback for 4-13-15 — 25 Comments

  1. There any chance the water restrictions in Cali might crack open the compost toilets stigma?

  2. FYI… on the idea of bringing water from the Mississippi River to California, they are already bringing water from the Colorado River to California. This has been going on since the 1930s.

    Having lived in Southern California doing earthwork construction and now living in Austin, Texas I can make an informed comparison. I noticed immediately in Texas that it is a requirement that Texans manage their water on their own property. Businesses must create drainage pools to capture rainwater. Often this rainwater is used to run sprinklers to water the grass.

    Southern California calls for land owners to drain water off of their property into the storm drain system. The storm drain system is massive. You can drive a small pickup truck through parts of it. Anyone who has seen the old scifi movie “Them!” already know this. That movie was BS about giant ants but reasonable concerning how large the drain system is in LA.

    (For those who are younger… the movie “Terminator 2” has a scene where a motorcycle is being chased by a truck down what looks like a concrete canyon. That is one of the drains I’m talking about.)

    They are diverting water AWAY. Now… there is a lot of sand in LA so if they kept the water in pools like Texas, it would simply peculate away. But they could collect that water in concrete or vinyl pools and use it rather than letting it drain away.

    Just a suggestion… a really, really big suggestion that I think would be more effective than what they are doing right now.

    Alex Shrugged

    • A bit of a non sequitor, but that made me think of a quote from the TV show “Boomtown”:

      “London’s got the Thames, Paris got the Seinne. Vienna has the Blue Danube. LA’s got a… concrete drainage ditch.”

    • So, did anyone see this?!?
      California city in SoCal apparently got it right:

      (Hey Alex, I moved from So Cal to Austin too. …and I was, in California, married to an Orthodox Jew to boot. Just noting some parallels.)

  3. Every city in California could do what Alex said. If San Francisco captured and used the rainwater it would have a much smaller dependance on water piped from Yosemite. As I’ve said before, water rights are going to be the next big court battles going on in California, I just wish I could trust the politicians to do the right thing and not impose water regulations like Oregon. I doubt these same politicians will have the fortitude to put restrictions on Nestle, Coke , and other big water bottlers who have continued pumping ground water in huge amounts. That would cost tax revenue.

    • Did… did you listen to the same podcast I did? Specifically in reference to the bottling companies.

      • The point I’m trying to get at in regards to bottling companies is that government (particularly in this state) has a habit of imposing regulations on the average citizen but not on large companies. It may be a small amount of water in the big picture but it has a cumulative effect on a local region. Just like San Francisco that is piping its water from Yosemite; bottling companies that truck out water are permanently removing a resource at a detriment to the local ecology. For those of us that live near Yosemite, the damming of our counties rivers by municipalities 50-200 miles away is aggravating.

        • The point is bottling water doesn’t use any more water than not bottling it! Whether you drink it from a tap or a plastic bottle, doesn’t matter, same amount of water is consumed. Bottling water is a net zero sum result, used to distract you from the actual problem.

      • Jack, I agree that the net consumption of water is the same but that does not negate the damage and depletion to aquifers that this water is being removed from. At least if I pumped local and used local a good portion of the water would remain local. By pumping and transporting it long distances, nothing is returned to the source. Perhaps we are debating two different issues.

        • Nope Nestlie isn’t shipping California water back to Colorado (where it came from by the way) they set up plants in the states they operate in due to efficiency. Except for the stuff that makes road trips with gamblers, hipsters and outdoor types across the CA border, most water bottled in CA is drunk in CA.

  4. Its scary our rights when it comes to D.C. are only protected because it benefits one side or the other. I just wonder how bad it will get when all of them know they will get re elected no matter what.

  5. I was reading that same article about duck eggs. A friend picked me up a dozen from the farmers market. $7.75 cdn. Holy crap the shells look tough

  6. (Smacking forehead)
    I sent it in, having mentioned sustainable meat over at HuffPo (vegans don’t like that, BTW), but Jack just jogged my memory:

    Didn’t Geoff Lawton, in his PDC, refer to the arid landscapes as the “classic grazing systems” or something to that effect?

    (And he may have gone on to say, or I put together from that and TSP and Savory, that arid climate might best focus on grazing as their “main crop”.)

  7. And for the listener in North Carolina:

    Jack said he wasn’t sure about figs in NC.
    On my family’s property in Durham County, we have a fig tree, and it does very well.

    The only thing, and I don’t know if it’s a fig thing, or a fig-in-this-climate thing, is you need to pick ’em as soon as they’re ripe. Seems like you leave them one day and they’re split open and/or fallen to the ground.

    Random trivia: I read some speculation that, given the climate and what’s usually grown in the Middle East, the “tree of knowledge” in Eden would more likely have been meant to be a fig tree, not an apple.

    • Figs have surprisingly tough genetics. There are cultivars that are fine outdoors all the way down to zone 6 [this might have been in a minor microclimate like against a south-facing wall or sheltered by trees to its north.]

    • I took a religious studies course in college, and I remember studying a cave drawing in Iran that predates everything written. In it was a depiction of a story that seems to closely resemble the Garden of Eden story, but the tree that Eve was depicted climbing for the fruit was a date palm.
      However, I’ve also heard “experts” claim they know for one reason or another that the forbidden fruit is a pomegranate, date, or fig. I’ve also heard a theory that the forbidden fruit is not a physical fruit, but sex.
      I’m not sure anyone really knows as much as they claim to know

  8. I live in So Cal (but not for long) and the amount of water wasted in my small environment is incredible. For example, I work for a large company in downtown LA. What really pisses me off is when I’m in the ladies room and I hear a toilet flush 4-5 times because the female doesn’t want anyone to hear her fart, I hear this daily. What a freaking waste of water! These people are totally clueless 🙁

  9. In reference to the caller asking about swales and food forests in SC zone 7b.

    I am familiar with the landscape, as I live there. Unless the callers land is in river bottom, or a swampy area, swales will probably be of a benefit. All of South Carolina in zone 7b is either peidmont or mountain, and while we get a lot of rain, the landscape rapidly sheds most of the rain water.

    This area of South Carolina is also problematic for getting a good well, due to contamination of things I at least wouldn’t want to pump to the surface like radium and uranium, and therefore most people are on either city water, or a rural water system. This could be an issue with irrigation. Unfortunately the only way to know is to drill a well and test it, otherwise irrigation would require that water be paid for by the gallon, unless there is another option like a pond or stream to pump water from.

  10. Regarding the part about whether your vote counts in a federal election. To me, it became obvious in the 2000 presidential election. The only people whose votes could have counted were in Florida. But the state was using machines that weren’t maintained properly, and the Secretary of State kept refusing to count the votes once it came out there way she wanted it.
    I’m not trying to rehash some partisan issue, but literally the only time in my lifetime a vote could’ve meant something, the system made sure it didn’t. Regardless of your party affiliation, you should be disgusted by that. And yet, the argument fell on partisan lines.

    I haven’t heard Jack use this example before, so I figured I’d share it

  11. I would love to hear an interview with Nora Gedgaudas, the scientific guru regarding the nutrition of good fats for health.

  12. Hi Jack.
    The Australian ‘family tax benefit’ and ‘childcare benefit’ are actually tax concessions and rebates, not welfare payments.
    The government just calls them ‘benefits’, and applies loads of restrictions and arcane formulas for payment to make it seem like they aren’t just giving you your own money back.

    • It’s still a deal with the devil though. I guess I’ll be paying about $8000 extra tax next year, for the privilege of not vaccinating my kids. oh well.

      • It is tied to welfare payments if you are receiving them, though. If you do receive welfare it’s a large chunk of money – about half the amount most parents on welfare receive is family tax benefit. However, any family that earns less than $150,000 Australian gets the payment.
        Even Australians have pretty much forgotten that it was introduced in 2000 to pay families back some of the 10% GST they pay throughout the year. The Australian tax system doesn’t have a provision to claim for dependents on your tax return. This basically performs the same function, but it’s an automatic payment, you don’t really ‘claim’ it. Unfortunately, it has morphed into something very much like welfare, in that it creates a dependency and a disincentive to work, not only for the parents, but also for the children. For example, Parents lose the payment when their children get a job. (If you can’t afford to give your hardworking mum the equivalent money in food and board, you think twice about how getting that job affects the rest of your family.)
        So all your arguments still stand in that respect. If you want to get the money, go get your kids vaccinated, and don’t complain. I don’t have an investment property, so those tax concessions aren’t available to me: in the same vein, I’m not getting my kids vaccinated, I can’t get family tax benefit, the end.
        The other payment, Childcare benefit is more of a way to charge a sliding scale for childcare, the more you earn, the more you pay for childcare. Probably, if your kids aren’t vaccinated, they aren’t going to childcare, though. Most childcares require full immunisation before you enrol.
        Sorry this comment is so long. phew.