Episode-1529- Listener Feedback for 3-2-15 — 40 Comments

  1. “Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy.”

    ? Henry Kissinger

  2. Thank you for another great show. I really hope you represent the voice of many who don’t have a podcast, or who are out here living life along the same lines.

    I never understood the words Social Capitol, I wasn’t aware of the words even, or how important it is. Thank you for your detailed explanation.

    Thank you to for the salute to Lenard Nimoy, I liked him in everything I saw him in. I am saddened by the story, but I am glad you included “A Visit to a Sad Planet” I wasn’t aware he did that kind of work. I sure understand what it means though and how it is reflected in where our planet is headed.

  3. Huh, two dollars an hour more than Florida Minimum wage is 10.05

    Yeah I definitely would have done that between 16 and 22 years old or so. Hell in my current situation I’d do it, though I’d be spending the off-season attempting to build a business of my own of some sort.

    • Well bro I have great news for you. They pay piece work and a good picker can make 25 an hour, so get your ass in your car and head for south Florida. Let me know how long you last. Watch this first,

      Get this man, you don’t get paid by the hour as a picker, no one pays that way. LMAO.

      • As you can see, I don’t have any experience in the field. Doesn’t mean it’s not something I’d be willing to do if I lived there.

        If I don’t have anything else going I might see if there are still any farms in my area that hire seasonal pickers this summer, just to have the experience of having done it.

  4. I go to public school and what you say is true! I do think that teachers should teach more about social capitalism. Our school is small, so ideas would travel faster. Well, with this coming from a seventh grader, so I am not that smart.

    • I think you are smarter than you think you are.

      There is likely a lot you have yet to learn, but you don’t measure smart by how much someone knows, you measure it based on their ability to learn new things.

    • I agree with Jack here. My most high-paying job was doing things that were not in a book. No one could teach me. I WAS the expert. My job was to learn how to do things that no one (or very few) had ever done before. I did that well so I was paid well. Others were technically better than I was, but when your job is to step off of a cliff and trust that you will catch a branch on the way down, it takes more than technical skill to produce a product. It takes courage, determination, and a fool’s good luck. I seem to be full of it. 🙂

      You go to school to learn to learn… not to absorb and regurgitate facts. If they aren’t teaching you that, then you need to teach yourself. That is what I did.

      I became an autodidact. (Now I can get married in Massachusetts! 🙂 )

      Good luck.

  5. Your right Jack about Social Captital being important. I don’t mind doing stuff for people , but when people are being an @ss to me I am unwilling to help them at all or to go beyond the absolute minimum. Everyone should show atleast a little respect to everyone even if it is just opening a door for a lady or an elder.

  6. FYI, William Shatner is a Jew and is fine not attending the funeral of Leonard Nimoy. Jewish funerals require burial within 3 days so these events are hastily pulled together and people are often caught in the midst of other engagements. Thus there is a mourning ritual conducted by close relatives that one can attend locally and support the living. Shatner said he would attend one of these and that is fine.

    Attending to the dead is a separate commandment and upon the death of her mother, my wife joined our local group that attends to the dead. I have done the same, reading Psalms for the dead in a darkened mortuary all alone. It was fine, but not a job for everyone.

    Leonard Nimoy, of blessed memory, was raised as an Orthodox Jew, the son of Ukrainian immigrants and I think he was a cohen, a male descendant of Aaron, the High Priest. (Yes… Jews keep track of that.) Yiddish was his first language. My sense is that he didn’t like Orthodoxy and left it as a teen.

    When he was cast in the TV show, Star Trek, he was asked to improvise an alien greeting. Being a cohen, he used a modified version of the Priestly Blessing (Numbers 6:23-27) … spreading his fingers in a W-like letter, representing the Hebrew “shin”. This letter appears on the mezzuza that is nailed to the doorposts of a Jewish home. The letter represents one of the names of God usually translated as “the Almighty” although it has no good translation.

    Just so you know.

    Alex Shrugged

    • One other thing, Shatner said he was in the midst of a charity event. In a Jewish context that should have covered it. One is excused from one commandment if he is in the midst of performing another. Once he completes that commandment he should run to do the next, which seems to be what Shatner did.

      • Thanks but anyone giving Shatner BS over this really doesn’t warrant a response.

        • There is a sort of logic that Jews use that appear mysterious to others so I was providing the logic behind that decision. I doubt Shatner was overtly reasoning things out. It is cultural inertia.

  7. I would also like to say something concerning Star Trek. I hope we don’t have to have World War III to get our collective @sses inline that we should work together for the betterment of our planet and mankind. So WE (everyone on Our planet) ALL can go where no one has gone before.

  8. Regarding “slavery” and the cognitive dissonance of Europeans as slaves…

    slave – noun; a person held in servitude.

    Etymology: [Middle English “sclave”] a Slav held in servitude, [Old Russian “Slovene”], East-Slavic group near Novgorod, Slovutich Dupiner River, [Serb “Slavinca”], a river.

    The Novgorod Republic was “free” in the sense that most of the land was in the hands of 15 or so private owners, and the peasants were free to roam about as soon as they paid off their debt… just as an old time coal miner in the United States was free to leave his job as soon as he paid off his “company store” debt… that is… “Saint Peter don’t you call me ’cause I can’t go. I owe soul to the company store,” as the old song “16 Tons” goes. See video link of Tennessee Ernie Ford singing “16 Tons” of Number 9 Coal.

    Alex Shrugged

      • Christians believe Jesus is God, and that this belief is the absolute central pillar of their faith. Muslims believe that Jesus was a Prophet, but not God and that saying is is God is blasphemy.

        Whether you are agree with one, the other, or neither, they’re not the same. And claiming they are the same shows a deep lack of understanding of both.

        • No the GOD is the same. Just like Jews don’t believe Jesus was the son of God but believe in the same God you do. So your contention then is the God of the Jew is also not the God of the Christian right?

    • Read this, “The Holy Bible teaches that God cannot be tempted by evil and neither tempts anyone with evil; evil being understood as referring to immorality and sin. James 1:13 (c.f. Psalm 5:4-5; Habakkuk 1:13) ”

      Wow done right there! Whoever wrote this is hoping you will believe what he says because you want to. Any God that could wipe out most of the planet because he was angry, harden harts and gamble with a mans soul doesn’t pass that test.

    • “A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion, still.”

      — An old proverb from Dale Carnegie but it is older than Carnegie.

      God has many names. Anyone who reads the original texts soon comes to realize this.

      Jewish authorities have determined that Muslims believe in God. The name “Allah” is simply the Arabic name for God and Maimonides (Rambam) used this name for God when when he was writing in Arabic. Since Muslim tradition compels Muslims to quote the Koran in Arabic, the name Allah is appropriately used in that context.

      Skimming the web site you provided, Chris, has convinced me that the Koran is different from the Holy Scriptures… but so is the New Testament. Thus using the same logic, I could “prove” that the God that Christians worship is not the same God who revealed Himself to Abraham and later, Moses. But I am willing to let Christians be Christians. I have enough trouble trying to convince Jews that following Judaism would be a good idea.

      I often feel like Gandhi when asked what he thought of Western Civilization, replied, “I think it would be a very good idea.” 🙂 I think Jews following Judaism would be a very good idea. Christians following Christianity and Muslims follow Islam and so forth would be good ideas.

      Seek out your designated local religious authority for an opinion before you listen to some guy on the Internet. (I’m a guy on the Internet!) Getting an official opinion is usually a good first step.

    • Regarding a God who hardens a man’s heart… there is a good explanation for this that satisfies me.

      [A very long biblical discussion mercifully withheld for space.]

      It all boils down to what does “harden” mean?

      Strong’s Concordance #2388

      chazak — to fasten upon: hence to seize, to be strong, (figuratively… to make courageous, strengthen, cure, repair, fortify….) to be of good courage, to harden, fortify, encourage, hold fast…

      OK, This word is used in association with hardening Pharaoh’s heart, helping to fortify Pharaoh’s heart and give him courage to what purpose? God brings Ten Plagues upon Egypt. Any one of them would be enough to frighten the living snot out of anyone. So God strengthens Pharaoh’s heart so that he can make a decision based on what he thinks rather than out of panic and fear. God restores Pharaoh’s free will.

      This is not a religious forum. I went through this exercise to illustrate that English translation tends to mislead the reader because it adds meanings that are not in the original text or hides important meanings.

      It is not the fault of the translator (or not much). It is the reader’s responsibility to look up these words and make sure they understand what was originally meant before acting on it.

      I apologize in advance for any embarrassment I might cause Jack or anyone else. I am willing for everyone to continue on believing whatever they wish… but Dr. James Strong (1822–1894) was a Christian, a Methodist scholar. If you don’t trust him then select some other concordance that you do trust and look these words up.

      I think it is important.

      I have thought out my position using logic, reason and the resources available (and assuming that God exists and has communicated His will to us through the Holy Scriptures more-or-less intact). What everyone else does is up to them.

      Alex Shrugged

    • Regarding “deceiving”… the story of Jacob is filled with deceptions all the way to Joseph deceiving his brothers and then revealing, “I am Joseph, your brother!”

      Jacob is considered a prophet. So is Joseph. If G-d had any problem with these deceptions, He would have said something to them. Apparently He did not.

      I don’t like placing limits on what G-d can or cannot do. G-d has promised to limit Himself and that’s fine. I trust Him to do so. However, His mind is not my mind and His goals are not always my goals. I do my best to mold my actions to fit His plans or my perception of what His plans might be, but I really don’t know and He is not consulting me.

      His only communication to me comes through the first 5 books of the Bible known as the Torah and the rulings of the Great Sanhedrin. If anything disagrees with these, then there is a long discussion so that it comes to agree, somehow. At times it really is a long discussion.

    • Regarding G-d leading one into temptation… I recall the L-rd’s Prayer where one beseeches G-d NOT to lead one into temptation. If it is impossible for G-d to deceive and tempt, then this is a prayer said in vain and we are not allowed to use G-d’s Name in vain (from a Jewish perspective).

      I am not a Christian so I can’t answer this question definitively. Perhaps it is a glitch in the translation. Let’s look at Strong Concordance… the Greek this time…

      Greek #3986

      pirasmos – from #3985… to test, entice, to discipline, to proof by experiment. (implies “temptation”).

      So… according to the New Testament text, G-d tests the faithful… in a sense, tempting them.

      I don’t know what to say. Please check with your trusted local religious authority for an official explanation.

      Regarding the Arabic of the Koran, I don’t know what word they are using for “deception”. I don’t have a concordance for the Koran, but any technical discussion between translations is fraught with difficulties and misunderstandings. No credible scholar would engage in such an endeavor. He would go to the original texts.

  9. As a Trekkie, I highly enjoyed Jack’s tribute to the late Leonard Nimoy. My former neighbor, Gardner Goldsmith (what a great name), wrote scripts for Voyager and also posted a tribute yesterday (3/2) with fascinating details like the influence of Ayn Rand on Spock’s character, human nature, duality and his experiences working at Star Trek. (Jack- I introduced you to Gard at Liberty Forum 2013). There were a few libertarians/anarchists writing scripts for the series spin-offs.
    Perhaps the most overtly liberty themed Star Trek is the movie Star Trek of Gods and Men, which was a gift from the original cast for their fans and not well promoted. Many fans don’t know about it: In the movie, Spock and Uhura (whose name means “Freedom” in Swahili) lead Vulcan efforts to secede from the Federation, which has become a totalitarian, “ruling through fear and violence”.

  10. A thought occurs to me that several problems in the world are feedback loops. Where the wrong solution is used on a problem and it ends up expanding the problem it was supposed to solve. Health insurance, herbicides, gov programs, drug addiction etc all seem to follow this pattern. I wonder if there is a general solution to the pattern?

  11. I pledge allegiance….
    to the Constitution of the United States of America
    And to the REPUBLIC for which it stands.
    One nation,
    Under God
    With Liberty and Justice for ALL.

  12. Hey Jack, regarding the joke that “they still have a black woman answering the phones,” let us remember that Star Trek was also famous for being the first American series to show an inter-racial kiss.

  13. This might be the best podcast I’ve ever had the privilege to hear. Thanks for saying so many things that so desperately need to be said.

  14. Jack,

    You knocked it out of the park with this one. I enjoyed your thoughts about Leonard Nimoy and Star Trek. However it was the extended piece about social capital that I really found inspiring. This was the first time I’ve heard this addressed, and it’s so important. Thank you for getting me thinking about this.

    I’ve been listening sporadically to TSP for several years, and it’s when you go into the topics that aren’t traditionally survivalist that I get the most out of it. I’m not likely ever to move out to the country, or have much more than a small garden. I’m am member of a small hoa, and I’ll probably never own a gun (Gasp!). Despite this, TSP frequently covers topics that I find inspiring and useful, and I think many things that you talk about are things that everyone would do well to spend time thinking about regardless of the particulars of the lifestyle that they choose. Thank you for what you do.


    The Handbook of Human Ownership – A Manual for New Tax Farmers
    by Stephan Molyneux

    While I find some of what Molyneux puts out to be rather obnoxious, he does now and then have moments of great brilliance. The handbook is one of those.

  16. Jack you referred to someone as irrational who would make two specific statements in your podcast. I have to disagree with your analysis. That statement is listed below along with my analysis.

    “Here’s another irrational thing: Well I don’t want our tax dollars paying for birth control for all these people. The same person, do you know what they said yesterday? They said: I wish all these people on welfare would quit squirting out babies.”

    I’m sure that there are some who would make those two statements because of some bias towards people in a specific situation. However, a person who believes that the individual should take responsibility for their own lives and their actions could make the same statement and I don’t believe it could be considered irrational. In fact it would be very rational.

    You’ve quoted the Prime Directive of Permaculture before on your podcast: “The only ethical decision is to take responsibility for our own existence and that of our children” it’s not only rational but I would say it’s probably a core belief of libertarians as well – personal responsibility.

    Let’s take the first statement: “I don’t want our tax dollars paying for birth control for all these people”. That’s a perfectly rational statement if you believe that individuals should take responsibility for their lives and actions. The use of our reproductive system is and should be our responsibility as the natural end to which the system exists is the (re)production of another human life. If I choose not to act responsibly why would it be irrational for taxpayers not to want to pay for birth control. Expecting taxpayers to foot the bill for birth control because I chose not to act responsibly is akin to someone who chooses not to work and at the same time expects taxpayers to provide them with food and housing. In both situations the taxpayer is penalized because of the irresponsible act of an individual.

    As to the second statement: “I wish all these people on welfare would quit squirting out babies.” I would assume one would make this statement knowing that in the current system the more children one has who is on welfare the more taxpayer money they are given. I know the reasoning for giving more money is rooted in the desire to provide for the child however it can also become an incentive to have more children. If this wasn’t offered then the individual on welfare would realize that the more children they have the less money there would be available for themselves and the rest of their family, or at least I would hope so. This brings us back to personal responsibility. One who is already in a less than desirable situation should recognize and act with even more responsibility knowing that an additional child would increase the burden upon themselves and their family. This could be as simple as using something like natural family planning to only have sex during that period when their wife is not fertile or if they so desire purchase birth control for themselves. Is this too much to expect or ask for? Is it irrational? Personally I think it’s a very rational thing to expect.

    So, is it then irrational for someone to make both statements if they expect individuals to take responsibility for their lives and that of their children? I don’t think so.

      • Why?

        You laid it out in a false dichotomy as if there is only one or the other. A rational person is totally capable of both not wanting to pay for birth control or babies.

        It’s called wanting others to pay for their own birth control or their own babies. I keep what I earn and I use what I earn to pay for my decisions. You keep what you earn and you use what you earn to pay for your decisions, whether you’re deciding to by a box of condoms or pay for a child. There is nothing irrational about that and I’m pretty shocked you can’t see that.

        It only appears irrational when you lay it out as if there are only two available choices, either having my money taken to pay for others birth control or having my money taken to pay for others children. When you realize that there are plenty of other options, such as them not having sex, or using their own money to pay for condoms or babies, it stops being irrational.

        My money for my choices, your money for your choices. That is rational.

        • Yep you are irrational, because YOU WANT THE STATE PAYING FOR THE THINGS YOU WANT.

        • The “Reply” button to your reply to me is not available. I wonder why. But I’ll just reply here.

          “Yep you are irrational, because YOU WANT THE STATE PAYING FOR THE THINGS YOU WANT.”

          I a literally the opposite of what I said. Like word for word opposite. You completely and utterly sidestepped every word I wrote so that you could yell your debunked assumption. And this coming from a guy who loves to talk about challenging ideas and how deplorable it is to be an easily offended teacup. Jack, you’re a really smart man and I’ve learned a lot from you. But damn you sure do get really emotional when anyone dare challenges anything you say. Kinda sad really.

        • So you are cool with the state stopping the payment for roads, schools, imposing the right wing agenda, ect.?????