Episode-1037- Listener Feedback for 12-10-12 — 23 Comments

  1. Regarding the hero who was fired:
    While in general I agree that taking action is laudable, I also do not blame the company for adhering to their in-place policies as what the employee did had a likelihood of having a much different, less desireable outcome. I think this employee got lucky that when he confronted the robber the robber didn’t shoot the manager.
    I’d really like to see the facts around how many robbery’s presented with compliance ended good or bad vs. the good and bad endings when the robber is confronted.
    That said, I’d hire the guy, but then all my employees would be encouraged to carry and there will be a gun in the safe.

    • While I see where you are coming from, I have to say that we cannot keep looking at things through the lens of ‘least desirable outcome’. I could have had a ‘less desirable outcome’ while crossing the street at the light. We don’t (if we are smart) rely entirely on the crossing light, we also watch for oncoming traffic, as people will run red lights, etc. So relying on the word or actions of an individual who has already shown that he cannot/will not obey the common laws of society is not to be trusted or relied upon to make a rational decision on whether of not to harm someone during a robbery. If more people were willing to take the stand that this gentleman did and stand by our fellow citizens, we would get just that much closer to ‘every citizen a sentinel’ while at the same time sending a message to criminals that their actions will not be tolerated. Criminals are not afraid of the law or going to jail. If so, then there would be very little recidivism. Criminals are generally just really stupid people, and I refuse to rely on the judgement of a stupid person. I applaud this gentleman for taking a stand and hope that more people will take the right message from his actions and act as sentinels for their fellow citizens.

      • “As many times as people walk away, just as many times they don’t.” Absolutely not true.
        Stores get robbed here in New England on a weekly basis & nobody gets killed. The thieves are almost always found by the POLICE, who are trained to use weapons.

        “This man saved his manager’s life.” Nah, this man put his manager’s life in danger & lucked out.
        Was this ex-Autozone employee trained with his weapon, or was he just some guy who uses his gun to compensate for his small dick? Could he hit the broad side of a barn? If I’m that manager with a gun to my head, I’d sure hope so. Otherwise, he should stay out of it, because the robber is most likely going to take the money & leave.

        While Autozone’s reaction isn’t pretty, they did what they had to do. I don’t fault them for it.

        • @Mike you are completely clueless! I can tell you that many times the “guy that only wants money” ends up shooting the person who fully complied. When a man has a gun in your face and promises you anything compliance may be necessary but if you take him at his word you are a complete fool. Why the hell should I trust a man who points a gun at me and threatens to kill me to keep his word? Your mind is wrapped in normalcy bias deeply! I guess you just can’t get your head around it but some people will kill you just because.

          It is real for me, my grandfather was held up at one time. Guys asks for the money, he complies, the guy takes aim and the old man brings his should up to cover his head as he tries to get away. That saved his life, he took the shot in the arm, bullet stayed in him for the rest of his life. So he takes off running and falls, the guy runs up and tries to shoot him in the head. Fortunately the gun was a cheap ass 25 auto and jammed, the guy kicked him in the back, tried to fix the gun and kept trying to kill him. By then people were stopping in cars and all the the bastard ran away.

          So you go believing the guy only wants money if you want to. I promise you this if some son of a bitch puts a gun in my face or someone I love I may feign compliance but give me one second of opportunity and the bastard is dead, because I don’t trust a violent asshole who has already threatened to kill me and has the ability to, not to do so even if he gets what he has asked for.

          You sir live in Disney Land, were even bad guys are not that bad.

        • The feeling is mutual, Darby. Don’t come busting in the room with a gun when a robber has a gun to my head & only wants money.

  2. Great show as always Jack! I have to say ditto on working for yourself being the well worth the effort and better than anything in the corporate or job market. I had to chuckle when you said you sometimes have bad dreams about having a job! I have those sometimes too! They are scary!

      • Make that 3. It’s been 26 years since I last worked in a machine shop and I still dream that I forgot to punch in and how the hell do I convince the foreman I was there on time.
        I’ve been thinking for the last few years that it may be a built in guilt trip for not having to punch in like most other people still do.
        Maybe I just need to install a time clock out in the greenhouses.

    • I also have panik attacks everytime I here the churp of a nextel. Thank God I don’t here those much anymore. Call it Post Job Distress Disorder!

    • Yes, me too!! I laughed out loud when Jack said that. It’s been 15 years now that I’ve been self employed; and I still dream about being back at my old job in corporate America. Every time I wake up from one of those I just say “whew!”

  3. @Modern Survival-

    I’m glad that Ben got you hooked on ACRES USA. I mentioned it to you about a year ago, but for whatever reason it didn’t stick. I’m really interested in Mark Shepard’s style of farming and plan on studying it in more detail. ACRES is also it’s own publisher with farmer/authors, and Mark is no exception. He has a new book that came out last week:

  4. The entrepreneurship portion of your show gave me an idea.

    Consider a different marketing angle for those who have taken a PDC and want to market their services to customers who will be open to it.

    Here is your demographic:

    Hunters who own land and want to provide habitat for wildlife that consists of cover and food sources.


    Owners of Hunting ranches who would like a design that includes highly nutritious plantings that will grow trophy sized game with minimal inputs.

    It should be easier to market to these types of folks. They should be more open to permaculture ideas.

    If you play your cards right you might just end up with a contract where you not only design the ranch or ferrel land for a fee, but you also go in and harvest the excess. You could even sell your management services to the same client and have an ongoing contract. You could end up farming for a living and not actually own or lease a single acre of land.

    There is a whole lot more that could be said on this, much more than is prudent to post here but maybe Jack could elaborate on another entrepreneur theme podcast.

    • You hit an interesting point that reminds me of a segment of a Greg Judy book. Greg leases (and owns) land in MO for grazing beef cattle. He manages the land so well, that one of the natural consequences is that the deer population surges and produce fat, trophy animals. His landlords won’t even consider leasing the property out to any other farmers because they love to hunt, and can now lease excess hunting areas out at a premium. So he’s paying them to lease the land, which in essence pays them again because of his grass management and the deer. Permaculture pays dividends many times over.

    • Thank you Darby, and Jack!

      I am hoping some PDC graduates take that idea and run with it. There is so much opportunity and land that could be put under the great managment ideas of permaculture.

      And there is big money in hunting. Enough to give permaculture an extra shot in the arm as it goes mainstream.

  5. No need to single out autozone here, good chance the other corp parts stores (and most stores in general) have a similar policy.

    • And when they act on it they can go on my shit list as well. It is that simple. The action is unacceptable.

    • Well, Autozone is the guilty party in this case and the story was pretty wide spread- even appearing on the Drudge Report.

      That said, I wish Jack wouldn’t tweak to the choir on things like this. I really hate it when he yells. It’s not like the CEO of Autozone is tuning in, right?

  6. TexasWolf–thank you for the great remarks. I too grow weary of all the yes……..but folks, that try to be politically correct with every statement. Either you are for the hero and former Autozone employee, or you are not. I am absolutely for him. He was interviewed Sunday by Tom Gresham, and I wanted to cheer when he said, “if I could do it over, I would do it again, no regrets, I will find another job”. Tom has a podcast, and you can listen to the interview.

  7. Regarding the 2030 shift – In the article it states “You have a huge problem on the resource side,” Burrows said. “How do you manage all this prosperity that is putting a lot of strain on the resources?”… The solution to resource shortages will have to be public and private sector cooperation, Burrows said. “
    “At the same time, though, communications technology is shifting political power from nations “toward multifaceted and amorphous networks that will form to influence state and global actions,” the report says.”
    I read that as code for “we need increased fascism”. Our (the US) great depth of resources is going to need to be “managed” for the “global good” by multinationals, especially since “Total non-financial debt across G-7 countries has doubled since 1980 to 300 percent of GDP”. The governments are proving themselves (deliberately ?) incapable of managing their own affairs/resources. A “trustee(s)” will need to step in and manage the rest of the inheritance before it’s squandered.
    A “black swan” for Agenda 21? 🙁