Episode-1507- Listener Feedback for 1-28-15 — 42 Comments

  1. Recycling the remains through a scavenger is a whole lot easier than hot composting.

    It’s the reason I raise both pigs and chickens.

    I also know a guy who has a catfish pond he feeds scraps to during the warmer half of the year.

  2. On the students defending themselves with cans…..finally some sense!

    Whilst far from ideal – the ideal being that no one goes into schools shooting people – a measure that attempts to solve a problem by putting some responsibility back in the hands of the individual is positive.

    Would you prefer a school board having a variation of SWAT team at its disposal because that is how these minor, petty and authoritarian arms of government would invariably crack this particular nut.

    If one child thinks “holy shit, my safety is ultimately up to me?!” thats a lesson worth learning.

    Again not pleasant, but is a better to hear on the news that
    “7 children aged 8-9 were killed cowering in a corner as their teach tried to shield them”


    ” 25 children aged 8-9 & their teacher beat a suspected gunman unconscious, using chairs, tables, books & cans of soup”

    • I couldn’t agree more! Jack’s thoughts on this were right on! Every idea I’ve heard from both sides, up til tonight, was flawed at best, but this could actually work.

      The ideal of no active shooter situation at schools seems like a lifetime ago, but it really wasn’t that long ago. I can’t help but wonder what changed? Why have schools of the 21st century become post offices of the 20th century.

  3. Jack, loved the can of beams defense. I’ve never laughed so hard visualizing an active shooter being pelted with 30 cans of beans then getting the shit kicked out of him by the kids!

    Also, I noticed that your accent changes from a Texas twang to an east coast harsh when you go into a rant. Love it!!!

  4. I keep hearing you bring up ducks so I have to bring up our solution for clean duck ponds and fresh salad.. In a word, DUCK-A-PONICS! We raised fish and veggies for 10 years using aquaponics. In the end fish fed feed always are high in omega 6 fatty acids and causes inflammation responses. Due to sensitivity and health problems we has to stop eating farmed fish. The garden can only eat so many fish. After finding how healthy free ranged duck eggs are and how much omega 3 fatty acid they have we chunked the fish and started raising ducks. Best part is they get 80% of their food on their own! Low feed bill and we get more eggs from the ducks than we ever got from our chickens; and no more October tilipia cleaning days filleting 600 fish, trying to beat the fall temps before a fish die off.

    So, anyway back to the clean duck water.. The aquaponics gravel beds filter out the ducks poo water very well and grows greens and fodder for goats and us. There is a lot more gunk than fish. It breaks down into a wonderful aerobic humans that is scraped off before new seed plantings and placed in the herb garden. Kang Kong or water spinach grows 40 pounds every week when temps are over 95. So we get a LOT of greens and the water returns back to the pond with an aerating splash as much cleaner water. It never smells and even algae is not a problem so long as there are enough plants growing in the gravel. Our pond is 3 foot deep in the center and 13 feet in diameter. The grow bed consist of a 900 gallon blue stock tank from tractor supply. Its filled with A mix of 1/4″ and 3/8″ river gravel. This is enough for 10 ducks. It so much fun to watch the ducks go bottom up and disappear under the water to come rocketing out the other side of the pond in pure glee. So it also produces shared joy, a very therapeutic bonus to our health! Now, one last free benefitting factor. The pond water is amazing on garden and pasture fertility! Once a year we have to pump it out and clean out the many eggs in the bottom. Seems ducks will pop them out in the water when young and if and egg is bad they will walk the egg over to the water and kick it in.

    Hope, someone might find this info useful..

  5. Israeli teachers carry M16’s and no kid has ever walked in and committed suicide with it or tried to massacre other students. No matter how deranged tthese mass shooters are, they always have some incling of an escape plan hidden somewhere in their head. Reality based humans may realize they will never give you a fully fueled 747 but that does suggest a desire to live. Even the vast majority of “crazy” people will go elsewhere when presented with certain death. Any teacher willing should be professionally trained and encouraged to carry every school day. Laws forcing people to be sheep protect no one.

  6. The “cans of veggies” discussion has been entertaining the last few weeks. At first, I LMAO but then I came around to “well, at least they are giving the kids SOME sense of self preservation” which is better than the “hide and wait to die” advice. But I still feel this is futile as an actual, realistic defense. Teaching the kids self defense and responsibility is good but…..

    Madman enters classroom. Kids start throwing cans of corn at the insane madman. I assume each kid would have one can, maybe two? Madman immediately closes the door, then fires a few shots THROUGH the door, or just fires wildly into the room at the kids.

    The overwhelming sound itself is something most have never experienced (especially indoors) and scares the living s*** out of them – more than they already are. Teenagers and teachers included. Everyone cowers in fear. Madman continues his rampage.

    Sorry, but that’s how I see that playing out. Kids pummeling a murderous madman to death with cans of beans, then beating him and biting him into submission is just ridiculous to me. I can’t believe I heard this today. [facepalm]

    Like I said, it’s good that they are instilling SOME sense of self defense as a life lesson, that’s a start, but come on man…..this is not a legitimate self defense. It MIGHT slow a madman down for a second or two, but this talk of the kids attacking and beating and biting the insane killer to submission? Reminds me of those who said that a girl being raped should simply urinate on the rapist. Please…

    We have a local Sheriff Deputy on site at our k-12 school all day. His truck is prominently parked right outside the front door. The Deputy is in the school all day. We have less than 400 kids in the entire school. I’m sure bigger schools can afford to hire at least one armed guard per 400 students as well. That’s up to their union I guess.

    Knowing an armed Sheriffs Deputy is in the building is much larger deterrent than cans of veggies.

  7. I was thinking that the cans is a great idea, but could also serve as a initial distraction. They should put an American Flag in each room and tip the pole like a spear point. (or design it where one can be quickly screwed on upon an alert sounding) Then as the intruder is smacked with cans and recovering, the teacher can surprise attack by spear point. Would be a good combination of mob type attack and using surprise attack in your favor.

    • I don’t understand this “cans as initial distraction” and I’m not picking on [cooper] who just wants to add in some pole arms into the mix, but I grew up with two kids who commonly threw ice balls with insane accuracy and devastating destructive force. At age twelve, one hit me with a snowball hard enough for me to loose color vision for several minutes. One became a HS pitcher with short bursts of accurate 90+mph fast balls, but he was only good for an inning at best before his arm wore out, and he was the slow one, but if either of these guys past age ten hit you with a can of soup anywhere on your body, you will not just be “distracted” you will be in serious pain. If you are hit in the head, you may not ever get up.
      A 100mph baseball pitch has almost as much energy as a .22, but a can of soup weighs three to four times as much, but is probably thrown at only half the speed, so if we keep those BS numbers, 1/2 speed, four times weight, we end up with the same overall energy. And I realize getting hit with a .22 is not always fatal, I would think it is more than just distracting. The idea of entering a room where I could get hit with thirty .22s is sobering. Heck even if they miss, that is distracting and it only takes one to get lucky and game over.
      I just Googled and found that 10 year olds are throwing softballs at almost 50mph. I bet they could do better with a soup can.
      I will be starting my daughter on a classic sling in the spring. Just some string, a bit of leather and a couple golf balls. Nothing too scary right?

      • Yep you get it, it isn’t that it will work because nothing will definitely work every time. Teacher is armed but teacher misses, catches the first bad guy round, what ever. Now what?

        Arming teachers, I am all for it if said teacher is willing and able. But folks, what percentage of teachers do you think are will, hell what percentage do you think are even pro 2nd amendment?

        The point is fight back, by any and all means necessary. If anyone has a relatively benign “weapon” that is better then cans of food that we can trust in the hands of every kid in a school, please do tell me what it is.

    • 1st Copper… you understand that we can’t put an American flag in each school room in the USA because that might offend some students.

      2nd… you guys asked for better ideas, here is an email I just wrote to a teacher friend of mine who is one incredibly smart guy, also a sheriff deputy and if allowed he’d be one of the guys who is trained and armed in the classroom. He’s taking a 2 day ALICE course this summer to be ‘certified’ so he can instruct his students on this method of fighting back.
      yeah…well I was thinking about it. I think the can of soup thing is incredibly stupid. Doing a quick calculation, a can of soup, beans or whatever will weigh around .5 pounds (8 oz) give or take a little.

      A baseball weighs 5 to 5.25 oz. the lack of weight might be made up with better speed. The better point is that every kid is pretty much exposed to throwing a baseball either tens or over thousands of times. Its an instinctual throw. Some kids can throw a really wicked fastball. A can of beans is not an instinctual throw. True fact, the world war II hand grenade was made the same size as a baseball just for this reason (not the pineapple grenade, the round one).

      The baseball will probably roll back to the rushing students giving them another throw.

      I think the other option that is much better is a 5oz to 8oz ROCK….rather than a can of soup. But of course the rock might be considered a weapon.


      • Again Steve, anyone is welcome to let me hit them in the face with a can of beans and see how it works out.

      • I was actually at first a bit leary of the idea, but have warmed up to it. Mostly the function stacking reason AND the fact its WAAAAAY better than nothing. It’s also an excellent lesson to learn. The problem (From the schools perspective) is now you’re having students who if they get picked on or attacked they might fight back. (Boy have we not seen this completely poo-pooed today).

        My first reaction was “you’d be surprised how many people can’t throw AT ALL”. My sister as a softball player in High school at 17 years old couldn’t throw a ball to save her life.

        Most kids don’t play with baseballs. If you joined the military you’d know especially how many girls in particular have a hard time throwing. (this just simply isn’t a skill most girls ever work on). I’ve seen too many videos of hand grenades just being dropped or thrown into the pit, very shocking to me, but that is what it is. I’m sure there are quite a few boys in that category as well.

        I might also point out the WW2 analogy is really for a different era. Maybe we should tell them to bring in a wireless PS3 controllers. I’m sure kids can probably throw those (although mostly at the ground).

    • @Steven Harris – I think you’re missing the point with the can of food. The real idea is to function stack. The 1st function is to serve as a backup in case the kid didn’t bring lunch, lunch money etc. The 2nd function is to serve as a lesson in charitable service. At the end of the year, the children gather their cans and donate them to the local homeless shelter. The 3rd function, is to act as an impromptu weapon if there is an active shooter situation at the school where escape is not possible. In that situation hiding and hoping to not be discovered is the only option. If discovered, the only option is to fight back, and this can help. Of course, in that scenario, the more effective the weapon, the better. But you are talking about children, who on a daily basis are much more likely to have frustrations with other students or their teachers, and will likely never be presented with the active shooter option described.

      • I work with my father, and I mentioned this conversation and got to listen to a 45 minute+ rant about his school days. Bottom line is he feels that a lot of the kids that he went to school with would use anything, especially a large can of soup as a weapon. Therefore he feels that if he were back there now, he’d still rather take his chances with the extremely unlikely event of an active shooter than have the daily threat of someone behind him with a can. By the way, my father is actually fiercely conservative and a strong 2nd Amendment supporter, so that’s not it at all.
        It’s an interesting perspective, and I agree with the sentiment somewhat, but I still maintain that if you find attending a school to be that much of a threat to your children, it’s time to find a different school.
        So I separate out that issue in my mind, because if I don’t trust the school or teachers to create a safe and healthy working and learning environment, I don’t trust them with my child at all, and the rest is irrelevant because I’m already moving on to the next school.

        In regards to the divide of the baby boomers from the millenials… I’ve heard many times that the problem is that the millenials won’t listen. I have 45 minutes of my work day that I’ll need to make up this weekend that disagrees with that sentiment

        • If you’re afraid of students hitting eachother with cans, then why have dangerous things like chairs and books in schools.

        • @Lukkas, @Modern Survival
          Thanks, I’m not having a great day, and that just made me genuinely laugh.

          It really can get ridiculous really fast if you let it. But, if you just follow some basic logic of not allowing you or your child to be put in obviously dangerous situations, a lot of problems solve themselves.
          I, and a lot of people in my circle, were placed on a “hitlist” by a weirdo in my high school my senior year. I was always nice to the guy, had no conflict with him, but I was co-captain of my team, honors student, hung out with the cheerleaders etc. and apparently that was enough. I was informed by police & school officials that he had access to assault rifles and was planning on bringing them to school one day, and that they were planning on arresting him at the scene. Do you know what I, and everyone else on his hitlist did? We didn’t go to school that day, and let the police do their job. Simply put, it was more dangerous to be at school, than to not, and therefore that was a day we missed.
          It’s not always that easy, but it was that day.

  8. Hey Jack, thanks for doing the plant of the day! Last year my TSP-inspired project was to learn how to garden, and that went fantastically well. This year will be fruit! I already have two nice spots laid out for vines and bushes, and now I am hunting for a spot for trees like this. The flowers on those nectarines are beautiful!

  9. We bury the guts, head, feathers, and feet (keep the heart, kidney and liver for fishing). We use a fence post hole digger and drop them in the hole then cover up. That might not be possible on Jacks land, but I figure its improving the quality of our soil.

  10. The kids don’t really even have to have cans. A barrage of heavy school books would be likely to have the same result, especially when you throw them edgewise.

    • @Les, so you are saying if someone was going to shoot you if you didn’t stand and take it.

      And I was going to throw something at you.

      And you got to pick between a math book and a can of wolf chili.

      That you would choose the wolf chili?

      Somehow I doubt it!

      FWIW the initial training WAS DONE with books, pencils, etc. The idea to use cans came later.

      • Do you ever think that one of the reasons kids don’t meet our expectations is because we decide there not up to the task without giving them a chance to prove us wrong. Very unruggedly self reliant.

        So because we think they won’t throw beans well or they are to scared or its the wrong thing to throw we give them nothing all we can do is shake our heads and wish for a time when kids were tough and could throw and would have their .22 on the bus.

        It’s something and think of the lesson about situational awareness, improvising, assessing threat etc that a humble can of beans could teach.

        • Indeed, I see it even with my wife. Our grandson was playing educational games and she was correcting him when he tried to answer incorrectly before he did. I snapped “will you let that kid fail so he can learn to succeed”.

          To her credit, “gradma which one” after that was answered with, “you can do it, just try”.

          But this is what we do, don’t let them fail, assume they can’t do X.

          We have lost so much in our attempt to make everything safe and perfect. When I was a kid on non school days I was in the woods or the park for 7-10 hours a day either alone or with just other kids. In that environment we figured out what we could and could not do. Sometimes we got hurt but if we didn’t die or end up in the hospital a bit of peroxide (mecurcome if your granny got to you, OUCH and it doesn’t work) and a band aid or an ice pack and back to it.

  11. The stoolers nation part sucked. Hope the inbred towel wavers never win another game.

    NOTE FROM JACK – If you would like to be banned from commenting at TSP this is how to do it. This has nothing to do with me having my team insulted but the childish verbal assault of “inbred towel wavers” is clearly just for the sake of being an asshole.

    I don’t allow such behavior, this commenter has been banned.

    If anyone considers this “censorship of free speech” you need to learn what free speech is, I suggest you begin with section four here,

    If Skopionsting wants to let me know this was simply poor humor and apologize, I will lift the ban.

    • Isn’t this whole show basically about NOT turning on one another?

      (That being said, it would be really awesome if the Hawks pull off a Repeat against the most recent team to do it. Sort of a passing-the-torch moment.)

      • Insults for the sake of insults get one thing around here, BANNED. Good bye skopionsting.

  12. Late comment on colored diamonds.

    About 20 years ago when I had more money than brains I purchased (I knew nothing about gems and was led to believe it was a good preservation of wealth) a blue diamond, .43ct, deep blue color, flawless clarity, excellent cut, GIA certified. Cost to me was middle 5 figures. About a 6 months ago I decided selling would be good idea. So I did some online work, saw what the prices of comparable ones were going for (high 5/low 6 figures) and thought I had made a nice gain. Then tried to sell. I was advised by multiple dealers the only place to handle a transaction of this nature in North America was through the diamond sellers in New York. They weren’t going to offer the prices seen online. I would be selling to them at a 37% discount if I did it on a commission basis, no sale no money to me. A 48% discount if I sold outright. I was looking at a small gain of 9%, not so good over 20 years. As Jack said colored diamonds are not liquid. With the retail mark up the price you pay is not even close the price you get if you sell. Think buying a car, as soon as you put your money down on a new car the money is lost.

    • My dad briefly traded in diamonds 20 years ago and mentioned there was a standard 800% markup on jewelry. He said it was heart breaking how engagements would fail and people would try to return the rings only to be offered only 10% of what they paid.

    • @Jim – I’m sorry to hear that. Unfortunately, it sounds like it’s not buying a car, but much worse. The markup on gems just sounds worse than I realized.
      I know nothing about colored gems for investment purposes, but your experience is very interesting to me.
      I’m curious if you looked at finding other ways to make the gem more valuable or liquid. As an example, could it have been used (in terms of cost effectiveness) to make a fancy high end piece of jewelry, and then sold at auction? I know obviously that it could, but if there are costs or risks that make it not worthwhile, then a 37% discount on consignment starts sounding better.

    • Jim,
      Do you still have the diamond and its paperwork? If so, are you still interested in selling it? I’m the guy who sent the e-mail to Jack that spawned this item, so if you are interested in selling the diamond and foward a copy of the paperwork to me, I’ll ask the guys that are interested in selling to me if they are interested in buying from you. Don’t know if it will lead to anything for you, but it might, and it might provide me with some information. Not sure if my comment is authorized here, so I won’t list my e-mail address and will leave it up to a moderator to forward my e-mail address to you (that’s fine with me, Mr. Moderator) or to tell me that I am, or am not, authorized to provide my e-mail address in another comment for your use, if desired.

      • @Baucum – I still have the diamond and paper work. I wanted to sell to buy some land which a neighbor was willing to split off his farm before he put it on the market. Farm has sold, so I no longer need the cash. Not sure what I’ll do with it. Sorry for the long delay in replying, traveling way to much.
        @USCPrepper I was advised by a couple of dealers lose diamonds are better because if it is in a setting a good jeweler can hide flaws by how the setting is designed and the diamond placed in the setting.

  13. I cannot wait to hear more about the project with Mark Shepherd, RAD, and the land in Arkansas. It’s things like these permaculture projects that give me hope for the future 🙂

  14. I took the pig butcher class last fall from Farmstead Meatsmith. It was a great class put on by a great instructor. I can’t speek highly enough about what they do. Great, great people.

    If you come up here to Washington for the class I would love to give you a tour of my log home, that I built by hand.

  15. This comment may be to late, but it’s about the old dam with large trees on it. I have basically a very similar situation, 50-60yr old dam with trees growing on it that you can’t get your arms around. I agree that if the dam is not leaking then the trees should be ok… But if there are large trees at or near the top of the dam wall you need to consider what would happen if a storm where to blow one of those large trees over and what your dam would look like if that huge root system where to tear out of the dam.

  16. I love these kick in the ass episodes. I just have some observations on individualism, especially the personal responsibility side of it. In my life, and in other people I’ve talked to, oddly enough being held accountable by and being provided for by somebody does shit for personal responsibility. It’s hard to articulate, but suddenly there’s room for excuses, you start making decisions based on what the person providing for you wants instead of what you want and it becomes an incredibly unhealthy situation. It’s why I freaking hate living with family.

    When you (all of this could be just me) are on your own, you switch into a different mindset where you see a problem, think through it yourself, and fix it yourself. No other person comes into your mind to fuck up the process. I’m sure part of this is from my shit family, but I think it still holds true in general.

    Btw, the rifle barrel break in reminds me of the cycling industry. Pay an extra $1000 for a bike that weighs a few pounds less, or lose a few pounds. If breaking in the barrel worked for a tiny increase in accuracy, the tiny bit of accuracy would only be relevant to extremely high level competetion shooters.

  17. I know a family who started an alligator farm to go with their chicken farm. Took care of their disposal problem.

    I like our physics teacher who does an exercise with his students, asking them what should we do if there is an active shooter in the school, look around, what can be used as a weapon? How can we depend ourselves? What might incapacitate the shooter? Is there another way out of this classroom? What if you’re in another classroom? What would you do?