Episode-1709- Listener Feedback for 1-14-16 — 25 Comments

  1. RE: Alaska Grow buckets.
    Walmart shopping bag 50 cents each
    5 or 6 foot kiddie pool $9.99
    Earth or potting soil

    Fill bags, place in pool, use hose or more complicated system to keep pool 2-3 inches deep.

    No need for buckets

      • It might sound like that, but there are people having incredible success with it.

        My guess is the water doesn’t freely seep into the bag, but instead wicks into it based on the moisture level of the soil inside.

  2. Is there a transcript for the Occupy BLM segment? Should have been a YouTube video, good going!

  3. Making grow bags from re usable shopping bags is one of the big things Larry Hall does on Youtube. Here is the link to his channel:

    Many other ideas demonstrated as well. Interesting to view and listen to some of his projects. I think you might consider doing an interview with him at some point. I am pretty sure you will get along quite well.

    • Not sure how long you’ve been a TSP fan, but Jack’s reached a point he very rarely ‘considers doing an interview with someone.’

      He’s got a form somewhere that people who want an interview fill out and send to him.

      • True but it ain’t hard to find, there is a great big tab at the top of the site that says guests, ANYONE is welcome to fill it out. We do vet guests and don’t take people who have like a place holder site and are going to do something some day, we tell them to re apply.

        We are also very tough on taking authors especially fiction authors who we have not heard of and who we know do not already know you guys as a community.

        Everyone else, I would day 97% get in.

    • I thought he was on Jacks show many years ago. He originally had buckets on top of rain gutters using a wicking system.

  4. Larry Hall on Youtube does some extensive grow bag videos. Seems to be that he uses stone in the bottom of those pools and the bags sit on top…thus the wicking ability.

  5. Thanks for the Free State Project plug Jack. Obviously we’ll miss you at Liberty Forum this year. I first found your show and reinvigorated my self-sufficient roots after seeing your talk the first time you spoke at LF.

    I second your statement that people who come to the event should spend time talking to the attendees. The speakers are great but the real excitement comes from seeing real people on the ground who are making a difference for liberty – whether by working to actually reduce government interference or by living in or working toward a sustainable and independent life.

    I’ll be part of a panel discussion this year that will focus on the various distributed liberty communities around the state to help give prospective movers an idea of what it is like in each region. I encourage any TSP listeners to come say hi.

  6. The Penn State part of this episode made me think of a really funny YouTube vid I watched a while back.
    Description: Modern Educayshun delves into the potential dangers of a hypersensitive culture bred by social media and political correctness.
    Written and Directed by Neel Kolhatkar.

    Thanks Jack for all your hard work.

  7. Re: Grow bags

    The roots never grow down into the anaerobic layer of the bags. They stop when they get to where it is perfect for them.

    If you think about it, even in the desert, if you go deep enough, you’ll find an aerobic environment.

  8. Thanks for the info from Harney County. I am tired of hearing them referred to as terrorist. Its a very complex issue and like you, I haven’t made up my mind on this one yet, but the press they are getting from both ends of the media is extreme.

  9. It is possible to smother Bermuda grass with sheet mulching. I did it in my yard. I’m not sure if my solution will work for the listener who e-mailed I thought I would share in case anyone else is having problems with it.

    My yard was originally mostly Bermuda grass planted by yours truly. I decided that I didn’t want it anymore since it was a waste of water and also didn’t want to use any chemicals.

    I layered coffee chaff, cardboard, burlap, and hay (then switched to rocks for final decor). If you have coffee roasters around you then you can probably get all of the chaff and burlap sacks you want.

    I made a forum post about my entire back yard transformation that shows the process and a bit more:

    The first Spring after I did this i had a few areas where the Bermuda poked through and after that I’ve had no grass at all and I’m going on 3ish years since I did this.

    • Yea you went full bore and eradicated it. I saw that first garden and was like oh man it is just going to get back in there. There are a few reasons what you did worked.

      1. Looks like you drip irrigate, that starves out the rest and you only fight it in certain spots.

      2. When you say you sheet mulched, you sure did, many layers.

      3. You took it our EVERYWHERE, not just in an orchard surrounded by more.

      4. The rock top layer is a baking layer for a prostrate grass like Bermuda.

      5. The area was relatively small leaving you the ability to be vigilant for first year survivors.

      Amazing transformation by the way.

  10. RE” Malheur

    The thing I object to about the “occupiers” of the Malheur facility is the language implying that the Feds have evicted the landowners from “their” property.

    A very well written article says:

    ” On Aug. 18 1908, he (Pres. Theodore Roosevelt) complied, signing an executive order establishing the 81,786-acre Malheur Lake Refuge, which also encompassed nearby Haney and Mud Lakes, “as a preserve and breeding ground for native birds.”

    Since then, the refuge has expanded by 100,000 acres. In 1935, the Swift Meatpacking Corp. sold 65,000 acres to the federal government, funding for which came from Duck Stamp sales and New Deal monies; over the years, willing sellers added the remaining acres to the refuge’s expanse. Ammon Bundy’s protestations to the contrary, no ranchers were ever evicted from the refuge.”


    I realize that not everything which is written and posted on the internet is true, accurate or even based in reality, so I guess everyone will have to make up their own mind what is real here, but it seems to me that the only eviction has been banning the local residents from from land they had once leased, but that they did not own. While I sympathize with the people in losing their right to use that land, it did not belong to them, and it should not be “given” back to them.

    (Although there seems to be a separate argument that the Constitution prohibits the Federal Government from owning land, there have been Supreme Court rulings which have upheld such ownership. Again, make up your own mind about whether the Feds can own land outside of the limited area of The District of Columbia.)

    Since the adjacent landowners did not own the preserve, or whatever it is properly called, if land is going to be taken away from the Feds, and the Feds properly had title to it, I think the land should distributed equitably among the U. S. Citizens who want it, no matter where they are.

    Occupy Wall Street protesters occupying the land adjacent to City Hall in Dallas, for instance, did not transfer title to that property and it should not result in that in Malheur either. They were forced to leave the property they illegally “occupied”, and the folks at Malheur should be removed as well.

    • I don’t think you understand how much land the BLM keeps encroaching on, it is happening right here in Texas. So I do. In many instances they are taking it without officially taking it. In other words it is ours, you can’t use it but it is still deeded to the land owner who is still paying tax on it. Almost like a lien. Say a family has hard times and decides to sell a ranch, while this is going on they can’t.

      Frankly the more I look at what BLM is doing everywhere, they are the exact sort of “history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states” that led to the Declaration of Independence they were first penned in.

      Frankly if government consistently taking land from people that have owned it and paid taxes on it for over 100 years with no compensation or recourse is not grounds for utilization of the 2nd amendment, what exactly is?

    • My comment was on the Malheur situation. From what I have seen, there has been no taking of land without compensation there, and I researched this for several hours – probably dwarfed by your research, Jack – and I think that the “occupiers” of Malheur are misrepresenting the situation there.

      I cannot comment on other inequitable actions, but I have encountered BLM’s oil and gas regulations, embodied in what I think they call the Gold Book, and walked away from some lucrative opportunities because of those regulations.

      I think it helps to understand each situation by itself. It is quite possible that the situation at Malheur would justify some sort of protest on its merits, but when the situation is misrepresented, it gives me great cause for concern.

    • ” …(Although there seems to be a separate argument that the Constitution prohibits the Federal Government from owning land, there have been Supreme Court rulings which have upheld such ownership. Again, make up your own mind about whether the Feds can own land outside of the limited area of The District of Columbia.) ”
      ….The statement above is an example of why America is in so much trouble…Usurpation, by oath-breaking “officials” placing agendas, opinions, executive orders and wishful thinking a.k.a. “case law” over and on top of THE law of the land….the U.S. Constitution, …which ironically, those same “officials” SWORE an OATH to uphold and defend.
      They need to go back and start here…
      Article VI of the U.S. Constitution:
      All debts contracted and engagements entered into, before the adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.
      This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.
      The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

      Our proclaimed Creator given rights are at the bottom of a literal PILE of unlawful dictates and second permissions by traitorous oath breakers that need to be removed from there positions, and any BS laws that have been fabricated to override The Constitution need to be rescinded…If not, then why do they even bother to swear an oath on it for permission to occupy their positions?

      • One of the parts of the argument for Federal ownership of lands lies in, and has been used as a reason that such ownership is legal.


        “1789 Constitutional Roots

        Challenges to federal ownership of land often originate from county or state claims that the U.S. Constitution and its amendments grant little land-retention authority to the federal government, instead vesting such powers with local governments. Courts have consistently disagreed with this view, however, and the Constitution represents the third and most prominent early document that establishes the legitimacy of federal land ownership.

        The Constitution’s “Property Clause” in Article IV, section 3, reads, “The Congress shall have power to dispose of and make all needful rules and regulations respecting the territory or other property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to prejudice any claims of the United States, or of any particular state.”

        Pointing to this clause, the U.S. Supreme Court has upheld the rights of the United States to hold land in its ownership and control unless specifically directed otherwise by Congress.” (end quotation)

        I am quite sure that legal scholars are more well-informed than I am, about the full impact of that section of the Constitution, but as occurs in other areas, there is a conflict about what the Constitution says or means, and the Supreme Court has ruled on this question and let the above clause stand on several occasions. Accordingly, I have a different view of the ownersip of Federal lands. It might be possible that the particular language would be changed by the current court, but I would doubt it.

        (Sorry for the delay in responding – I had been spending a lot of time watching the Malheur situation, and praying that it would not result in the loss of a lot of lives – or even the one which was unfortunately lost.)

  11. Jack may have made some good points on the Bundy situation, but alot of the consensus on the TSP forum seems to be that as a form of protest it is ineffective because of the presence of guns.

    There was quite a bit of talk on alt news sources that that the occupy movements was a form of controlled opposition and I have heard similar on the BLM protest as well which actually makes sense in some ways

  12. Jack, would you be willing to go to Liberty Forum as well as PV3? I know you’re busy, but I’d love to meet you in a much more liberty oriented state.

    I’d like to go to one of the PV gatherings, but I can’t get over it being in CA and not being allowed to carry there…