@Jack

I agree with your “truths” but I can’t agree that they are truths and not opinion; especially the Salatin quote because it requires a definition of a good person, which absolutely deducts to opinion.

I agree with most of what you say, but when you start declaring truths, I can’t help but disagree with your definition of truth. Nearly anything can be disputed. I’m not going to call you arrogant, because I don’t think you are, but it *might* come across that way sometimes when your truths are declared. I’m guilty of it too, of course. But I suggest you avoid using that label and stick with “opinion”.

Jack, if you keep talking about Bilderberg and going off on antisemitic rants we may have to get you an official tin foil hat lol. Seriously though it is downright depressing that so many adults can not have a conversation that challenges their beliefs. If you really want to see someone squirm familiarize yourself with these tactics and point them out to people. http://logical-critical-thinking.com/logical-fallacy/top-5-logical-fallacies/

Thank for doing this show. I was up all night thinking about what would be the best course of action for us. You gave me some more food for thought the missing pieces so to speak.

Also it is a sad sad day if people that are so like minded like in this community can let small differences drive a wedge between us. If we can’t hold it together then what hope is there?

I’m very guilty of enthusiastically ‘sharing’ a new belief/idea/understanding with others while we’re still in the ‘honeymoon phase’.
(Haven’t lived with it long enough to start noticing its flaws)

@Roundabouts, I don’t think you have to worry about any permanent wedges over disagreements. As a man (can’t speak for the women), I tend to get angry and shoot off my mouth, then I feel stupid and start to reflect, then I come back and apologize and offer to buy the next round of drinks. All I need is a little space/time to stop reacting and start thinking. And fortunately, the older I get, the shorter the amount of time to get through the whole cycle (half the time now I’m calming down before I’m halfway through blowing up.. =)

Jack, if you were referring to the front yard vegetable garden of Julie Bass of Oak Park, Michigan, she was never actually put in jail. The city merely threatened her with jail time for the front yard garden. Then in July of 2011, when her blog (oakparkhatesveggies) brought her plight to international attention, the city began to get inundated with angry phone calls from around the world, some of them including death threats against city officials for being so ridiculous. So in July of 2011, the city dropped their case against her. Jail time never happened for her. (But they most definitely threatened her with jail time, and they were dead serious about it.)

I just listened to most of the episode.

I read the Scott Rittier book before we invaded Iraq and he pointed out that the WMD thing was all false and laid it all out ..

I kind of agree with alot of the analysis on Israel in many ways, but there’s alot of interesting points I could add.

Despite that the British empire kind created Israel and I’ve come to dislike alot of things about the British empire; Israel is a very tiny state as far as landmass goes. Israel was also a nation with pretty much the same boarders going back into ancient times and has it’s own language and alphabet. Hebrew has 22 letters and reads right to left instead of the other way around like many other languages. Hebrew is very close
Phoenician which we are told is the original language. It’s basically the exact same alphabet. People say it is a miracle that hebrew is spoken once again as it fell into disuse for along time.

The ancient Israelites where at war with the Canaanite people who occupied that land previously. According to the scriptures and some archeological evidence, many of these Canaanite tribes engaged in human sacrifice, temple prostitution, and things of that nature. If you look at the idol of Molech that is used at Bohemian grove elite meeting in CA, that is a Canaanite deity and it says in the bible: “do not sacrifice your children to Molech”. At certain times the Jews adopted some of those practices themselves as they never really completely routed out the Canaanites. The prophets give that as a reason that the Jews where thrown out of Israel and had to live in Babylon before they returned to the land and built the second temple. Some people will dispute what I have said about the Canaanites. All of it can’t be absolutely proven or disproved I don’t think. Though there is plenty of evidence, people will believe what they want.

The first temple was built by King Solomon in 957 BC and it was destroyed in 586 BC by an invasion from Babylon as mentioned above. If we look at the history of the Jews, they have been exiled from the state of Israel and returned to Israel a few times. Viewed this way, the current return to Israel is another return of similar nature. This first occurred when they lived as slaves in Egypt. They ended up going to Egypt because of famine, but never left and the newer Pharaohs became oppressive and through Moses they escaped from Egypt and returned to Israel where they had lived previously as nomads descended from Abraham and the patriarchs. After this first return alot of conflicts with the Canaanite people occurred in earnest. I don’t think these Canaanite tribes where anything like the Palestinian Muslims either culturally or religiously and the Palestinians seemed to be in that area through the Muslim empire period. I certainly don’t agree with everything the Israeli government does and the Palestinians have been treated badly in some cases, but neither are they all angels either.

As far as the Mormons; that religion is apparently growing rapidly and they send out missionaries. I don’t think it is growing where I live, but I guess it is growing in other places. I am not sure if Mormons might end up being a majority some day if that is the trend. Jews don’t seem to send out missionaries in that way. I also have the impression that their was some conflicts with Mormons over polygamy. There was polygamy in ancient times amongst the Jews, but that ended along time ago, but with the Mormons it has been more recent and seems connected with history in the USA. There are some differences there, and in some ways Mormons espouse conservative values. There may be some similarities with divide and conquer as Jack alluded to, but I wanted to point out some significant differences.

All governments eventually outgrow or corrupt themselves. It is just a matter of time and distance in the evolution. The rarely seen in history system won for us in 1776 has lasted 236 years to date. The monied elites have a plan, tech and crowd psychology at their disposal, and are using them to the max with great success on the masses. Jack, you are right-on in self-sufficient lifestyle as a goal, while we live day to day as an adventure, not in drudgery and jealous consumerism.
“The purpose of man is to live, not to exist”, ~Jack London

Jack-
Excellent show! The part near the end made me think of my favorite quote from Ayn Rand:
“There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible to live without breaking laws.”
There are so many of these ridiculous laws that I don’t think any of us could withstand detailed scrutiny of every aspect of our lives. Is that muffler on the Harley stock? Did you officially transfer that pistol you got when your grandfather died? I believe it is intentionally done to make us keep our heads down so we are reluctant to speak up lest the eye of Sauron turn its focus towards us!