Episode-2375- Brian Norton on CBDs Effect on Systemic Inflamation

Podcast: Play in new window | Download (0.0KB)

Brian Norton is the founder of CBD Specialty Coffee. A small custom roasting company that offers both CBD Infused Coffee and non infused coffee as well.

His initial entry into the cannabis space was as a medical caregiver and doing genetic development of new clones for specific medicinal needs.

As a caregiver Brian worked with many older patients during their last days and used cannabis to help them with their final days in as much comfort as possible and not totally pumped full of morphine.

He joins us today to discuss the role of CBDs in healing core systemic inflammation issues vs. treating symptoms with prescription drugs. We also discuss the effects of legalizing cannabis on medical patients and CBDs role in addressing that.

We also discuss his business and why he chose to infuse coffee with CBD rather then simply sell the oil and coffee separately.

Resources for today’s show…

Join the Members Brigade
Join Our Forum
Walking To Freedom
TspAz.com
On this Day in 1940 The Lascaux Cave Paintings are Discovered
The Granddaddy’s Gun Club
Bullhead Fishing Forum – A new little site I started
Biltong for Breakfast
Food Forest Farms
CBD Specialty Coffee
Young and Angry Again – Lori McKenna

Sponsors of the Day

Remember to comment, chime in and tell us your thoughts, this podcast is one man’s opinion, not a lecture or sermon. Also please enter our listener appreciation contest and help spread the word about our show. Also remember you can call in your questions and comments to 866-65-THINK (866-658-4465) and you might hear yourself on the air.

Join the MSB Today

Want Every Episode of TSP Ever Produced?

Remember in addition to discounts to over 40 vendors who supply stuff you are likely buying anyway, tons of free ebooks and video content, MSB Members also get every edition of The Survival Podcast ever produced in convenient zip files in blocks of 24. More info on the MSB can be found here.

I would use caution but the body itself makes some THC it is one reason we have a cannabinoid system in the first place. Also as Brian said he uses a distilled CBD that has no THC at all in it. So I would gather that it would be safe.

I have tried a few types, most come with an analysis. Some do have a bit of THC, some by lab results have none. Still will the next batch from the same plants have zero? I don’t think you can really know without use a purified isolated product like Brian infuses his coffee with. I am sure that can be obtained other than in coffee, but I don’t know where or who to trust on it.

This is all a very new thing and caution must be used.

The other side is when and how often do they test. Most jobs I had, well every job I had other than actually being in the Army, you got tested when they hired you. They said they could test you any time but they never did.

Also how do they test, a urine test is not as accurate as a hair test and substances don’t remain in the body as long via urine as they do hair. Given tests are always potentially able to yield a false positive most companies I know of will do a second if the first is positive. They are generally looking for abuse not exposure. As tiny as the THC is in LEGAL products (legal everywhere) if you got popped for a test, instantly stopped by the time the results came back and a second test was given you’d be well clear if it was a URINE test, hair, nope.

This all leads to a bigger point, now that CBD is being legalized and given some small amount of THC that we know doesn’t do shit to a person as far as making them high can be included drug testing is going to need to change. Also cannabis is going to sooner or later become totally legal and what then? Private companies MIGHT be able to keep testing for it, but the government won’t be. How can you discriminate against the use of a legal substance? Now being “high on the job” will be like being drunk on the job but, harder to pin down with cannabis.

My BAC either is or is not elevated, but there is no test I am aware of that can prove medically that I am high right now. Its a can of worms, sorry I don’t have a better answer.

If it were me I likely just would not unless you have a medial need that simply isn’t able to be addressed other wise. I will say I really pushed myself working yesterday, I was in pain, not severe just a total body ache. Where when you lay down you just can’t sleep because you just can’t be comfortable. I took a dropper full of a CBC oil and in 10 minutes I was out like a light. Not because it knocked me out but because the pain was mostly gone, I was so tired as soon as I was comfortable I was out.

Keeping this substance from people with chronic pain whom it could help for as long as we did and making it out to be something people use to get high (you can’t make that happen) is a fucking sin!

Comments

Episode-2375- Brian Norton on CBDs Effect on Systemic Inflamation — 11 Comments

Brian on February 7, 2019 at 8:55 am said:

I totally forgot to plug my friends shop that sells CBD topicals, lotions, soaps, And tincture. Also has a whole line of products for pets. I use the spray and rub daily on my knee, and then anywhere else that hurts as needed.

http://www.naturallyinfused.com
Joey on February 7, 2019 at 6:11 pm said:

Good show, how do we get the discount you where talking about?
- Modern Survival on February 7, 2019 at 6:55 pm said:
  
  There is a discount for MSB in the benefits section already. For non MSB until Brian clarifies exactly what the discount it, you gotta wait. Still waiting on a response from him on that.
Mike on February 7, 2019 at 7:59 pm said:

This is probably a stupid question, but he mentioned the THC limit as .003. Now, that may be a small amount, but it‘s not zero.

Has any research been done as to whether using CBD oil will affect a hair and urine drug test? That would be important to know for those of us subject to drug testing at work.

I‘ve heard a lot of people talking about CBD, but I‘ve never heard this addressed.
- Modern Survival on February 8, 2019 at 11:00 am said:
  
  Drug tests don’t test for any amount of THC at all, because as noted our bodies actually make THC. I can’t see real CBD oils ever increasing THC levels enough to cause anyone to fail a blood test but you may want to research that further. Like find out what the average drug test threshold is for THC in the body.
  
  Most the products I have seen an analysis for do have some THC, very little though. From what Brian said since they are doing a distillation his product should be zero.
- Modern Survival on February 8, 2019 at 11:03 am said:
  
  One opinion on it, seems legit to me, https://www.thegrowthop.com/cannabis-culture/cbd-consumption-cause-me-to-fail-a-drug-test
brian on February 8, 2019 at 10:47 pm said:

The level of THC a crop can have in it ( or a product) is less than .003 to be concidered HEMP not cannabis. To be federally compliant the crop must be certified by the USDA

Federally compliant full extract hemp derived cbd oils may contain lots of different cannabiods, but will contain a MAX of .003 THC.

I don’t use full extract. I use CBD isolate. It is just CBD and nothing else. It is distilled to .9984 purity. The 16/1000 of not CBD is the carrier it was distilled from.

“Drug” tests test for THC. The threshold for a positive is way higher than zero, but the limit is variable depending on who is paying for the test. Be careful. If you are using full extract oils and are in a sensitive position.
- Burger1918 on February 11, 2019 at 4:32 pm said:
  
  Thanks for the info Brian. I was also concerned about that.
Robert on February 13, 2019 at 11:53 pm said:

Catching up here… good show.

Thanks Brian for putting this info out and your history of helping med patients.

And down the rabbit hole we go… quick points: I like how your first cbd guest highlighted, to be sure your product is sourced domestically, and never use cbd products from china.

I love that Brian mentioned the “entourage effect,” which to be clear isn’t just holistic consumption of CBD, CBDN, THC, THCV, etc and on and on cannabinoids, but also the myriad terpenes found in various strains of plants. In fact the terpene, Myrcene, which carries a more narcotic effect increases cell permeability and allows cannabinoids to be absorbed faster. Myrcene is often attributed to the fuely or diesel smell/taste in some strains of cannabis, and is why these strains are more popular regionally where opioid addiction is rampant. Strains of Myrcene rich cannabis has shown to help some people break their opioid addictions over time.

So, full plant extract or flower vs isolate? I know what I’d prefer, but the laws are what they are, albeit silly and frustrating.

It’s true we are on the precipice of understanding since studies of the plant have been illegal for years, but the more we learn the more these silly laws might change. Thanks for another liberating show!
Mike on February 24, 2019 at 6:54 pm said:

I work for a company where we get a federal drug test. I would like to use cbd. I’ve heard all cbd has thc in micro amounts but can build up in fat cells over time. Is this correct
- Modern Survival on February 25, 2019 at 9:07 am said:
  
  I would use caution but the body itself makes some THC it is one reason we have a cannabinoid system in the first place. Also as Brian said he uses a distilled CBD that has no THC at all in it. So I would gather that it would be safe.
  
  I have tried a few types, most come with an analysis. Some do have a bit of THC, some by lab results have none. Still will the next batch from the same plants have zero? I don’t think you can really know without use a purified isolated product like Brian infuses his coffee with. I am sure that can be obtained other than in coffee, but I don’t know where or who to trust on it.
  
  This is all a very new thing and caution must be used.
  
  The other side is when and how often do they test. Most jobs I had, well every job I had other than actually being in the Army, you got tested when they hired you. They said they could test you any time but they never did.
  
  Also how do they test, a urine test is not as accurate as a hair test and substances don’t remain in the body as long via urine as they do hair. Given tests are always potentially able to yield a false positive most companies I know of will do a second if the first is positive. They are generally looking for abuse not exposure. As tiny as the THC is in LEGAL products (legal everywhere) if you got popped for a test, instantly stopped by the time the results came back and a second test was given you’d be well clear if it was a URINE test, hair, nope.
  
  This all leads to a bigger point, now that CBD is being legalized and given some small amount of THC that we know doesn’t do shit to a person as far as making them high can be included drug testing is going to need to change. Also cannabis is going to sooner or later become totally legal and what then? Private companies MIGHT be able to keep testing for it, but the government won’t be. How can you discriminate against the use of a legal substance? Now being “high on the job” will be like being drunk on the job but, harder to pin down with cannabis.
  
  My BAC either is or is not elevated, but there is no test I am aware of that can prove medically that I am high right now. Its a can of worms, sorry I don’t have a better answer.
  
  If it were me I likely just would not unless you have a medial need that simply isn’t able to be addressed other wise. I will say I really pushed myself working yesterday, I was in pain, not severe just a total body ache. Where when you lay down you just can’t sleep because you just can’t be comfortable. I took a dropper full of a CBC oil and in 10 minutes I was out like a light. Not because it knocked me out but because the pain was mostly gone, I was so tired as soon as I was comfortable I was out.
  
  Keeping this substance from people with chronic pain whom it could help for as long as we did and making it out to be something people use to get high (you can’t make that happen) is a fucking sin!