Episode-1875- Dealing with Rodent the Natural Way – With Dogs
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Today we are joined by Jordan Reed to discuss using dogs to control rodents. Jordan hopes to educate and support organic and small scale farmers. His message is that a certified organic farm cannot use poisons in a food production area; A chicken coop is an egg or food production area.
The most commonly used poisons are anti-coagulants, which causes the rodents’ blood to thin, resulting in bleeding from the eyes and internal organs. As no immediate effect is felt, a rodent may consume many times the mortal dose. A dosed rodent often suffers extreme thirst, and can be found wandering aimlessly from day 3-5, which is usually how long it takes for the animal to die.
These poisons are considered one bite, one kill. As a dosed rodent wanders the landscape bleeding, what might happen? For a start, all predators prey on the sick and wounded, including owls and raptors, other land mammals follow. Bobcats are the only animal to exhibit any natural resistance to these types of poisons, and that is resistance not immunity. In short, to poison rats, you also inadvertently poison all natural and native predators along with your pets as well.
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Loved this show Jack, I have a pit mixed with Austrailian shepherd. One time he attempted to chase a squirrel through a parked rototiller, twice. The second lunge I caught him by the scruff of his neck and stopped him nasty cut on his nose. He recovered and would probably do it again. My boxer mix ran around the rototiller. Still working on ” leave it ” with pit mix.
Just wondering do rats in USA carry Weils disease ? Weils is a big worry in europe, both dogs and humans can get it, it can kill quickly like meningitis. It is also called golfers disease because rats sleep at night in the hole in the greens where golfers pick their golf balls out of especially near the pond or stream on a golf course. Weils is carried in the urine of female rats, it spreads out over water like thin oil, I read that they evolved this way to poison mammals so that the female rat can return and eat the carcass for proteen for breeding ability.
The best rodent dog was the Boston Terrier my neighbor had when I was a little kid. When we had the annual unloading of the corncrib, that dog would grab so many rodents her cheeks would be bloody and the pile was huge.
She probably would have been killing them more often but she lived in their house 😉
Boston Terriers are good rat killers and opossum killers mine looks all the time for them
Make sure to check your property with dogs that are good at taking down pests. Yesterday I smelled a faint smell of something dead. When we found it, it was a bloated opossum, the stink almost made me gag. Best guess is Charlie killed it, apparently playing dead doesn’t work on him. But I guess it wasn’t something he wanted to eat so it laid in the field a long time. One of the more disgusting smells I have experienced in my life.
I hate to see the possums killed. They aren’t a nuisance to mankind (that I know of) and they have a voracious appetite for ticks.
Dogs do what dogs do, they defend a property. I was honestly surprised that Charlie killed it, usually the playing dead thing works really well.
My cat actually got a mouse the other day, shocked me. I had been wondering how to get rid of it without poison or traps. Thankfully my Franny did it for me. She didn’t eat it, I hoped she would, these mice out here are a lot healthier for her than the cat food.
I’m proud of her, I now know she could fend for herself if she had to.
This may sound a bit gross but it works SOME TIMES.
A lot of times pets kill but don’t understand the kill can be eaten. So you have to give them a start, usually opening the back skin up and exposing some of the meat and sent will do it.
Charlie kills rats, mice, rabbits, squirrels, until I did this he just played with him. I have now seen rabbits torn in two and swallowed in two full gulps.
Max eats mice damn near still alive.
Yorkies (Yorkshire Terriers) where bred in the 19th century to catch rats in clothing mills and guard coal miner’s lunch boxes from rats in the mines.
Jordan and the Hoard came out to our place. YES it’s a ton of hard work. YES a ton of fun. YES we learned a lot. YES it’s a ton of hard work. (that needed repeating) At least we got a few rats. Seeing the whole team in action is fascinating. Those dogs go to work while the people are digging holes, moving things, and keeping an eye out for each dog. You can see the skill and feel the passion. It’s fast paced and so exciting when you hear “there it is git it git it” LOL Course afterwards I was in heaven. His dogs and mine all running around playing, ALL TEN. In and out of the house running all over the yard. It was a pup party to remember. Now bit by bit we are working with our 5 pups to catch the rats. They are much faster learners than we are for sure. We will catch up with them before long I am sure of it.
What’s the link to the row coe tool you were talking about?
https://roguehoe.com/
I literally just read about JReed yesterday while researching how to train my dog to hunt small critters. Talk about timing! This podcast was a lot of fun and I learned a lot. At the same time, it makes me well aware that my dog has a lot more training to do before I can expect her to be an efficient or decent hunter on our farm. She has some rat terrier in her and definitely has the drive for it, but needs more discipline than I expected to leave my chickens alone (she likes to ruffle them up a bit, but has never hurt them… yet) and to be able to take any sort of direction while “on the chase”, which usually occurs with the wild rabbits we have here.
Anyway, thanks again Jack for another awesome podcast. 🙂
Hi Jack. Great show. I’m currently listening to a bunch of your older podcasts about training dogs, and they really help me prepare for buying a dog. My wife and I are about to buy our first family dog, and I will need to train him to fit in our homestead (not eat the ducks, not dig holes in the vegetable garden, be a good guardian for our isolated house… )
About the last segment of the show, when you talk about the uncertainty principle and the two slits experiment, I wouldn’t be so quick about blaming consciousness for the difference in behavior between the experiment with and without observation. Observing something is not being neutral, at a microscopic scale. At a larger scale, observing a duck in the grass involves capturing some of the photons emitted by the sun, and if you weren’t observig, the photons would still bounce off the duck, so the observation doesn’t influence what’s happening. But at the scale of a single fundamental particle, throwing a single photon at it makes a world of difference.
About the uncertainty principle, maybe we shouldn’t say “we cannot know with absolute precision both the speed and position of a particle”, but rather accept that particles don’t have the same characteristics as macroscopic objects. Like, you can’t define the temperature of a single particle.
That’s the explanations I usually get when I’m talking to a physicist about these questions, anyway.
I’ll check out the book anyway, maybe there is something I’m missing.
The fact that matter responds to observation can not be explained away.
Every macroscopic is made up of these sub atomic particles and your body is over 99% empty space, you are a very small amount of anything that really is “matter” and bound together by energy.
What you get from most physicists is “we have no idea but trust us anyway”.
The song at the end is great, normally not my kind of music but it was so good I bought a copy.
No kidding I experienced this back in 1997 when I worked on a farm outside of Jacksonville AL. I don’t remember the guys name but he had lots of fruit trees, and raised sheep that he uses for competition with his border collie, one day I complained to him about the rats in the feed shed. And he got his small dogs from the house. Little did I know these “rat terriers” had a real job to do. We spent the next 3-4 hours watching this pack of 3 or 4 dogs seek out and kill a wheel barrel full of rats. We even had some that went up in a tree. We spent some time trying to knock them out and when we finally did those dogs tore into those rats.
I really enjoyed your show, brought back an interesting memory and would have never figured that someone else would do this. I thought the guy was nuts at the time. Now I know differently.
Excellent show re controlling Rats and mice pests
I have a small farm surrounded by very large farms, because of this when I moved here 8 Months ago I had a large Rat and Mice problem. I was concerned with using poison due to my small terriers eating poisoned rats, so I went to my local feed store and bought A24 Rat and Stoat trap.The best thing I have bought for the farm so far, it is soo effective it killed 5 Rats in the first night.
watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-YFbktaAAg
The trap resets its self so can kill multiple Rats in 1 night
http://www.goodnature.co.nz
Cheers Finster