Episode-1119- Listener Feedback for 4-29-13 — 48 Comments

  1. “VOTE WITH THEIR FEET AND WALLETS” — great letter from the IL Senator – why would anyone what to live in that corrupt environment (if you don’t directly benefit)…

    • Yep that is a sicket, note how it only slightly curves and the blade is strait from the handle.

  2. Great job on the presentation Jack. Im curious what your plan will be for the pathways on your contour beds. I did the same thing you did 3 years ago, only I had the benefit of equipment at the time. I will say it worked great, but I ran into a few problems.

    1. unless the beds are always covered with crops it will erode
    2. unless heavily mulched every year weeds will grow up in between the beds.
    3. Chickens wreak havoc on these style beds lol, behaviour you were talking about.

    Just curious if you were going to use a weed block underneath or just sheet mulch every year? Again great job, I think its a lot of common sense easy to understand content that you were able to explain well.

  3. Jack, for those of us who have been listening since the truck days, I will gladly take a hoarse voice over the rush of the air at 60 mph from inside your truck. Love those old shows and they led me to prep and act on what I seemed to always have ingrained in my bones, but that sound drove me nuts. Lol. Rest up and hope your voice gets better. Thanks for putting a show together when your not 100%.

  4. Paleo bread, just one mans opinon

    My take is if you are that desperate for some bread and don’t have a serious gluten issue than just have some real bread every once in awhile. Eat a slice of pizza once a month or buy a fresh baguette. For the vast majority of us eating correct 90% of the time will give us the results we want as long as the 10% isn’t an insane bender.

    To me eating shitty interpretations of good tasting foods just makes me want the real version that much more.

    Most people w/ a gluten intolerance can handle fermented breads, such as sourdough.. I’d look there first before eating fake bread.

  5. First time hearing about the siket, a serrated one would be great. The tool I have on me where ever I go on my property is a hori hori. One side is serrated and one is straight edge. I wonder if just bought a corn knife and took it down to a machine shop could they cut the serrations into the blade for me?

  6. Thanks for uploading the video. Looking forward to watching it tonight with the family!

  7. Jack! I lit up when I heard the idea. One question. Whats difference between a forest garden and a regular one. 100% interested. It would flyout the door in this area. Count me in. Thanks for all you do.

    • Happy to answer but what do you mean by “regular one” do you mean regular garden or regular food forest?

  8. Jack:

    Japan used rice as it’s National currency for thousands of years, peasants where paid in rice, debts were paid in rice and wealth was judged on how much rice you owned.

  9. Hey Jack,

    As someone who has been involved in the planning, administration and setup of a couple of conventions you have to have breakout rooms, you can’t have the presentations in the same room as the vendors. It’s not fair to the people who have paid to get in and it is especially not fair for the presenter to have to compete with all the noise and action going on around the talk. It also allows you to have more speakers concurrently.
    The more speakers the better chance you have of enticing more people to attend and stay longer spending more time and money with the vendors.

    • I attended the Expo last year. This was my number one complaint. Too much crowd/vendor noise during presentations. Other than that it was a great show.

  10. Jack

    I thought it was this episode that you talked about the seminar in 2014 about making Permaculture a business. I am extremely interested in learning more.

  11. Hey Jack, I Love the show and have been listening for almost a year now. Thank you for all you do to spread the knowledge around, more people need to hear this.

    I had a couple questions about gardening. First off, when planting by seeds is it ok to mulch with shreaded pine bark and do you mulch before or after the seedlings come up? Second, where is a good place online to buy seeds both for storage for when the shtf and for anual plantings? I am just starting a garden and eventually I will be saving seeds but I need something to get me started.


    P.S. The link aboun bribery not being what it used to be sends me to login to Word Press…

  12. Your bribery link is taking me to your wordpress log in. Hahaha, Im not trying to hack your site I was just trying to do a lil reading.

    • Ordered at once, will make it part of the review of the others, THANK YOU for the info.

  13. I found a gluten free bakery in Dallas that has really good bread, cakes, etc. Their paleo bread is much better taste and texture than the one from Julian’s Bakery. You can order online too.
    Ingredients: Flours (Almond, Golden Flax, Coconut) Eggs, Olive Oil, Sea Salt, Apple Cider Vinegar, Baking Soda

  14. How about Personal Permaculture Production? I spoke up when you talked about actually marketing aquaponics to the masses. I believe that food is the next big business as people seek to take command of their food bill. We live in a convenience society and to have an increased level of success will require convenience as a marketing aspect. Good call on the maintenance package. I would prefer a hands on lab experience at your residence as this will be what I want to do at my home. As a potential business venture, the small scale training would be better. Eventually I would like to go into business helping others.

    My question is: For people in my situation, would the training for larger scale (2.5 acres) translate easily over into a marketable product to the small scale or vice versa?

  15. The boneless meat thing is funny as hell, I think of Monsanto “boneless animals” coming soon.

  16. Jack, if the national directory to small-scale Permaculture gets up, please look at enabling the associated website for international use: Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand etc.

  17. It seems to me the time is right for a permaculture business — an industry — to take off. What’s even better is its scalability. As you pointed out, someone could simply doing a consultancy and then refer the customer to permaculture builders or they could take it further and do a soup-to-nuts one-stop shop business from design to harvesting.

    I really like this concept and spreading it as a small business cottage industry is genius. Imagine having thousands of Geoff Lawtons spreading the permaculture concept across the country and around the globe. Awesome! Needless to say, I’m in!


    • I’m unlikely to do this as a business, but I’d be happy to pay someone to help me turn my backyard into a food forest. I loved Geoff’s latest video, but as I was watching, I was overwhelmed with the thought – it’s too much for me. I’m just starting with basic gardening this year. If I could hire someone to help me get started, I’d be happy to…

  18. Regarding the teacup generation – it seems to me that Spartan Race, Tough Mudder, and GoRuck are all attempts by at least some to rebel against the weakening. Why else would these people pay (sometimes a lot of bucks) to be “punched in the face” metaphorically? There is a little hope in that I think.

  19. Since everyone’s covered the permaculture questions..

    I was glad to hear that there’s a state WORSE than CA (IL).. we’re number 2!

    Sequestering is impacting the bribe slush fund?! Horrors!
    Lets sequester the crap out of that budget. And pay as little in taxes as possible. Maybe some of the leaches will starve to death and fall off.

    And finally, the controversial question, bayonet training. The stabbing, slashing, striking and yelling IMO gets you out of your head, and tells your body ‘I may be fighting for my life.. struggling and straining to kill another human being who is trying to kill me.’

    Calmly pulling a trigger to punch a hole in a piece of paper doesn’t do that.

    Trying to kill someone with a knife, or bludgeon them to death with your weapon is intensely PERSONAL, and if in training your really doing the training (and not just going through the motions) its going to put you in touch with what I call ‘the inner wolf’.

    ‘To survive it is often necessary to fight and to fight you have to dirty yourself.’ – George Orwell

    ‘People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.’
    – George Orwell

  20. <China – The largest army in the world 2 – full (official) < If you've ever wondered why the West never invaded China, here's a pretty accurate look at part of the Chinese Army 200 BC during the Qin Period. Not much has changed.
    They are just waiting. Their discipline is a mastered skill developed over centuries.

  21. Jack,

    I remember bayonet training from my time at the Ft. Benning School for Wayward Boys -class of ’89- You nailed it – beating the hell out of each other with Pugel Sticks and the bayonet course was where they linked the training to the mindset required – “Cold Steel – Stick and Move!”

    I don’t recall anything that sucked as bad as gas chamber day. Its a shame to think that the folks going through now don’t get that same intensity – That being said the NCO’s that are leading training are now likely to have seen sustained time under fire and I’m sure they are instilling their lessons learned in their trainees. Regardless of the curriculum we learned more from the example of the men who were really in charge.


    • “Regardless of the curriculum we learned more from the example of the men who were really in charge.”

      Yep and we had one Drill who only dropped us one time (the other two did plenty) in our cycle. We all were more upset that we let him down then that we were dropped. Frankly it was about the end of the cycle doing 50 at that point is a joke (at least it was in my time) it was that this one man, was the guy that was always the more fatherly type. He didn’t yell, he didn’t have to. We feared the other two early on, respected them as time went on, but Drill Sergeant Arroyo had 100% respect without the need of fear in about 15 minutes.

      He had a pathfinder badge, I was so impressed I asked to have some time to discuss my career with him. I told him I wanted to know how to become one, I felt kicked in the gut when he told me the program was hard to get into at that point, that it was being scaled back and considered far less important by the Army. That the only way it would happen is if the skill was critical to a unit I was assigned to. I already had my duty station in Panama and was told likely it wouldn’t happen but may be down the road in another station.

      There was no way I could look this man in the face and tell him I would only be doing a single tour. He was that good, that commanding of respect, I didn’t want to do anything that would let him down. Such men are special even in a group that is already special. I also remember how upset he was to be locked into a drill assignment during what we knew would become a shooting war (first gulf war). He had 15 years in and was from the infantry and pretty much knew it was going to be his one and only chance for combat and he wasn’t going to get to be part of it. He still did his duty of training men that would become mechanics, cooks, clerks, supply folks, com guys, etc. and did it with the same level of quality he would have for an infantry basic. I have forgotten many NCOs I served with, Arroyo never will I forget.

      As I understand it that has changed and Pathfinders are once again valued highly in today’s Army.

    • Im no military guy. Neither is my fam cept for my grandfathers and great uncles in WW2 and Korea. My step father is retired LEO and he raised me right, if I fell off my bike he would put that red shit that burned like hell all over me then tell me to get back out there. After being a listener here I have been grateful for things like that.

      Anyway, I have a friend who is an ex ranger, hes prob in his mid-late 30s. I was talking to him about shooting and he said a lot of his training was similar to Marines and Seals where shooting was more mental. I don’t know if the Army/Navy etc is trained like that. They constantly reminded of them that they are shooting to kill someones son/daughter. Taking a life isn’t just firing across 100-200 yards but theres more to it. I suppose it was the value of life.


  22. “Kill! Kill! Kill! With cold blue steel!”

    Bayonet training mantra at The Infantry School, Ft. Benning Ga. Summer 1989.

    Absolutely made me the man I am today, almost 25 years later. 100% effort, 100% of the time.

    Hoo-Ahh Airborne!

  23. Thought I would comment on the Siket. You might speak with Amy at the Marugg company. One of my 13 was to be proficient with a Scythe, so as the Marugg company was only a couple hours below me, I arranged to be able to go down one Saturday where Amy opened the shop up and custom fit my new Scythe to me, I also got a smaller hand scythe / scickle as well.

    Really worth the time to check these fine folks out.

    • Great send me an email as instructed and I will stick you in the folder. Just keep in mind if Geoff doesn’t like the idea on the micro space specialization it won’t fly.

  24. PE in Texas is still required to graduate, but just 1 year. Only 50% of that time needs to be physical activity. My kids made sure to not be in the basic PE class. From what they tell me, most kids do nothing in that class, simply hang out in the gym, some may shoot baskets or not.

    A friend’s son-in-law couldn’t pass basic training, they kept him much longer than normal. He couldn’t finish the run in the correct amount of time no matter how many times he tried, missing the required time by less than a minute. That was just over 2 years ago.

  25. Hey Jack,

    I would for sure be interested in the week long seminar with you and Geoff. I have been trying to put together a business model for the suburb back yard for a while now. You just nailed what I have been trying to piece together. Awesome!!

  26. I agree they should bring back the bayonet training course in basic training. The reason is this you can only carry so much ammo and if you ran out You may have to get in Someone’s face to survive the fight. Like you said Jack without ammo you rifle is a club and I would want to make that “club” more effective and learn how effective it can be used to defend my Brothers in Arms and myself.
    I went through basic training for the Army and I learned a lot about myself and what I can do physically. I went through Basic at Fort Jackson, South Carolina starting in June of 1995 and man was it hot there. Even then we had a couple people have trouble doing the physical stuff. In fact those of us that were stronger we would help those that were struggling either workout with them or offer encouragement that they could do it. After all Together We Stand, Divided We Fall. If we ended up in a war zone We Needed to know we could count on them. Even I had a little trouble with the two mile run and with their encouragement I had about 14 minute 2 mile run.

    We don’t have to go to the extreme like the Spartans did in ancient times, but we need to encourage individual physical fitness and mental toughness in our young we need them to push their individual personal limits so they can handle the “unknown” better.

    I like your podcast and keep up the Great work you do.

  27. I was infantry in the Marine Corps from 1999-2005 we trained with bayonets. They would have us get our flaks and helmets on and fight each other (the ka-bar bayonet can attach to the rifle while still in the scabbard), which seemed a little more intense than dummies or grappling with each other.

    I never actually saw a bayonet used as a bayonet in anger, except one time in Iraq an overzealous headquarters officer lead a squad of confused cooks, mechanics, admin guys on a bayonet charge with guns a’ blazin’ on a cornfield outside our base because they thought there might have been a wounded insurgent out there for some reason. Turns out the wind just blew the wrong way or a cat or something made some noise and nothing was there.

    Anyways, dropping the bayonet is a bad mistake. I don’t think it so much says something about the “tea cup generation”, I think it says more about the middle aged tea cups out there calling the shots that think that just because we’re the US of A we can lay waste to anyone just by pushing buttons and not getting our hands dirty. War doesn’t work that way and we’ll be in for a rude awakening someday.

  28. “Just a clerk”…. I resemble that remark!
    Can’t believe that the Army would stop bayonet training. The course at FT Jackson back in 91 was the most challenging and fun part of basic. Jumping ditches, sprinting blade first into the target dummy and colapsing at the end trying not to puke… yup still sounds fun.
    Your comments about how your DI’s acted brings back memories. The mechanic and cook MOS drill sgts were always yelling. But the guy with the jumpmaster wings and ranger tab on his way to Q course after his tour as a DI was always quiet and said more with a look then all the rest combined. Hated disappointing SSG Hall.

  29. Jack, I attended basic at Jackson in mid ’05. You were spot on with your assessment of everything. Especially the bayonet course. Dog tired at the end. The next cycle after mike was when the time out cards were introduced. I’m surprised you didn’t mention them. Basically, if you couldn’t take the drill Sgt yyelling at you, you were allowed to take a time out…wonder how that’s working out in the field? I still remember one kid who got whacked pretty good with a pugel stick. He yelled owe dude, why did you hit me like that? Then he complained to the ds. He was told to shut up because dead people can’t whine.
    Mike you are right the gas chamber was killer! I did have a sinus infection at the time. I came out the other side healed!
    Basic was 9 weeks and not as tough as I thought it would be and the changes you talked about are scary and imho, pathetic.
    Thanks for another great show!

  30. Also, I would definitely do everything in my power to get myself into that pdc. I’ve toyed, mentally, with that very business concept myself.

  31. Brilliant idea in the seminar for 2014, I want in!!

    Even if Lawton can’t do it, you should still set that up. I would drive to Texas for that!

    e-mail sent 🙂