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damon Brooks
damon Brooks
12 years ago

Knocked this one out of the park jack.

Good listen.

Bonnieblue2A
Bonnieblue2A
12 years ago

Might be among the top 3 of all TSP podcasts to which I’ve had an opportunity to listen. Bravo! While the information is not entirely new some of it really hit home for me today.

Today’s podcast will be a great resource to share with those I’m still trying to get onboard.

Roundabouts
Roundabouts
12 years ago

Once again perfect timing for the perfect show. I think you are in my head again.

Did I miss revolution is you 2.0 video? Or is it not out yet?

Backwoods Engineer
12 years ago

Thanks for doing this show, Jack. Maybe my email about the SurvivalBlog commenter who said “I am not a prepper I am a real survivalist” gave you some food for thought.

229Mick
12 years ago

I asked last week, and Jack said he expects to have it this week.

Hoping to see it in the next day or two too!

Mick

229Mick
12 years ago
Reply to  229Mick

Intended to reply to the above “Did I miss revolution is you 2.0 video? Or is it not out yet?”. Sorry.

Matt
Matt
12 years ago

The assholes… I don’t claim to be a prepper or a survivalist. And I’m not a neckless d bag either. I think its funny when people think they need to face trouble to prove something. I live in a CCW state so it’s not a good idea to just to stomp out like your 10 foot tall and bullet prof. Fight your battles on your home ground when every you can because at home because the law is on your side. I live in CASTLE law state too. Be smart and avoid jail. Also keep your head when drama comes. you can always freak out later when its all over.

Matt
Matt
12 years ago

I also hate this idea that everything is one way. I’m an NRA member and a Democrat. Why is that so hard to understand? I drive and SUV but work in the solar energy field and want renewable fuels. Why is that so hard to understand? Do I really need to go on?

Charlie
Charlie
12 years ago
Reply to  Matt

@Jack,
Like there’s a difference between them. Matt could be voting for particular issues that he thinks are more important to him. In the end, both sides of the two-party system fail miserably, and equally at upholding the constitution. Do you really want to go down the list? Because I guarantee you there’s plenty to go around. No, I’m not a Democrat.

Charlie
Charlie
12 years ago

No disagreement then.

Matt 2
Matt 2
12 years ago

Exactly, Matt. I am a democrat and anti-theist/militant athiest and don’t get why the 2nd amendment issue is so wrapped up in conservatism and the religious right. To me it makes perfect sense to me as a far-left registered democrat.

Matt 2
Matt 2
12 years ago
Reply to  Matt 2

Yes, you are absolutely right. To be honest in my day to day life I can’t stand most liberals and my best friends are almost exclusively libertarian.

I agree with the libertarian views on the individual, in terms of one’s control over their body, who they fall in love with, etc. Where I disagree is in terms of having no social safety net and minimal government. I believe that the government must be involved in certain areas of life (minimal support to the poor, FEMA, etc.). I know all too well that the social safety net isn’t perfect and is taken advantage of, but I also believe that some hard-working, responsible folks are victims of the economy and that as citizens of this country they deserve that the state help. Personal responsibility isn’t the answer to everything when the individual does not hold power over their situation.

Matt 2
Matt 2
12 years ago
Reply to  Matt 2

OK, thanks for pointing that out. I generally focus on your skills/tactics shows, if that makes sense. I am listening to Episode-680- 14 Steps to the Personal Libertarian Lifestyle, and found that you specifically mention that you can believe in welfare within the first few minutes. Thanks for guiding me to look further into this.

Bikerdad
12 years ago
Reply to  Matt 2

Matt 2,

You asked “why is the 2nd Amendment associated with the Right?”

Easy to answer: You described yourself as a “militant atheist”. There are far more militant atheists attempting to stamp out religion in the public sphere than there are theists who actually want to impose their religion. (Exception: Islamists).

Second reason: The Right looks at individuals, and recognizes that some individuals may do bad things, but most don’t, and thus you legislate to address the INDIVIDUALS who do bad things. The Left looks at groups, and if anybody in a group does something bad, then ameliatorive measures must be applied to the entire group.

Now, you also refer to a social safety net, yet what you are supporting is not a social safety net, it is a government safety net. There is a huge difference between the two. The former is people volunteering to help other people. It starts with family members helping one another, then extended family/friends, then neighbors, etc. The second is, at its core, people with guns coming along and forcing you to help somebody else. Based on the gun-holder’s determination of who gets help. With, of course, the gun-holder getting a cut of the help, off the top.

So, you may want to work on clarifying exactly what it is you support.

Chris Harrison
12 years ago

Jack, I always like it when you do episodes like this. Not because they necessarily touch on anything you haven’t said before, but because they help to reinforce those themes at just the time I need to have them reinforced (as if living 60 miles from NYC didn’t just do that) and because your passion for what you do really shines through. It’s infectious.

I know that one of the ways that your show has changed my outlook is the concept of taking care of yourself FIRST so you are in a position to take care of others. This seems to be right in line with Mollison’s prime directive of permaculture as well. I come from a much more left-wing starting point than most of the other listeners seem to (at least those who comment regularly) and this was one area in which I had to re-evaluate my thinking and move away from the false dichotomy bullshit. I was already moving in that direction before I found your show in 2010 — but listening to you definitely helped to hasten that along.

Thanks for putting out a great show!

Brad
Brad
12 years ago

Speaking of history, a favorite quote of mine from Mark Twain: “History doesn’t repeat itself, but it often rhymes.”

Oil Lady
Oil Lady
12 years ago

Peak oil people are batshit crazy???

Oil Lady
Oil Lady
12 years ago

Actually, Jack, you didn’t say “many” you said “most” (00:25:57). And I think there’s a difference in meaning there.

I’m not “hurt,” just a little taken aback.

I just don’t think the fine folks responsible for TheOilDrum dot com web site, as well as the think tank called the Post Carbon Institute deserved that one.

Chris Harrison
12 years ago
Reply to  Oil Lady

@ Modern Survival – I live about 60 mi NW of NYC, and my town was definitely hit by Hurricane Sandy — pretty much all of the downtown area is still without electricity and the trees leaning on houses and power lines have just recently been cleaned up. After getting up before 6 AM today (Saturday) to go and sit in line for 1.5 hours to fill up my car and several cans with gasoline, I was reflecting on this exchange between you and Oil Lady. I think that what’s going on in my area is going to be a much more frequent and widespread trend within the next 5-10 years. You may be able to fill up that SUV, but maybe not exactly when you want to and without waiting in line for a significant amount of time. Especially in the instance of even minor outside shocks to the system of extraction, shipping and refinement.

For what it’s worth, I also think that most people who are exposed to Peak Oil go through a process that, at one point, results in them thinking that we’re going to be at a 19th century way-of-life within 10 years. I’ve been following that field for over 10 years now and I know I was once there.

Sage of Monticello
Sage of Monticello
12 years ago

I agree the Rambo types are not real survivalists, as they do not recognize the community concept needed to survive long-term situations without rule of law.

I have family who have just entered the prepping world this year, but they have the fear of God and hysteria that Obama is going to extend the elections, declare Martial Law, and start rounding up Republicans in good standing, and organize Muslim extremists to fight Christians on American soil. These family members are hardcore loyal Republicans who have stated they would move to Israel if Obama wins the election. They believe, listen, and subscribe, to TheBlazeTV and buy every book Glenn Beck shamelessly plugs, and that this is the scenario that will play out in the end times. These Beck followers are like crazy people in their paranoia worse than the NATGEO people who confine their feigned survivalism on a television show.

The people I know who listen to Alex Jones are of sound mind and do not believe there is much difference what happens in the November elections, most are Classical Liberals who do not support allegiance to a political party. In fact, the Alex Jones people I know are highly educated, have started small businesses from the ground up, are active in civil government, and all have a better understanding of our monetary system, geopolitics,better than the average uninformed person off the street.

So I believe you are stereo-typing Alex Jones listeners.

I will just say this. Fear-based marketing can be labeled on any blog or person that talks about prepping and sells products of preparedness. I never understood attempting to separate the fact that ammunition, surplus food, can be classified as fear based. I would rephrase that as “ethical salesmen of prepping products” versus calling every survival blog out there fear based.

Sage of Monticello
Sage of Monticello
12 years ago

I am not trying to be dishonest Jack. You mention “fear being used in marketing of products” in your podcasts all the time, and you mentioned it specifically in 7:18 of this very podcast. So I didn’t pull something out of thin air.

What I was trying to articulate is your bashing of “fear based marketing.” I see this as a hypocrisy, since the products sold on every survival prepper site can be classified as based on fear. Just ask the question what are you prepping for? The answer no matter what will be based on some fear, even you appear to agree with me in your podcast.

Re: Alex Jones

“Terminal with dumb-ass of fear” was your exact label for Alex Jones listeners, I wasn’t dishonest or made this up.

If that isn’t a label what the hell is it?

Look it’s your podcast, you can say whatever you want. But calling me dishonest when I criticize you on something that makes zero sense to me is not very productive.

I actually agree with you on the majority of your podcasts, I just can’t comprehend why you consistently attack people that listen to Alex Jones, when people that listen to Fox News, and Glenn Beck, can be equally “terminal with dumb-ass of fear.”

Sage of Monticello
Sage of Monticello
12 years ago

“I never understood attempting to separate the fact that ammunition, surplus food, can be classified as fear based.”

Yes, I did not word this phrase above correctly I can see how this could be misinterpreted. I was trying to give an example how anything can be fear based. For that I give you a mea culpa.