Episode-933- Listener Calls for 6-29-12 — 97 Comments

  1. I’ve actually been thinking about this whole Obamacare and Romney thing all day yesterday. I know living in CA it won’t really matter who I vote for…CA will go blue (sure, Reagan took it back in the 80’s, but he was also the CA governor previously, I don’t see it happening again…), but ever since the ruling yesterday, I’ve been considering throwing my weight behind Romney, just for the vain hope that he will get rid of Obamacare…but I just don’t know if I can pinch my nose hard enough when I check that box…

    Eric Cantor has said that on the 11th, the house will vote to repeal Obamacare…guess I’ll have to wait and see how that goes and go from there…

  2. Jack, let me say first that it is exceedingly rare that I disagree with you. However, today I must. I think it is beneath you to impugn the character of a SC justice without some substantiating evidence.

    I, too, would have preferred a different outcome. However, as you yourself said, it was legally correct.

    Addotionally, as I understand it, the Obama administration did, in fact make the Taxation argument secondarily to the commerce clause. He did not pull it out of thin air.

    Quote of the day for 6/28/12 IMHO:

    “It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.” -Chief Justice John Roberts

    • @Mike the whole damn thing is unconstitutional and flatly if you don’t like my view I don’t care. You are free to disagree but you can very well screw off by saying it is beneath me to “impugn the character” of Roberts, that prick did it for himself. I didn’t say it was legally correct I said it was technically correct that the government has the power to tax, it is unconstitutional though to tax behavior, not a damn thing in the constitution grants that power.

      That prick sold out the American people, defend him if you wish but you will find it likely a lonely position.

      Flatly this nation has empowered traitors and scum for too long. People ask why I won’t vote for the lesser of two evils, here is why. No it is not beneath me to call scum scum, nor is it beneath me to call this prick what he is, a traitor to the constitution. You just learned the hard fact, you can’t trust any of these people, they are all controlled by stronger forces then the voters, their oaths and the constitution. I get why it may be hard for you to accept but please refrain from telling me what is fing quote beneath me.

      I would say it would be beneath me to not speak the truth, to not tell people the bastard sold them out.

      Yes Roberts quote of, “It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.” sounds eloquent but it is little more then lipstick on a pig! Someone should remind this asshole that it is his job to protect the people from overreaches and the unconstitutional actions of its government.

      • Wow. I said it because I think highly of you Jack. I’m sorry it if it seemed an attack, it wasn’t intended as such (I tried to make that clear with the preface about often agreeing but I guess that didn’t come across) I listen every single day, and the show means a great deal to my wife and I.
        As to the issue at hand, I think we more closely agree than you realize, but whatever.

        The reason I quoted Roberts was to make the same point about the lesser of evils vote. He’s basically saying, “keep voting for assholes, and you get assholes making law”

        Its not everyday someone you kinda consider one of your heroes tells you to go screw
        yourself! LOL
        Still love the show.

        • @Mike feel free to disagree with me, that is fine, again I mean that. However, when you tell me it is wrong of me to state my opinion that this fucker sold us out expect the response you got. Again disagree all you want, don’t ever tell me it is wrong of me to call a asshole traitor an asshole traitor. Yes the prick sold out the American people. The other conservative justices while using more soft language basically said the same and WORSE in their decent.

          YOU JUST GOT SOLD OUT. Let that sink in.

        • @Mike so what you are saying is you can’t disagree with the opinion of another person without telling them they are wrong for expressing their view? I mean seriously I am not full of shit I respect disagreement, I just don’t want to be told I am wrong for having mine.

      • I’ve explained that what I said came from a complementary place. In order for me to think something is beneath you, I have to hold you in some sort of elevated regard to begin with, do I not?

        Good grief, dude. Take the win.

        • @Mike I don’t want a win, I want you to be capable of disagreeing without telling me or anyone they are wrong for expressing their view. I don’t give a shit who does or doesn’t have an elevated view of me. I am not here to create an elevated view, only to teach people and let them do as they choose with what I bring to the table.

          I think Roberts is a complete fing maggot traitorous piece of shit, that puts him in HUGE company. Right with Romney, Obama, W, W the first, the Clintons, most of the Congress, most of the Senate, etc.

          You disagree? Rock on, make your case or just state your view, either I respect go telling another person that their own opinion is beneath them or wrong to express and you are trying to tell another person how to think and/or how to speak. That and only that do I take exception to.

          As for winning, winning for me would be my countrymen pulling their collective heads out of their asses and getting rid of all of these traitors and scumbags and replacing them with actual representatives. Likely it won’t happen until these pricks bankrupt the nation and then I pray when the fall comes it is the people who value freedom that prevail in the power vacuum that will follow.

    • From your first response, it didn’t appear discussion was something you were interested in. That’s what happens when you tell people to screw off. Discourse ceases.

      If you really want to hear why I used the terms I did, its because, frankly, we have zero evidence of Roberts’ motivation for going the way he did, other than the decision itself. Calling a man a traitor, IMHO, requires a little more evidence than that.

      I know that many might feel that the decision itself is all the evidence they need, but frankly, history is replete with people who made bad decisions for what they thought were the right reasons. It is not completly evident to absolutely everyone that congress’ taxation power doesn’t extend to this (though I agree with you on that)

      You’re about to tell me how completely wrong I am, and that’s fine.

      • @Mike I feel your opinions are wrong but you are not wrong for having you opinion, I realize this level of mutual respect is hard to comprehend.

        Now as for what evidence we need to call the prick a traitor, his actions make the prick a traitor, done, the end, I don’t need anything else. The fucker sold us out, the other fuckers did too, I just expected it fully from them.

        If you want to give Roberts a pass as to doing the wrong thing for the what he thinks is the right reason all I can say is you think he is a lot more stupid then I do. I feel the man knows to damn much to get a pass. He is a traitor to the constitution, the fing end.

        Again this puts him in a lot of company. The current and many of the past presidents are traitors. Most of the Congress and Senate for over a century, etc.

        The constitution is written so simply I won’t give any of these pricks a pass for doing the wrong thing for what they think is the right reason.

        • Dude, why, after I’ve explained what I have, did you have to go with the “mutual respect being hard to comprehend” thing?
          You tell me to screw, and now you have to be belittling.
          This is why I should have walked away earlier. This “discussion” has been really disappointing.

          Reply if you like, I wont be back.

        • Dude what is disappointing is your complete inability to discern the difference between telling someone you disagree and telling someone they are wrong for having their damn opinion in the first place. If you can’t see that it is a damn choice Mike. Again I respect your view and your contention that I am wrong, my issue is your absolute arrogance in thinking you can tell me how I should think or what I should say.

        • I do apologize for offending you, Jack. You’re about the last person on the planet (that I don’t personally know) that I would intend to offend.

        • Mike you pissed me off and I told you so but you didn’t offend me. Its all good.

        • Mike, don’t tell people you are disappointed in them. That pisses people off.

          Jack, work on your tendency to disagree vehemently. Mike’s is actually the majority view. I disagree, but unfortunately we are in the lonely position.

          Now you guys can lambaste me 😉

        • @Andrew you know what, pound sand asshole. My tendency to disagree vehemently is who I am if you don’t like it go screw.

        • Because you are telling me to not disagree vehemently with people. Who are you to tell another person how to think? Further disagreeing vehemently is a tenet of what has made TSP a success.

        • @Andrew I respect your right to disagree. I also don’t actually think you are an asshole. I think you were being an asshole when you told me how to think and what to do. Text is the lowest form of communications and I should refrain from the use of such words in it. I have an army buddy, this man and I have huge respect for each other, we would risk our lives for each other. Yet if I had a dollar for every time we called each other asshole I could buy at least a roll of Silver Eagles. We are all assholes at times Andrew, especially me.

      • Are you kidding me, Jack? Mike was wrong to say that you probably shouldn’t suggest that you know more about constitutional law than the Republican appointed Chief Justice of the Supreme Court? especially with no evidence or even a theory? Mike was way too polite with you, and you still stuck it to him with personal attacks. Very sad to witness….After your tirade of name calling & refusal to accept his repeated clarifications, it is now clear to me that, as you pointed out, HE was the one who was wrong to expect better of you.

        • @MG no I am not kidding you it amazes me when people like you feel you have a right to tell other people not that their opinions are wrong but that they are wrong to have their opinions. Your are also full of shit, your comment reads as though I called Mike names, I only called Mike one name and that was Mike. I called the Supreme Court Justice a fucking traitor because that is what he is a complete fucking traitor to the constitution.

          It is not as you infer because I think I am smarter then he is, it is because I know that he is as LEAST as smart as I am and I am smart enough to understand the constitution. The tax is unconstitutional in many ways here are two. 1. It is unapportioned and yet charged to individuals, this is unconstitutional as the constitution requires all direct taxes to be apportioned. 2. It is unconstitutional because the constitution gives the federal government to tax property, income and spending. It makes no allowance to tax behavior and it certainly doesn’t allow the taxation of non behavior.

          I called Roberts a traitor not because I think I am smart enough to know this while he isn’t, I called him a complete fucking traitor to the Constitution because I know damn well he is smart enough to know the truth.

          Further you seem to infer that we should all just shut the fuck up about this now. As though we should have such faith in the intelligence and wisdom of the court justices as to make their decisions something we have no right to question and that they should be immune to being called out for actions inconsistent with their oath.

        • Jack,
          I never said “You called Mike names”. I said, “After your tirade of name calling”, eg. Chief Justice Roberts, and calling Andrew “asshole”. You told Andrew, who was just trying to play peacemaker, to “pound sand asshole”. You did tell Mike to “screw off” and were repeatedly rude to him even after he consistently expressed his devotion to you & your show, practically begging for forgiveness. Your argument, “the only name I called him was Mike” is a disingenuous technicality.

          Mike never said you shouldn’t share your opinion which is what seemed to set you off. He clearly stated that it was “beneath you” to resort to name calling / character assassination with no evidence or theory, & I back him on that. If that’s what you talked about on your show all the time, your numbers would be very different. If I wanted that political crap all the time, I can turn on Fox News. Your show is better than that & we’re just trying to keep you sharp, focused & in good spirits, brother. I hope this helped clarify. Happy 4th to you & yours.

        • @MG if you don’t like my view tough shit. If you don’t like me calling the traitors traitors I don’t give half a shit. Simple and easy. It is not fucking beneath a citizen to call a public servant a traitor when he feels that servant is a fucking traitor. Roberts is a traitor and history in time will remember him as such. I will be damned if I let you or anyone else tell me it is beneath me to call one of our our public servants a traitor when that is what I feel they are.

        • Jack,

          I never said you should change your vehement disagreement. I said work on it. The reason is because that tendency is getting you to disagree with people when they actually aren’t disagreeing with you. I’ve experienced it with other people and several times with you. If you think that is who you are, then it is at odds with many of the things you’ve said recently. How exactly is you calling me an asshole different than people calling names on facebook, other than what I did was much lower stakes and trying to help?

          Again, how am I an asshole?

        • @Andrew now you really are being an asshole. No you don’t get to tell other people how to think. I don’t care if you don’t like my level of disagreement. Basically I think you can think and state anything you like right up until you tell another person how to think, what to say, etc. If you don’t like that tough and when you are actively telling someone to “work on their whatever” you are presuming to tell that person how to think.

          Perhaps I should not have called you an asshole but pound sand pretty well seems appropriate.

          Right now we need as many people as possible to vehemently disagree with what is going on. There is no room for compromise at this point. Our willingness to compromise is what those in power have preyed on for over a century now. So I will stick with vehement disagreement and uncompromising principles. If you present the other side I will debate you with respect if you tell me how to think or what to say I will tell you to screw off, it is that simple.

  3. The difference between Tyson chicken and all-natural chicken is not just the taste, but also the density. I used to purchase a lot of Tyson and Foster Farm. When my family decided to switch to Draper Valley chicken, the first thing I found was the meat is so much better tasting, and it took so much longer to cook the chicken.

    We are now raising our own chicken for eggs, but we still eat out and once a while, still go to the store and buy one of their ready-cooked chicken (Tyson, most likely), but we can tell by the meat, and how they taste. The natural chicken make you full a lot quicker and you won’t eat as much.

    My suggestions, try it and you will probably never go back.

    • @Karen I agree, it is just often hard to find products like you are talking about in many areas. In our area they might have a few whole birds and some breast cutlets, that is about it. Makes it really hard when you want to cook up a dozen or two dozen thighs or something like that.

      Also I am sorry but words like “all natural” don’t me squat to me and shouldn’t to anyone. Now if you know a specific brand and what they stand for (sounds like you do) that is awesome and wonderful but just because chicken says all natural on the label doesn’t mean much. It should, it just doesn’t, there is no real law as to what it means other then nothing synthetic.

      • @Jack
        If you are looking for bulk natural (or at least naturaler) chicken, try to find a local butcher shop. I found a small shop thats on my way home from work called Dickman’s. It actually a small chain, but still pretty legit. Their meat was really delicous. The best part is, the kid working there doesn’t even know how good it is. I asked if they had pastured chicken, and they said no, but once I bought it, I could tell it was pastured. It was smaller, denser, and had actual flavor to it. They could totally be charging more for their chicken, but I still get it for about $.99 a pound. Never thought I would appreciate ignorance in my food.

    • Jack,

      Thank you for your respond. Have you try to use cooperative and buy in bulk before? That’s how I started with the “all natural” and found out how good the no hormone, no additive, humanely raise, free range meat actually are. That’s also the reason why I didn’t say anything about Organic certified by USDA. 🙂

      What I did was to get to know our farmers, and ordered through the farm. On some of your shows, you talked about getting to know your farmers and know where your food is coming from, and that’s exactly what we have been doing. We would purchase lamb from Reister Farm in Washougal, WA. They will sell them for $9/lb at the Farmers Market, and if you go to Whole Food or New Season, $13-14/lb for rack of lamb.

      Sometimes, as in the case of Draper Valley chicken, they are actually a cooperative of farmers. The farmers are all over Washington and Oregon and they would sell their products (chicken in this case) to the store under the umbrella name of Draper Valley. I know the farms are located as north as Mt Vernon to as south as Oregon City. Of course, I did research to see what kind of products they are providing, and found that they won’t feed the chicken antibiotic or preservatives. The meat of the chicken prove the point.

      If you would like to know more about farms in your area, I can give you a website where you can search and maybe call up the farmers and visit them and see how they operate.

    • @Ashaldaron-

      I feel confident in telling you that I am 99.99% certain you are not getting pastured poultry from your local butcher at $0.99/lb. I have over $0.99/lb in our chicken running 500 at a time without including the feed! That’s just our flat fixed costs.

      One of the largest pastured poultry operations in the world is in Indiana. The guy produces 60,000 birds per year. He has his own USDA processing plant, contracts out all his own grain from local grain farmers, etc. to cut costs. His price is $2.99/lb but the quality doesn’t hold a candle to ours. When you get that big, you loose something.


      Generally speaking, pasture raised broilers take LESS time to cook, not more. They are more dense, that is true, but they also are generally only 2% “water” by weight. Mass processed birds will be 8-12% “fluid” by weight. This is the difference between butchering by hand, which is how almost all pastured poultry is done, and massive mechanical butchering. In that environment, birds are dunked into chlorinated water up to 40X. It takes time to cook off the excess moisture from that process. If you haven’t done so already, I would be asking some questions about the source of the birds you are getting. It’s possible you are getting a pastured bird that has been mechanically butchered, in which case you are eating fecal matter and chemicals as a result.

      For anyone eating “pastured poultry” – ask questions. Know your farmer. You should darn well know him better than your doctor, CPA or attorney.

      • Hey Darby,

        Not sure where my wires got crossed. You are correct. I pay 2.99 a pound. The truth kind of slapped me in the face when I pulled out a package today and saw 2.99 on it. I must not pay enough attention.

  4. Below is a link I found in reference to the growth and efficiency of hybrid poplar. Just thinking, that if you had 5-10 acres how else could you produce your own firewood. What other wood could you coppice and get a comparable growth rate? Just curious, I’ve got 5.5 acres today but I am not sure I would be willing to use 1/2 to an acre for firewood.

  5. Well, I think it is absolutely unconstitutional to be fined(taxed) for not having healthcare. Although I do have to agree that some of the provisions in the Obamacare legislation have validity. Example, cannot be denied for a pre-existing condition or dropped for becoming sick. That is about the only thing I like. Wish they would have just made legislation that said insurance couldn’t do the above mentioned items. Instead of being forced to have health insurance. My mother-in-law was diagnosed 2 years ago with MS. Insurance company said they needed a re-evaluation of her insurance. They dropped her and now she can’t get ANY insurance because of this pre-existing condition. I think that is bullshit.

    • @Travis Shute and given your proposal would likely have been considered constitutional and been supported by about 90-99% of the nation you have to ask why they didn’t do as you suggest?

      Instead they put that inside the reg and give the insurance companies many ways to dump those people onto the tax payer and hold up that provision as a piece of candy to the uneducated idiots who spend more time watching reality TV then actually being concerned with the nation. On top of that they put 9 new taxes into the regulation that effect mostly the middle class and say no taxes were raised while claiming the mandate is a tax to get it past the court. Hmmmm, almost seems like control and not health care becomes the real issue.

      When will people wake the hell up?

    • Travis Shute.

      What you are talking about with your mother-in-law is called “rescission.”

      Since that is defined as “unmaking of a contract” I don’t understand why the government doesn’t just have to do its job of enforcing contracts. That is to say, I don’t understand why doing that to you isn’t already illegal with no need for new laws of questionable constitutionality.

      The no denial of pre-existing conditions is different. What I want is a more a la carte insurance system. That would address that problem. People with diabetes cost more, so why shouldn’t they pay more? It wouldn’t be completely unaffordable, just rationalizing the costs towards the expenses. The problem is that since we can’t buy insurance a la carte you get all or none, so the insurance companies are forced by law to accept or reject, so they try to reject. Now what we’ll get is one-size-fits all insurance and one-size-fits all behavioral “tax fines.” Everyone will be mandated to avoid behaviors associated with diabetes, for example, even though not everyone is at risk for diabetes.

  6. Re: “Travis” Sorry about your mother-in-law. It is rare that a family is not touched by some bad fortune at one point or another.
    An insurance policy is as contract – you are covered according to the provisions agreed upon in the contract. I f you agree to the contract, then you get what is due you according to the contract. If you do not then you can arbitrate or sue the issuer.
    If you want pre-existing conditions covered, or protection against being “dropped”, you will probably have a difficult time finding such coverage on the free market for obvious reasons.
    If you want the government to require insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions and “not being dropped”, then insurance companies will have to raise their premiums to cover the additional costs.

    I would think to cover this uninsurable pool, insurance premiums of all insureds would have to be raised. If (all) premiums are raised, fewer people will be able to afford health insurance because of the higher cost. Insurance premiums partly or wholly paid by companies, corporations, and for government workers will also increase. These higher costs will be passed on to the consumer and taxpayer. The greatest burden, as far as premiums go, would be on the generally healthy people in their 20’s and 30’s.
    In a free economy, people are able to enter into an insurance pool and pay according to the risk that the members of the pool represent actuarily. If you require insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions and not drop people, you are taking away peoples freedom to choose an insurance product without such provisions, and forcing every insured whose insurance does not presently cover this to pay a higher premium to cover the massive extra costs.
    Not too long ago, in my mind, health care costs were tremendously lower, health care was tremendously less advanced, and people died alot earlier. Now, advances in medicine are profound, but the price tag is as well. Many people feel that they are entitled to medical care to extend their life and well being, whatever the cost to others. But in any case, there is a practical limit as to how much you can milk a cow.

    • I understand what your are saying. But she had her health insurance for about 16 years before she was diagnosed. Very rarely did she use it. Then she gets the diagnoses and within the same month of diagnoses.. dropped. That doesn’t seem right to me. I think after 16 years of premiums she shouldn’t have been dropped. She would have been fine paying a higher premium if they would have just raised it. Instead they dropped her, theoretically her health insurance for the rest of her life. Because when she tried to go to a new company– pre-existing condition.. sorry we can’t do it.

      • @Travis and it happens all the damn time! The argument that if you can’t be turned down for prexisting conditions insurance companies will go broke is really a false flag.

        The truth is if insurance was reasonably priced and meant to cover only catastrophic needs most people (even the young and healthy) would be happy to buy it. Instead people are morons, they pay 20 grand a year so a family of four can go to a doctor a few times a year and get 500 dollars worth of office visits and 300 dollars worth of medicine covered.

        However given the pig trough created by insurance along with the collusion of the pharmaceutical companies, that 800 dollars becomes about 3000 dollars that this family pays 20K for. Ten years down the road mom gets MS or dad comes down with cancer and the pricks want to bail out and decline coverage.

        It is simple, basic medical care should be out of pocket, no insurance for it at all. Insurance should cover catastrophic and emergency care only. A pricing model should be built on age and locked when you buy in like life insurance. The early you start the lower your cost.

        In such a model a 40 year old likely could insure for about 250 if they were just getting started. But if you started at say 18 likely it would be about 75 bucks.

        Then people will start in with “but what if”, and I will respond with “if ifs and butts were candy and nuts we would all have a merry Christmas”.

        No people would not wait till they had cancer to buy insurance, that is just stupid. People who own homes outright with no lender to force them still insure their homes don’t they?

        It would even be reasonable to apply a “rating” to sick people who went many years without coverage. Yet the system I lay out works. If you had insurance for 75 dollars a month at 18 and at 25 if you dropped it and bought it back in a year it would go up to 200 would you ever drop it?

        How cheap would insurance be for the person who bought in at say 6 years of age, how cheap would it be to insure your kids if you purchased them their own policy in this model.

        The solution is remarkably simple, it is government that created this mess.

        • “If only it could be this way.”

          All I ask is that I can try to make it this way for myself. I had catastrophic coverage with a health savings account before a new job made more sense to go with their insurance.

          It can be this way if we don’t make it illegal.

        • Oh, and by the way, RAND did a study that showed that Catastrophic+HSA did in fact reduce costs. And importantly, it did it at a small scale. I think that means that it reduced costs even with the current system that makes people pay more who don’t have the backing of an insurance company to strong-arm the doctors and hospitals.

          That means that it works without having to revolutionize the entire system. Thus, there is no reason to make it harder on people like me, and every reason to make it easier to do what we want to do. We aren’t hurting anyone. Not that other people who rationally avoid our current fraud that we call insurance are really hurting anyone, but I’m already saving you money.

      • Travis- sounds like you need to sue your insurance company. Isn’t that the whole purpose of it- one pays when they don’t need the coverage, so it’s there when they do need it.

  7. I think it should needs to be a provision to tax anyone who is “ok” with dropping a glock, but not a colt.

    • Okay fine my 45 isn’t a colt, LOL. Seriously though you glock fans are the ones that do crap like put glocks on a grill, etc. So why object to dropping them? And man reliable or not you have to admit they are ugly, they certainly can’t hang with the looks, style and feel of a well made 1911.

    • Your carry gun should be a tool and getting it scratched up a bit should not be a worry. Just as long as it does not affect the operation of the gun.

      BTW Jack on the 1911. Have you ever run that 1911 thru a full blown 800-1000 round hand gun training class? Just wondering how it ran, I’ve heard 1911 not doing well. Could be a rumor. May be you already did a show where you discussed the class in detail but I don’t remember you ever doing a review or talking about any specific hand gun class you took.

      • @Danny if you want to mark up your gun dropping it go ahead. I was taught in the military to never drop my weapon, to protect it as though it was my own life. If you did drop a weapon you spent hours running with it over your head and I figure Drill Sergeants and Airborne Blackhats and Jungle School Cadre know a hell of a lot more then any random “gun instructor”. As for my 1911s all have had thousands of rounds through them and all function very well. John Browning also knew what he was doing.

        • First, we aren’t in the military here, this is civilian training. Not sure, about every .mil instructor being that much better than a civilian instructor though. ADs by senior NCO have happened more than you’d know. The reasoning behind not dropping your rifle is also different than from this specific .civ class.
          Dropping it on the ground, not sure what the exact back ground of the caller was and the meaning behind it. Just dropping it does not make much sense but my gut says the instructor must have had a reason for it.

          I don’t think you understood where I was going though. There are too many people out there who are overly worried about their carry gun getting any type of damage on it. I have seen guys unwilling to drop a mag on the ground during a reload in a training class. Didn’t want mud or scratches on it. Folks not wanting to rack their slides by the rear sight on their belts or the heels of their boots etc. Duct tape on the shell deflector so the paint does not get dinged up…

          Just out of curiosity, what hand gun or rifle classes have you taken? Besides the .mil training of course. I know recommend Yeager and your one sponsor but which classes have you taken. Did you ever do a review podcast that I missed may be? There are so many podcasts.

        • The company that has you drop your weapon on the ground is Tactical Response. I know because I took their Fighting Pistol class. I dissagree with the merits of dropping your pistol. Doesnt make a whole lot of sense to me. In regards to the ciriculum they teach, its ok but there are much better programs out there. Their lecture was outstanding, but the shooting portion was sub par IMHO. My expirences com from 12 years military and 8 civilian classes from well known companies. YMMV

        • Sounds like Yeager I respect him but some of his stuff is just to much show and bravado, this is one of them in my opinion. Like I said when a solider drops a weapon it results in lot of running with a rifle over your head and many push ups. I still trust that training mindset on this issue.

  8. Jack, the whole cover crop/mulching question is so timely for me. This year, a neighbor plowed our first garden spot. Now, it looks like it was planted by a blind person and 3 kids who’ve never gardened before (because it was :D), but we’re proud of it nonetheless. We’re suffering a terrible drought here in central IN (.01″ of rain in my zip code so far in June), but I have tomato and pepper plants with fruit set. I also have some spaghetti squash, cukes, and watermelon that might do something yet. I’m watering each plant by hand, but since I didn’t put anything on top of the plowed spots that didn’t have anything planted, I have a LOT of grass. My husband jokes that he can’t tell the difference betweent he lawn and the garden. (That’s because he hadn’t gotten close enough to see that there are actually plants there!)

    This week, I took some of the chickens’ pine chips out to the garden and I mulched everything except the spaghetti squash. I still have a lot of bare garden (with grass, of course.) Should I try some sort of cover crop for the rest of the garden and then whack it all down in the fall and cover with mulch/tarp/something in the winter? With this drought, I’m just not sure what to do, but since I’m only hand watering my plants, the grass hasn’t TOTALLY taken over (although it’s decently grown in the garden area.)

    I’m curious to see what you and others think. I’m a total newb with this, so I’m pretty clueless.

  9. The supreme court just fired up the Tea Party.A sleeping giant was just woke back up.

  10. Jack,
    Comment about the free natural gas. I was in the hospital once and spoke with an IN farmer who was visiting family. We started talking and he mentioned that he got free natural gas. Seems decades ago oil an oil company did test drills looking for oil. As a “reward” or payment for letting the test drills, several homes in the area got free natural gas. It comes from reserves under the homes, not from a pipeline. He said that there is not enough pressure to run his grain bin dryers, but he can use it for everything in his home. My understanding is that commercial wells were never developed in his area. I would think that the natural gas would probably last a lifetime. If not you just have to make some minor modifications to your appliances and get propane.

      • Darby,
        I am from SE Indiana, I know many people that have private gas wells. It has nothing to do the gas companies. The gas pockets have always been there. Some of these wells have been in use for 50 years or more. You can still have “private wells” drilled.

    • My parents (also Hoosiers) were looking at a business property that had “free” natural gas. They would have had to add the “well” to retrieve it, but the NG was there for the taking. Apparently there are a lot of places in this country where NG is available for the taking.

      On a slightly different note, I vaguely recall seeing a news piece about a family in CO whose drinking water well was so contaminated with methane that their shower “water” could be set alight with a flame. IIRC, nobody had done anything to contaminate the well. It just so happened there was a lot of NG in that part of the ground. It unfortunately made their house pretty useless though because the water well was unusable.

      • At my grandmother’s house in Farmercity, IL – the water from the faucet could be set on fire with a match. It was a pretty cool trick for out-of -towners, but everyone in town used and drank the water like normal.

  11. I could be wrong in my opinion, but following the hostile corporate take-overs of the 80’s we saw mega corporations, and global corporations emerge which may have had connections to other corporations through subsidiaries making it difficult to follow who owned what. I wish I could see a mega chart of who sits on which boards and who are the principals. I watched the changes in several areas of consumption that made me suspect that maybe the same corporations owned seed companies, chemical companies, medical companies, pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies, mega banks, and each one could feed another with customers. That was about when I became aware of HMO’s, etc. I am convinced that this empire is now run by corporate lobbyists such as write legislation; and, politicians are just branded commodities, as we are all commodities. We are sold bills of goods and reduced to consumption. Would I be further afield to guess that if we, the consumers were to consume less and produce more, we could affect Wall Street in a serious way? Of course, many of the laws are made to reduce our ability to produce unless we are disobedient, it seems.

  12. OMG, Jack, I listen to you talk about Asperger’s and I thought I recognized pieces of that in me so I……researched it. I’m convinced I was born with, too. And it seems to be genetic. I have a cousin who is a physics PhD but generally socially inept. He can miss a joke. His sister, too, was valedictorian (was very beautiful in her day) but is severely socially handicapped today. Everybody thinks she’s crazy. I have a different have cousin who would get fixated on spreading mustard on bread for a sandwich. We both hung out bow hunting together. He kept it up and is now a damn good bower selling his carbon fiber longbows all around the world. Growing up I daydreamed a lot and it got in the way of my being able to get good grades but I was good a math and art. I was interested in wildlife. People are amazed at my wildlife drawings, “How in the hell did you do that?” I don’t know I just can. But I seldom draw. I burn myself out when I do it. I get so focused on what I’m doing and get so detailed that I avoild starting a new drawing. I also have an interest in fitness and nutrition. Since you put me onto Paleo, and it clicked, I can spend hours focused on researching it to trying and make all the associative connections related to health and autoimmune issues. I drive my wife (and others) nutz wanting to talk to them about the health implication related to this nutritional way of eating. I’m like, if cutting grains/gluten out of the diet could help with avoiding autoimmune diseases why wouldn’t they want to? I want to impart what I’ve learned that I think is useful to them.
    anyway, thanks Jack

      • Yeah, txmom, I’ve seen that guy on the Discovery channel. I don’t have a memory anything like that for drawing out of my mind but get really focused as putting in detail and trying to make the drawing appear 3D. I have a drawing of an elephant that people have told me it looks like it’s coming out of the paper. I could go in to detail 😉 about how I do that but I won’t and would need to show how anyway.

        I can pass as….normal…for the most part among friends except I can feel compelled to go into detail telling people about something I know would be useful for them (paleo diet, for example). Here’s two people with AS. I’m more like the first guy at his age. The symptoms have and don’t apply to me is pretty much the same as him.

      • @txmom I have a cousin with autism who would often say to people things like, “What were you doing in Surfside today”? The thing was no one had told him that person was there, likely no one in the room except that person knew that they had been there. No one is quite sure what this was all about but as I understand it he is in his 30s now and needs care to get by but is a lot “better” then I remember him but stuff like this still happens.

        I am not big on ESP I think it is more likely that certain places leave imprints or scents or something on a person and those who are hypersensitive can pick up on it. Funny thing was he never seemed to care about the answer nor did he seem to realize he was doing anything special it would just go back to his own world after he asked and left the room looking dumbfounded.

  13. Just a thought. I can’t picture a cashless society unless we are all on a global currency first. I would think foreign paper money could still be used as a means of exchange. How would they prevent that?

  14. Here is the other side. 1. You are right that Roberts just hamstrung the appointing conservative justices trump card. 2. Romney can’t really run on repealing the healthcare law because (a) noone will believe him because he is a known issue flip-flopper and (b) since his Romney-care was partly the inspiration for Obamacare he can’t run on repealing it without cementing in peoples’ minds that it is just another flip flop or that he’ll change tune after being elected.

    • @Andrew you are totally wrong that Romney can’t run and win on repealing Obamacare. Will he flip on it after/if he wins, likely. But no one will believe him? Really? Are you that naive? Most candidates run on issues that they have flip flopped on and people that want to believe it always do. You analysis of the situation is accurate, your assessment of the education level of the average voter is sadly way overly optimistic.

      If you want Obamacare gone and you actually think who is president matters, you have only one choice, Romney.

      The election will be mostly a referendum on Obamacare, likely though the results won’t make a difference.

  15. Many people prefer popular wood for COOK STOVES and I would assume outdoor cooking. Cooking fast and hot has advantages sometimes.

  16. The Supreme Court erred when they allowed the opening arguments that the Healthcare law was a tax law. It is not lawful for a tax lawsuit to be tried before the taxes from that law are applied. When Roberts decided it was a tax law the case should’ve been dismissed and sent back to congress.

    His decision dismantled the backstop when he turned the Supreme Court into a rubber stamp of the administration.

    Some of the most liberal, destructive & unconstitutional decisions were made by Republican presidents. Blackwell & Wade v.s. Roe for one.

    • @Jimmie, in my view if they said it was a tax law and sent it back it wouldn’t have accomplished a thing. The law would have simply stood, it would have come back around and cost more money for the people and ended in the same way.

  17. Jack, I have to respectfully disagree that Roberts’ action killed the silver bullet theory for voting Republican. It wounded it, but it is not dead. If Obama, or any other Democrat, is elected president, there is zero chance that he or she will nominate a constitutional conservative to the Supreme Court. With a Republican president, the odds are at least 50-50. Thomas (my favorite), Scalia, and Alito were not nominated by Democrats. So, I think the argument that we are better off with a Republican president nominating the next new Supreme Court justices still applies.

    • @SusanG and Santa the Tooth Fairy and The Easter Bunny might help us out too right? If you don’t see the game as rigged at this point it is simply because you can’t accept it.

    • @SusanG or more to the point and more specific to the current election based on which actions that Romney took as governor do you expect that he would appoint a justice that would be any better for the nation and the constitution?

      I am waiting for one, just one. Again an action as Governor not a talking point as a presidential candidate. What a man does with power shows you who he really is, what he says only matters if his actions are consistent with his statements.

      So give me ONE, just ONE.

      • You’ve got me there … but I am going with the blind hog theory (even a blind hog can find an acorn once in a while), and still contend that with Obama there is zero chance of a constitutional judge while with Romney the chance is non-zero, even if 50-50 is optimistic.

      • @SusanG, you know what you call a belief like that? It is a religious belief, just because the guy has an R after his name there is a better chance. You base this on absolutely nothing concrete only that he is running against Obama. I have no reason to believe that Romney would put any judge that is any better on the court then Obama. Again all I want is ONE action the man took as governor to support this claim.

        • Amen! “Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.” Kinda reminds me of the belief that a limited government is a realistic solution. Now Anarchy?, that has true potential!

    • Sticking my neck out here one last time on this topic, it seems that Reagan was 1 for 3 in appointing reliably conservative justices, H.W. Bush was 50-50 (“read my lips” Bush was the one who appointed Thomas) and W. Bush is 50-50 so far. This is an interesting article on this problem: That Romney bothers to run as a Republican AND that I don’t see him being any more of a RINO than H.W. Bush, are what I base my opinion on that he might make better Supreme Court appointments than Obama, not on anything in his record.

      • @SusanG yep that is sticking your neck out. Clearly you looked and can’t find a single action. I have to call that faith and nothing more. I hope you are not let down.

        My feeling is we are nearing and end game, that is the entire reason we have a Romney as the nominee and a McCain last time. Talk about two candidates that don’t even live up to most RINOs.

  18. Would you be in favor of amending the constitution so that congress cannot collect taxes from individuals?

    Or that taxes cannot be based on conditions?

    • Not speaking for Jack but myself I want a congress to FOLLOW the constitution like the forefathers intended it to be!

      Not the assclowns that are in it now screwing with it, Making changes, and turning this once Awesome country (Powerhouse) of ours into something laughable in other countries…..

    • @Jimmie, I think what no one wants to realize is it sadly doesn’t matter at this point, the nation is in hock for the next 100 years already and already can’t pay its bills. It is over, done, kaput. There will be no tax cutting period, their number like I said is more. The system will have to fail before any of this type of talk matters.

  19. I’m with Jack on this one. Roberts Fk’d this one up big time.

    I did not even expected this. I though it would be thrown out. Now I have to be FORCED to pay. This is Communism. We are in deep shit for sure!

    All I’m gonna do now is sit back quietly, prep, and wait for the revolution……

  20. Romney will use the “repeal” sentiment to his advantage but he has already said that there are a lot of good things in the ObamaTax (he will not call it that, he calls it a penalty as does Obama) that should be kept.

    • @Jimmie,

      Worse no matter who wins Obamacare will morph into full government health care. Remember the public option? Obamacare is designed to push costs so high that people will beg for it.

      If O wins he will push for it saying the people have spoken and we haven’t done enough. If M wins he will actually get away with it faster, taking a que from O who played (blame Bush and still is) M will blame O and say too much damage is done, we have to change the bill, it is easier then getting rid of it, there is good there (like in Darth Vadar) and we can fix this so it works for everyone.

      The Dems will likely loose the senate this time but the Reps won’t have 60 seats. This will make a true repeal impossible, as M blames O. Simple as that and by 2016 government will run all of health care.

      Oh and if you go though the archives old Jack told you that before Obamacare even passed the first time around.

  21. Accepting the notion that Obama, Bush, Romney are surrogates of a world order organization and that they have a plan that uses government to accomplish their plan, are we seek to live our lives without government interference… are we not destining ourselves to subservience to those who gain the power to control via government, media? How can we, without a plan, attain or remain in freedom against those who have a plan to enslave?

    • @Jimmie so whats your plan? Mine is preparedness. The system is going to fail, you ain’t going to change it before it happens or even slow it down.

  22. Agreed. But isn’t it part of Their Plan for the system to collapse and that they have a system (communist, whatever) to replace it? Sure we prep, we have no fantasy that we can, or should prevent a collapse, but do we have something to put in place of the collapsed system that would counter Their Plan? I would suggest starting all over with a new system of government that would start with the Declaration of Independence, The Constitution, and review, accept some and discard some of the Bill of Rights. And finally bulldoze Washington D.C.

  23. @Jimmie
    And your new Gmen will start the process of enslaving us all over again, and again, and again. It’s what governments do.
    It’s ironic really, governments are just groups of people banding together to coerce other people to do what they would not do on their own. Our government has the silly tradition of some of the people trading places periodically. Then they all blame the other side for the atrocities committed in the name of the “common good”.

    I just want to be left alone…
    Agorism, Voluntarism, and Anarchy are the logical end of the libertarian thought process.

  24. Chopper, I agree. It seems hopeless. Our constitution was written by men of genius who knew the nature of man was to control and those rascals have indeed used that document to reverse it’s intention. The truth is, especially after this Roberts’ ruling, I’m scared. Angry.

    correction: I meant to say review the constitutional amendments, not the Bill of Rights.

  25. Doug- that is interesting. I am starting to wonder if I have Asperger’s as well. I took a personality test last month that notes some of the key traits. My father is a physics PhD, an actual rocket scientist. Growing up, I identified with Mr. Spock. I have also recently become interested in health and nutrition (since discovering real foods and Paleo) and am driving others crazy with it. I “forced” my wife to go gluten-free as I see associations with all sorts of issues, later to find it confirmed by cutting-edge research.

    I also can’t remember names, but the caller who wanted to boost his brainpower should check out the Bulletproof Executive, Dave Asprey. He also has Asperger’s and developed a version of the Paleo diet that excludes mycotoxins. He should be on this show for his biohacks! Also try Aniracetam . taken with with plenty of choline. It’s a game changer!

    Regarding safety nets, the Foundation for Economic Education has excellent information on the numerous private voluntary safety nets and how they functioned before the government destroyed them

    Travis- I am sorry about your mother-in-law. What the insurance company did is wrong. Lawyer up! Also, check out Dr. Terry Wahls TED Talk on how she cured and reversed MS on a Paleo diet. It is inspirational and applicable to curing many conditions, especially preventing them.

    Chopper- Right on!

    • Yeah, true to AS I’ve been digging into learning about AS. I’m convinced I have it. I now see it as something that puts a lot into perspective, and consequently I see it as both a blessing and a curse. They say people with AS have a kind of mind blindness to social ques. That maybe in that I can annoy others with my intense interests, like paleo or the economy. What I want to…inform…others about, though, stuff that I know is useful to making their lives better, like paleo. Thanks for the info on Dave Asprey. Dito on Wahls.
      Having AS, for me, is like being in a movie theater and happening to look up at the ceiling and thinking I’m seeing a wisp of smoke. Something just grabbed my attention so I keep looking up and watching to see if what I’m seeing is real or my imagination. Once I convince myself the smoke is real and getting heavier I feel compelled to inform those around me. But instead of getting a positive response I get shhhh we’re watching the movie. Kind of like.
      Me: “No really, just look up.”
      Them: “Shut up leave us alone, stop distracting us, we don’t want to hear about your shit.”
      And others wonder why people with AS can have a tendency towards frustration. It’s as if you are trying to communicate with others and they are the ones suffering from brain fog. It’s like trying to wake up a teenager, that needs to be awaken, and they get all pissy about it.
      You’d at least think with the success I’ve had investing in oil and gold etfs since 2007 (and having been cashed out of the market, except for gold, when Sep 08 crash hit) that maybe they’d begin to listen to me. A couple of friends do but not my family business partners. With this have to deal with normal people who to Aspies seemingly have brain fog I give you Dr Michael Burry giving a speech at the 2012 UCLA’s economics graduation. He talks about foreseeing the housing collapse, the money he made from shorting the housing market and how he got treated by the government and FBI for simply asking the questions, in a NYT op-ed, of how it was that he saw it coming but the Fed, Congress, and President did not.