Episode-1430- Listener Calls for 9-19-14 — 35 Comments

  1. I haven’t listened yet, but am very interested in the cow topic. I have a four acre pasture and I’m trying to figure out how small my paddocks can be for a couple of feeder cows to do sort of a mini-mob grazing. If I take Salatin’s information of 100 cows on 100 acres with cows being on the same piece of land 3-4 times a year it tells me I should be able to cut four acres into about 90 paddocks for 3-4 cows and be in good shape. Say about 40 x 45 foot paddocks.
    I’ll find out if Jack talks about anything like this in that last segment.

    • Kevin, I bought the tri-fuel conversion kit from US Carburation and put it on my little 3250 watt Champion generator from Tractor Supply. 3 weeks ago we were without power for 4 days. I just plugged into my natural gas line, fired up the generator and let her run. I only shut down for a couple of nights while sleeping, just because there was no need for power then. I like that the generator runs cleaner and you don’t have to shut it down at awkward times to refuel. Also, natural gas is (as far as I understand) a helluva lot cheaper than gas! I’m glad I spent the $$ to do the conversion.

  2. Carlos Morales of Truth Over Comfort podcast is the guy I learned the most from about dealing with CPS.

    First, don’t let them in make them present a warrant. They normally don’t have a warrants and are looking for you to let them in so they can come up with a reason. Get a lawyer don’t sign anything no matter if they say you have too. They often try to get you to sign something which can be used to allow them to gather more evidence.

  3. I’ve found pepper spray to work great on a dog. One time, I was looking for rural property in Maine. The land was located such that I could not drive up to it and had to park on a dirt road then walk the rest of the way past a remote house. I got to the land and looked at it without problem. Going back, as I neared that house, Cujo came out after me. He looked like a black lab but was about twice the size, bulging with muscles, no idea what the thing was but it was fierce and no way was it letting me go down the only road back to my car. I’m not one of these people who confuses an overly friendly dog for an attacking dog… this one was an attacking dog. I pulled out the pepper spray and pressed the button; the dog leaped backwards to try to avoid the stream but maybe one or two drops actually hit the end of his snout. He immediately put his tail between his legs, had this “Oh I’m sorry please forgive me I’m going to go now don’t hurt me” look on his face, and cowered all the way back home. I’m so glad I had that pepper spray or I would have been looking for a nearby stick in the woods for the unpleasant task of trying to beat the dog back.

    There have been several other times where I had to draw pepper spray on an attacking dog, only to notice the dog readily backs up to 10-12 feet away and won’t get any closer without me having to actually spray. I suspect such dogs have been sprayed before and recognize the little can as something that will cause them pain, so they back away just enough to be out of range. That’s my theory anyway.

    • My Dad was a telephone lineman for 35 years & they issued “Dog STOP” spray in the little white can like you said. It had a STOP sign on it & was designed specifically for the use it was issued to him for. The spray was amazing- pinpoint out to about 7 yards. He “issued” me & Mom a can too 😉

    • I have had very different experiences with pepper sprays vs dogs, I have sprayed roughly 15 or 20 dogs over the last 14 years. Sometimes you don’t even have to actually hit them with it, I’m not sure if its the smell, or the sound, or what, but they are off like a rocket. A few have shaken their head and rubbed their faces on the ground as they trot away with their tails between their legs, and I have had a few that I literally hosed with the stuff that just stood there and growled. I’m not saying not to try it, just don’t let it be your only option, my recommendation would go to the bear spray fogger type canisters, as opposed to the stream type.

      My ASP baton has been more effective, and I have only had to actually hit 1 dog with it. They usually run as it snaps open. I have had to serve warrants at that same house since that incident, and the dog still runs when it sees me. If you have someone with asthma living in your home, the foam type of spray may be the better option.

      I have only ever seen 1 person that was unaffected by pepper spray, and he was one of our regulars. When the dispatchers told us who it was, we knew there was going to be a fight. He was actually a pretty nice guy when sober, but when he was on crack…. he was nicknamed “tank”, and he earned it. We sprayed him so many times over the years that I guess he just built up a resistance. He would stand there with the stuff dripping off his eye lashes and hardly even blink, but if you got it in his ear, he would crumple up, drop, and cry like a baby. I have seen people train to fight through it. When we were certified we got sprayed and then had to shoot our pistols for score, it was a miserable experience, but you aren’t going to see that sort of determination from your average thug who just wants your stuff. If they show that sort of determination they are most likely after YOU, specifically, and then you are on a whole other level.

      pepper spray vs people= good stuff

  4. Regarding overly protective parents and bus stops, this has been bugging me for a while. On my commute to work (into Massa-f’ing-chusetts), I got behind a school bus that was making stops. It stopped right in front of the 20mph “school zone” flashing sign for a pick-up. I thought to myself “That’s ironic there’d be a school bus stop right at the beginning of the school zone. It must be going to a different school because it’d be nuts if it were actually going to THIS school.” Then, the bus drives forward 100 feet and turns into the school!!

    My timing has been such that I’ve been behind that bus a few dozen times now, and it always makes this stop. There are usually several children at the stop, and a parent sitting there in a parked car with the engine running and a couple of the children inside the car so they don’t get hot or cold or whatever. When the bus gets there, the children get out of the car and into the bus, to be driven a whole whopping 100 feet to the school. If you won’t let them walk, why don’t you just drive them to the school instead of sit there with the engine running for 15 minutes? In case anyone is wondering, it’s a simple road with one lane in each direction and a sidewalk along the road going straight to the school. And, a crossing guard holding a stop sign that’s actually visible from the bus stop. By the way, this crossing guard never has to do anything since no children walk, but he’s always looking at every car going by giving us the evil-eye “I know you’re going to run over children and I’m going to get you in trouble” look. He stands there looking back and forth into the distance as if he’s a guard on a tower of the great wall of China searching the horizon for an invading enemy.

    Sorry Jack I just have to rant… this is driving me nuts. I can’t believe the amount of collective stupidity involved by everyone related to this school bus stop.

  5. RE: Dog Attack

    Illegal in most jurisdictions, yet very discrete, a 12″ billy club will take the fight out of any dog and nobody will be the wiser for it.

  6. Regarding the “Can’t Carry at Work” guy.
    I had the same problem, but my state specifically states parking lots are legal even for posted locations (EXCEPT Nuclear Plants). It was a pain taking off the gun, putting it in its box, then taking my holser off, etc. It was even worse trying to get it back on in the car while sitting etc, actually it was literally a pain in the ass. Then I found the VanGuard 2 (Glock and S&W M&P only not shield) “holster” It is actually a trigger cover that snaps on (and off quickly) with a strap the goes over the belt. I just take the whole thing off (don’t draw my gun) real easy as I use it appendix carry, and it goes in the box. Also no worries with re-holstering as the trigger is covered at all times.
    Here is a link to the website, it is great and I highly recommend it. (NO AFFILIATION OTHER THAN I OWN ONE)

  7. Regarding the jury discussion. What does one say to the other jurors, judge, etc. I can imagine being grilled by any of them for being the single decenter.
    Should one be concerned with saying that you are voting not-guilty because you don’t believe in the law. Seems like this would cause problems.

    • I haven’t personally encounter this, but I’ll certainly say that you don’t really have to give your real “reason” especially if you’re in that kind of a situation. Nobody, judge or otherwise would know about “you”, unless somebody (illegally, I might add) told them.

      • I did it and was willing to be the only juror voting not guilty. But we did discuss nullification and ultimately all twelve of us decided to nullify and came back with not guilty.

        • Wow I would love to know the charge and if there was any blow back or at least exasperation by the court.

        • We have a law in NH that allows the defense to explain and ask for nullification. Even so, it was a challenge to overcome past conditioning. 5 hours worth of deliberation. It was manufacture of a controlled substance and the plants pulled from his yard were the evidence. No denial on his part so it was only a case of do we want to nullify.

  8. As far as using a firearm for home defense, my grandfather used to have bird shot rounds in his pistols for the first two rounds. His thought was that he may not need to kill a person or may miss on the first two shots, but if he needed to move onto that third round he needed to be fully ready to put them down.

    • I’m actually going to correct you, they said 59!

      I’ll have to point out though that it would seem that the reason this is doable is due to the overwhelming amount of nutrients and bioactivity they’re pumping into the soil. The amount of compost tea they’re putting on, is just kind of borderline insane, but it makes sense. In my opinion, it would seem this is replacing feedlots with intentional extremely intensive bio-additions. A much bigger concern for me would be compaction of the soil, but I’m viewing this outside in. I mean you look anywhere around here where there is horse or cattle on too small of acreage and the fields look awful and highly compacted. 59 on 6 acres? I’m thinking a major mudhole. But I have no idea what that level of nutrients would do.

      • That’s the power of working with nature vs. Beating her back with the billy club of “science”.

        The possibility is there and the proof is there, all that is needed is some astute observation on how it fits into a particular scenario and the perspiration to implement.

        Personally I would start small and continually evaluate. Systems like this are like very strong muscles, they take awhile to build up. Just say no to steroids. Build the capacity organically (pun intended).

  9. Anyone happen to know the site Harris liked for propane conversions? I was in my car when I listened and can’t re listen now! I can dig it out later, but if anyone happened to know I’d be much obliged.

  10. In a land with no rain from Feb to Oct, but lush and green in the rainy season, I see grass eaten down to the dirt because the nutrients in the grass is what us left after a lack of rain and seed head drops. We are in truth feeding straw. We had a diary expert from the East who shook his head and told us to keep the animals off the land if we couldn’t irrigate. They eat the foliage down too far, and the grass can’t grow back.

  11. My CPS story.
    Short and sweet…My sister got dumped by her husband so the family and I moved her and her two kids to my house. After a few months she got a new job and a boyfriend. Her daughter remarked at school that her mom is never home.
    That prompted a visit from CPS.

    Two CPS “agents” showed up at my house. I was home along with my niece(10) and nephew(13). My nephew answered the door and came to get me. I met the agents at the door. They asked if they could speak with the children and I said no. I told them that I would give them their mother’s phone # and they would need her permission. They seemed a bit taken back.
    I stressed to them that they are in my care until their mother shows up. They requested to at least see them. I opened the door and pointed at them and said …see.

    They scheduled a time to come by and interview the children to make sure they weren’t abused and no one was molesting them. That was pretty much it. The moral of the story is train your children. They need to watch what they say.

    My niece’s perception was that her mother was never home. My home was a 3 bedroom house. My sister slept in the same bed with her daughter, my nephew was across the hall in his own room and I had the master bedroom downstairs. Since my sister would come home from work and make them dinner, make sure they were cleaned up and put them to bed. Then she would leave to spend time with her boyfriend. That happened maybe once or twice a week. One comment at school around the wrong person led these people to my front door.

  12. When I was a kid, after playing all day in the Southeast Texas Big Thicket, I would come in covered with chiggers and sometimes ticks. My grandmother would make me strip outside and then take a bath with a high concentration of bleach. That would kill the chiggers, but make my skin feel like I’d been in an over-chlorinated pool for way too long. She never did give me anything to keep them away (probably nothing worked).

  13. Will have to try sulfur I guess. I’m in zone 5 plenty of chiggers I found the hard way. Where I grew up (USDA zone 4), my grandma was always saying, “don’t go in there, you’ll get chiggers!”
    That chiggers burrow into the skin is a wives tale, usually gone by the time sustained itching occurs.
    I was in extreme discomfort, no luck with anything topical OTC including lavender oil. What finally helped was an “oil bomb” my wife made with three drops each lavender, peppermint and lemon oils in a capsule I took.

  14. On the propane conversion; Steve mentions that you’re not going to run for long off a BBQ tank. Any rough estimate on how long a 4000 watt portable is going to run off a 40lb tank?
    We don’t have a 500 gallon service tank or anything, but like the option of having a more stable type of fuel storage I can run off of…

    Thanks for any input!

  15. One quick comment regarding silvopastoral systems. (And I apologize for getting to this late in the game. I’m new to the podcast and don’t always hear them fresh off the airwaves.) Unless you live in the southern US and are using a fast-growing tree, e.g. loblolly pine, you should not expect to have sawtimber-sized trees at 30 years. Jack mentioned black walnut in the context of being able to capitalize the investment in a 30-year timeframe and potentially have the timber value meet or exceed the value of the farm. This is not feasible in 30 years with any hardwood for 2 reasons, growth rates, and grade. It is possible to achieve sawtimber-sized hardwood trees in 30 years in some parts of the country and with certain species–most species in the hardwood growing regions of the US will not do it biologically. The issue with achieving high-value sawtimber and veneer, however, relates to grade. Veneer grade logs are graded on several criteria including size, color, uniformity, percent heartwood, defects, sweep, crook, etc. High value sawtimber and veneer grade walnut will typically not have more than 8 rings/inch. That is a radial measurement, so that means that on average, as the tree was growing what is heartwood today, it needs to have been adding 1 inch of diameter every 4 years. Many veneer buyers won’t look at a log unless it is 16″, inside bark, on the small end (maybe smaller if there is a very low sapwood:heartwood ratio). Even with a buyer who will take a short log, that means an 18″ tree, outside bark, at chest height. 18 inches at an average of 1 inch every 4 years is 72 years. Now most reasonable people know that trees can add diameter faster when young because a single year’s worth of wood is being added to a smaller cylinder. Nonetheless, one shouldn’t expect to even enter into the veneer and upper grade sawtimber markets until your trees are at least 50 and in most cases 60. Open grown trees will grow faster than trees in a closed canopy, but keep in mind that there may be a grade deduction because of too-fast growth.

    Don’t be discouraged; however, you will most likely make more from the trees’ walnut production over those 50 years than you will get from timber. And, that is cash flow early in the investment period, so the NPV of the walnut production will very likely look better on the balance sheet than the timber.

    Key point: Expect to get Grade 2 and better trees in a silvopasture system with walnuts, with veneer comprising 5% or less of the total volume. Harvest the nuts because those buggers are going to meet or exceed the timber value in the long run.