Episode-1377- Listener Calls for 6-27-14 — 77 Comments

  1. Soccer. The third most boring sport to watch, just above baseball and right below tennis and golf. Sorry, just my opinion.

    • Agreed but you know what it is one of the most exciting to play, period and very tough. I actually was kind of a child phenom with soccer and only quit when I moved to PA and the school just didn’t have a team so I played football instead.

      I was on a team called the JU Jaugars in the 80s, it was and still is a very big deal in Jacksonville. Here is some info on it!untitled/c1nhz basically it was the top 18 youth players in the Jacksonville in each year, I made the team twice in a row. I was only the third to have ever done so. Please don’t take my comment that I don’t like to watch soccer to mean that I don’t respect the effort and work it takes to be a world class player. Frankly the reason the US sucks at soccer on a global scale is our best athletes all play baseball, basketball, football or hockey because that is where the money is here.

      I kind of felt bad after my response, my son is a huge soccer fan and I know the sport is a damn tough one to be really good in and they train hard as hell, that said watching it bores the shit out of me. I also would agree that tennis and golf are the worst to watch! I don’t know how anyone watches either!

      • Golf spectators are funny, as soon as the guy tees off they clap and cheer. There’s no way they can tell if its a good shot that early, lol. Then when he finally makes it in the hole they cheer again, no shit he made it in, he doesn’t stop until he does. A hole in one, yeah ill cheer for that, but anyone can make it in eventually. Lol.

    • I agree. Football (American) has nothing on soccer for being physically demanding. The closest sport to it for sheer endurance required is basketball, and that court is MUCH smaller than a soccer pitch. The fact that you can spend 90 minutes watching guys running back and forth on the field with no score being made at all, then just stopping and allowing a tie… not for me.

      • Well have you ever played hockey? The skates do reduce the energy required but hockey is basically soccer with a stick with a much more liberal definition of a legal check. I have to rank it at least as demanding when you play at a high level.

        I laid a few people out in soccer and was laid out a few times too. Even when totally LEGAL and no card was issued the ref still verbally warned you, I mean in a legal check if the guy went down you got warned, WTF!

        Where as I put guys flat into the glass playing hockey and no one said a word not even the guy that got the beating, I was also on the other end quite a few times of stuff like that. Perhaps it is one of the many reasons I just don’t get our pussified society today!

        I remember playing street hockey with some college kids when I first moved to Texas, I was 21 so they were no younger than me. I checked this guy clean in the chest with a shoulder check and he went flat on his ass. All the guys were all down on me like I was some sort of meanie or something. “We don’t do that” etc. I simply adapted to their version of the game but told them later they didn’t know what the F hockey was.

        Sadly the guy I planted was about 6’3″ and about 240, I was if I was soaking wet 190 at the time and about 5″9″, I could not believe this big ass Texan was hurt physically and emotionally by a guy my size! I have to say if these kids had ever played sand lot football with the guys I grew up with they would have ran home crying!

        This was about 1993! Today I guess things just keep getting more and more pussified!

      • I’ve found pick-up Hockey to be very similar to sparring if you are boxing/kickboxing/mma (I’ve done both at a competitive level). The level of contact kinda depends on the people involved and how you happen to be doing things that day. If you are just playing in the 6-pack hockey league or trying to work on your timing or counters in boxing, the guy that shows up and goes balls to the wall is…well…”that guy.”

        That being said, I concur that Soccer is boring to watch and very tough to play. I also believe that Hockey is one of the most demanding sports – it’s an insane mix of skill (skating, stickhandling, etc) and brute physical strength and endurance.

        • Just for the record it wasn’t even close to “balls to the wall” it was a typical check and not a particularly hard one, the kind where you don’t even expect that the guy would go down. You know where you are just looking to move them back a step so you can take the puck. Something you might even do to a team mate in celebration, that type of thing.

          He went down because the entire concept of that type of contact was something they never even considered doing, ever. IDK it is just one of many experiences that have stuck with me that people in general are becoming weaker, softer and hypersensitive. People actually cry about shit at this point, full on tears in the eyes that amount to being upset that someone said something “mean”.

          This happens when the person was just kidding and frankly when the person was being a fing jerk but why the hell is an ADULT going to cry over a comment made by a person they often don’t even really know and who will in no way effect their future.

          When I tried out for football the coach said I am giving you a chance to play because you are good at X, Y and Z but you absolutely suck at A-F and he said SUCK, in fact he said some of what I did was “beyond suck” and if I wanted to stay on the team I had better work hard at being better every day because he let me in by the skin of my teeth and there were plenty of others that would like my spot.

          Such a coach would likely be fired and fined today, I credit him for making me at least part of the success that I am. Soon I fear all such men will be castrated and shoved out of general society and we will find ourselves in a new dichotomy. One of the helpless on one side and the blood thirsty on the other.

        • I didn’t mean to insinuate that you were “that guy,” more just wanted to express how contact level differs from camp to camp in various sports. To me – there’s not a lot of gray area of hockey – it’s either check or no check! That dude shouldn’t get butthurt if he had his ego bruised by the smaller guy!

          And I agree that people are becoming too soft nowadays. This is RAMPANT in the business world. The amount of whining I have to hear from co-workers about insignificant issues that no one has any control over is mind-numbing.

          As my own anecdote – I have people working under me (I’m in my 30s) who absolutely suck at what they do. Recently, I became so frustrated with one of these people (this person is 26 years old) that I went off and listed out no less than 10 specific examples of absolute crap for work product, and how they needed to be corrected. My delivery was direct but I didn’t just tear this person down – I told them exactly what to do to correct it. An hour later, I received a call from MY MANAGER stating that I needed to back off and that upper management would “handle it.” This person was probably delicately spoken with, and told to “get out there and do a better job next time Johnny!”

          The boxing gym was a haven of strong willed, mentally tough people. It was always refreshing to get punched in the face by these fine individuals.

  2. So, I guess the big issue with licenses for me; it is how the government whether state or federal abuses their citizens with different ways to take licenses, impose sanctions for arbitrary law violations, etc. The first go to thing to impose a sanction on is a drivers license. In many states driving without a license has become so prolific you you can easily spend up to 365 days in jail with your car being impounded and auctioned off. While I don’t disagree that an operator needs to show proof that he/she can use a vehicle I also believe that a license should not be the states first go-to for sanctions that have nothing to with driving. Also on that note, it is interesting to me that another state can revoke your license in a different state for a parking ticket/speeding ticket, etc.. I know this comment is a little convoluted, but I hope you understand the reasoning.. Basically, not against licenses… Maybe it’s more of a disagreement with how the state uses and distributes licenses.

    • A little more background on what I mean by this as an example. A friend of mine went through a toll bridge, one of those that capture your license plate and send the bill to your house. He just got out of the Army and was heading back to his home of record. His mail was forwarded, and the toll never showed up at his new address. Three months later he was pulled over for a broken taillight 1400 miles away in his home state. His car was impounded, he was thrown in jail for driving without a license. Lost his job, his car was auctioned off while he was in jail. The aforementioned state had revoked his license in that state, which through NCIC revoked it in his home state. Because the fine was not paid within the 60 day window he received a court date which he did not know about, and therefore was charged with a failure to appear “ticket.” Giving him a warrant for a traffic misdemeanor. Now said friend cannot get his license back without going 1400 miles back to the state he was stationed, go to jail for anywhere between 60-365 days, spend another month on house arrest, and a year on probation in the state he moved away from to get his license back in his home state, to be able to go back to work in his field, and buy a firearm again. THIS is what I have a problem with, not necessarily required proof that said operator can operate a vehicle.

      • What you describe above is one of the consequences of people trying to choose safety over freedom and principle. Driving should be a right that all people have until or unless they do something to justify the restriction or loss of that right. Innocent until proven guilty means one should not have to pay for a crime they have not committed i.e. liability insurance. People with Jack’s point of view insist on licenses for driving and people like Dianne Feinstein insist on licenses for gun ownership. Since a gun can easily be as deadly as a car then why not require gun owners to have a license use a gun on public property or transport a gun through public property? For that matter why stop at just a license when gun insurance could also be required? The reason we live in a Nazified society is because people have a desire to use the power of government to control other people. Next thing you know and they’ll be outlawing smoking in bars… oh, I guess they already did that. As for me, I want liberty, even if it means I get an occasional whiff of cigarette smoke, see someone in public without clothes, or any of the other annoying things that would occur more frequently if a free society were to arise. Freedom is not perfect but it beats tyranny hands down. It’s one thing to call yourself a libertarian but really being one is a whole other thing.

        • Well there are already rules and laws about where you can and can’t carry a gun, many such rules even existed at the time the founders were still here. What you and people like you fail to understand (largely because you just don’t want to) is that a right to do or own something doesn’t extend to the property of others. For instance you have a right to free speech but YOU DON’T have a right to free speech that extends to my property. You can say what you want on your blog, but you say what I allow you to say on mine and when I limit what I do with MY BLOG it isn’t about your right to free speech it is about my RIGHT TO MY PROPERTY.

          Again the roads are PUBLIC PROPERTY, they belong to all of us and the RULES FOR USING THEM therefore are part of the public domain. There is no logical arguement around this, there are no doubt better solutions but claiming in anyway that having to have a license to drive on a road YOU DO NOT PERSONALLY OWN violates your rights is just being a libnoramus.

          It really is simple. You have a right to carry a gun, I feel many of the laws that say you need this or cant do that are unconstitutional, period. But the carrying of a gun is not inherently dangerous, the simple act of driving a car is. If you look at the number of accidental gun discharges IN PUBLIC they are minute, tens of thousands die every year on the road, there are over a million collisions. This is a stupid comparison as stupid as when libtards make the argument the other way around.

          Let me finish with again, your right doesn’t extend to the violation of my rights. In other words I think you have a right to carry a gun, YOU DO NOT HAVE that right on my property, period. I may extend you the priviledge of doing so but it is a privilege on my property for you and a right for me, if you don’t like my rules you don’t have to be on my property.

        • @Thomas
          ‘Driving should be a right that all people have until or unless they do something to justify the restriction or loss of that right.’

          This can be restated as:
          You should not be required to demonstrate your ability to drive safely until AFTER you’ve killed someone with your vehicle, or destroyed someones property.

          Now.. operating a vehicle on YOUR OWN PROPERTY is of course is an entirely different issue (I was driving on our family farm at 10). Operating a vehicle in a PUBLIC (shared) SPACE is entirely different.

          If you want to relate this to your right to carry a firearm.. you have said right, on your property. You do NOT have a RIGHT to carry a firearm on MY property (yes, I realize many people are going to start howling at this statement).

          This again extends into rights within SHARED property.. the owners of the shared property must come to an agreement on what will be allowed on the shared property.

          Why? For the same reason that I can’t walk into your house and start demanding my RIGHT to pass thru your kitchen (you sir, are impeding my freedom of movement with this incoveniently placed dwelling!). Or for that matter, my RIGHT to drive across your garden patch.

          IM(very)HO.. individual libertarianism is the BEGINNING of the debate. After which we need to start discussing how it works ‘in public’ (shared space/resources), and illustrating the differences in behavior.

          Demanding that SHARED property should have the rules that you want (or no rules at all) doesn’t sound terribly libertarian.

          And there is no future scheme I can think of where there would be zero shared property (try and imagine how such a world would work).

        • I’m recanting my own statement. Its not clear enough to be a valid argument.

          I have been thinking of ‘the government’ as a megacorporation in which all of the citizens are ‘shareholders’. Like most megacorporations, the board of directors pretty much ignores that the shareholders want while lining their own pockets.

          Unfortunately, the mega-corp keeps pushing into new ‘service markets’ and monopolizing them.. with the usual monopoly results. Crappy products and higher prices.

        • I hate taking things to the absurd to make a point, but here goes. So based on your argument it should be legal for ANYBODY to drive the public roads. That would mean you would be perfectly fine with a 12 year old kid who can barely see over the dashboard and can barely reach the pedals to drive on the roads with you? That it should be perfectly legal for someone drunk and unable to walk should be able to drive on the road until he kills someone? That it should be okay for someone to drive 80mph down a residential street until he runs down your child?

          You may say this isn’t what you are talking about, but if you are saying a license isn’t constitutional the all the other laws ensuring safety shouldn’t exist either.

          The only degree to which I might agree with you is the ongoing tax you have to pay to keep your license current.

        • I am undecided on this and have some questions.

          Jack you said:

          ” a right to do or own something doesn’t extend to the property of others. For instance you have a right to free speech but YOU DON’T have a right to free speech that extends to my property”


          “Again the roads are PUBLIC PROPERTY, they belong to all of us and the RULES FOR USING THEM therefore are part of the public domain.”

          Are you saying that freedom of speech is not a right but a privilege on public property?

          Are all rights subservient to property rights?

          What about freedom of religion? Should the public have the right to tell me not to pray on public property?

          Freedom of the press? Does the public have the right to restrict the press on public property?

          Is the story that Keith shared in any way Justice?

          On the other hand….

          Should a reckless and dangerous driver be allowed the right to drive a 2 ton vehicle?

          Does requiring a drivers license really infringe on a persons freedom of travel?

          Can the power to take it away be abused by a corrupt government?

          Does the taking of a drivers license really take the right of travel away? Or could that person still travel as a passenger?

        • Please don’t cross over the the world of the libnoramus!

          The answer to EVERY question is it depends. Anyone with a brain knows this including you. For instance you have a right to free speech YOU DON’T have a right to incite a panic by screaming fire in a public building where there is no fire. Your right to pray doesn’t extend to you and your friends creating a giant prayer circle and impeding movement of others in a common space or to interfere with others activities by screaming out the Book of Revelation on a giant speaker system.

        • Anything the government can give, such as a license is something they can take away. So I understand the impulse to reject the idea of a drivers license. That does not mean I agree with that idea.

          I do agree with the idea that a driver should be able to prove they have the ability and the responsibility to handle a vehicle in a safe manner before they can drive on public roads.

          However, I also think that there should be no license requirement to open carry a firearm. As is the case here in Michigan. Anyone (except a felon) can open carry without a license of any sort in places where that is allowed, which is most of the state.

          Those ideas appear to be inconsistent with each other, but…

          We have to look at the basic rights to find the truth. We are talking about Freedom of movement within the states, and the right to defend yourself.

          If there were a license to open carry that could be taken away, then that would most certainly take away a persons right to defend themselves against a more powerful threat. Which may be justified if the person has proven to be violent, or irresponsible with a firearm.

          However a persons freedom of movement within the United States would not be taken away by taking a drivers license away. They can take advantage of many alternative and efficient methods of travel besides driving themselves.

          In short the right to drive does not exist, the right to travel however does.

          Having said that I completely reject the argument that civil rights can be taken on public property based solely on property rights. There is a reason they are called PRIVATE property rights, not GOVERNMENT property rights!

        • See here is the hole in your theory though. Your assertion is that since you don’t need a license to carry in MI well the state can’t take away that right then you disprove it in the same sentence, “anyone but a felon” so the right with no license can be taken. What if they decide okay Class 3 misdemeanors too, and well anyone on psychotropic drugs next, etc.

          The state can forbid basically any group of people it wishes to as longs as a majority of voters goes along with it, license or not.

          Here is one that will blow your mind, your right to own a gun in MI in relation to MI law, isn’t protected by the constitution or the 2nd amendment thereof AT ALL if we go by the letter of the law. The constitution NEVER applied to the states UNLESS it specifically mentioned them. This was upheld in court over and over until about the turn of the 20th century. When the original states ratified the constitution they did so only because they were not subject to it unless specifically mentioned.

          This doesn’t mean you don’t have a right to own a gun, just that by law it really isn’t protected the way you think it is. Now the truth is when the courts decided to change that and have done so with effectively no real challenge and now we have well over a hundred years of precedent, it now IS protected by the second, of course this is an unintended consequence of the liberal judges that did so.

          Did you know this? Did you know that the Constitution only applied to the federal government unless it specifically mentions the states and that such was the letter of the law until abut 1900?

        • “The state can forbid basically any group of people it wishes to as longs as a majority of voters goes along with it, license or not. ”

          I agree that the state has that power, right or wrong the state does.

          That does not change the fact that licensing implies a privilege that can be granted by the state, not a right that can be stolen by the state. There is a difference.

          I am of the opinion that licensing open carry would severely infringe upon the right to defend yourself. While licensing a driver does not severely limit the freedom of movement among the states.

        • Yes, I did know that the constitution was meant to limit the power of the federal government only and not the states. That is kind of the point of a multi state union, if you find one state to restrictive of your rights you can move.

          Of course you must remember that the states already had constitutions and laws in place protecting an individuals rights, so doing so in the federal constitution would have been redundant and unnecessary. Which was the argument against the bill of rights.

  3. Hey Jack, thanks for taking the call from my nephew Tripp rapidly yielding livestock in a permaculture system. He is beyond fired up after being at Elisha’s Springs last weekend and is currently seeking to conquer the world via permaculture. Aah youth… He wants to know when I can get animals onto our old family farm that hasn’t seen even a chicken in 40 years. Something tells me it’s going to happen soon now that he has a fire lit under his ass!

    Again, thank you making a deposit into the best IRA this uncle has: the younger generation of my family. You’ve made the entire year of that kid as well as mine. Swales and food forests are great but they pale in comparison to our kids.

  4. Can you use waxed cardboard for sheet mulching? The small farm I’m doing a design on right now has a constant supply of waxed produce boxes that they currently burn. I’d like to use them for sheet mulching and composting instead. I’ve found one college study that shows waxed cardboard up to 15% doesn’t impact quality of compost so I’m leaning toward it being okay. My concern is would it impact their being “Organic” as the wax used for these is petroleum based. I’m thinking one layer of this stuff shouldn’t leave any measurable contaminant when the study says they couldn’t measure it at 15% in compost.

    • Can you? Yes, and likely in time it will break down nicely. Do I? Nope I only use card board that isn’t laminated with any slicks or what ever.

    • Well, it may not be as much of an issue. I just found out they got another source of produce that may not use the waxed cardboard. Silly cranky neighbor who hates the fact that an actual farmer purchased the farm next to him and is using it to raise animals and who has customers who buy farm production (sorry for the run-on, but it’s so ridiculous I had to) called the news media after the 30 calls to the police in the last two years didn’t run the farmer off. The news ran about a 5 minute segment on the argument between the farmer and the cranky old neighbors. The neighbors are bitchy because they had a piglet and a couple of chickens got out and were on their property once. The traffic on the country lane has also increased.
      This farmer gives away expired produce to anyone in the community who needs it (read helping the neady) so one day a week they have about 40 families show up to glean from what they have (the source of the increased traffic). Any produce which is too far gone for human consumption supplements the feed for his livestock.
      The end result of the news segment (which was surprisingly unbiased) is Costco reached out to the farmer to offer them 10-15 pallets of expired produce a week. It looks like those pallets are huge cardboard boxes on pallets that they fill up with their expired produce and from the pictures he sent me it looks like they may not be waxed.

  5. The caller mentioned non-GMO cause it was sweet corn. I thought that was the case and it looks like GMO sweet corn in the US is “less” common. I think that was the human consumption point.

    Buying rabbit feed, I opted for a feed without corn and soy and I buy that. All the feed bags list the ingredients. If its not organic and I can find organic or Non-GMO, I find feeds without soy and corn.

  6. I actually like most of the guests you bring on the show. I think it adds more ideas and a different take on things. I think maybe 10% of the guests I haven’t gotten anything out of it. Even the other day I still got the cement and Styrofoam thing, I was just upset because I really wanted more from the topic (what can I do, or enable at my company versus go to a bunch of town hall meetings and hope they give a crap).

    I seem to be in the minority that likes the guests 🙂

    • I agree, Adam. I have enjoyed most of the guests, including the ones who are out if my interest sphere. There was a time when Permaculture was out of my sphere so ya never know what will happen if we allow ourselves to be exposed to multiple viewpoints and ideas.

      • That is so true. I remember when Jack first interviewed Paul Wheaton. I was outside weeding my flower bed at my old house. That interview changed my life and sent me down a path of getting a homestead and growing/raising healthy food instead of keeping my postage size stamp lawn. Before than I was just stock piling food in the basement. I think that interview changed Jack’s life too… after it the podcast went heavy into permaculture and now started a permaculture farm.

  7. I like the ‘cube your car’ sentiment. Kind of surprised at your stance on the right to road debate in a good way. I had you pigeon-holed in the libertarian platform but I always say somebody’s stupid doesn’t have the right to walk over me. I opt out of gun ranges cuz I don’t trust dumbass clowns to be responsible with guns. Shithead on the road does stupid shit and kills my kids then lives I want his head. Accidents happen but bad players get away with too much. Old dude w money totaled my wife’s SUV while it was parked on street 4 blocks from the waffle shop. Fortunately she wasn’t in there cuz bumper got pushed up to the front seat. He got up enough speed in 4 blocks to do that and said she pulled in front of him. Wasn’t the first time incident and they let him back on the road. Happens all the time. Commercial drivers under heavy scrutiny and a short leash but rank and file 4 wheel driver has right to wreckless abandon. I don’t think so. Jack is spot on here.

    • So many people are afraid of so many things and insist on trying to control others which is why so many essential freedoms continue to be taken away. There is no way licensing can ever make cars safe; if you want safe cars then maybe a centralized computer system could drive every car to eliminate accidents. Of course that would also limit freedom so which do you want… Freedom or Security?

      • Continued Libnoramus talk! No one said a lisence made cars safe, what they do is provide a level of reasonable assurance that a person can drive to a reasonable degree before they get their ass in a 4,000 pound hunk of metal and hurl 70MPH on a PUBLIC road where all other OWNERS of said road have collectively decided that for the current time a Drivers License is the solution most want.

        Frankly that assertion that a DL infringes on your liberty is one of the most ridiculous assertions that I have ever heard. It is one of the things that makes the liberty movement look completely stupid to the rest of society. Like I said there are other solutions such as a third party verification service that is privately run, etc. The key though is, you have to be at least reasonable about where were currently are and how we got here.

        Oh, hold on, this solves it, real fast Thomas, do you have a drivers license?

        • To answer your question I have been living for several years overseas in a place where I don’t have a need to drive and my driver’s licenses have expired. Before driving again I would be certain to have a valid license so that some criminal in a uniform does not extort money from me or try to kidnap me and put me in a cage.

          There is no such thing as a victimless crime and nobody should be penalized (insurance premiums) for something they have not done (car accident).

          As far as how we got here is concerned i.e. how these laws came about, that is something I know nothing about and will have to study up on.

      • I’d say its the’ give a drunk a drink’ enablement argument you’re selling here, TA. I wouldn’t want a self taught, self proclaimed surgeon, lawyer etc either. An argument can be made for anything. Few things scare me. Stupid people in large numbers are one of them. We r engaged in endless empire seeking warfare in the name of ‘freedom’. Jumping off a building is real freedom, it’s just that sudden stop that bites. Application of common sense is no guarantee of security any more than absence of war is the definition of peace. Freedom is most often eroded by people seeking shortcuts and stepping on each other or selling out their fellow man for personal gain instead of displaying character, honor, responsibility and integrity which leaves opportunity for power mongers.

    • As maybe a different way to think about this subject:

      Granting any ‘company’ a monopoly on a service leads to abuse of the customer.

      This is doubly so for services that are UNIQUE and not OPTIONAL.

      Erase Trolls – Monopoly is not particularly harmful. No one needs an eraser troll.
      Water – Monopoly is extremely harmful.

      As Lysander Spooner and others has pointed out a Monopoly requires Force (en-force-ment). As governments are granted (or at a minimum seek) a monopoly on force, it makes sense that they are the monopolists par excellence. Expanding their force monopoly into new ‘markets’ (licensing for example) at every opportunity.

  8. Jack, as far as a carry gun goes, yeah I’m with you on the Bersa 380. I bought one for my wife. As for myself I have a Springfield XDS .45 and I love it. It’s just about the same size as the Bersa. For people that a .45 is to much for, they do make the XDS 9mm. Anyways they may be a good choice for the caller.

    • I’d like to give some love to my favorite, “when I can’t carry my regular pistol” the Taurus PT-22. It’s super concealable, has a 10 round capacity and is reliable as hell.

      My friends and I torture the ever loving crap out of these guns when we train with them and they have held up very well.

      Yes its only .22 caliber. But at under five yards, to paraphrase my friend, my assailant will have 10 holes in him before he realizes I’ve shot him.

      • …and your assailant coming at you with a blunt or blade weapon, if not a gun, would run you through while your .22 cal pistol is empty and God forbid if the assailant had a gun they just might shoot you dead. Always carry a round that can stop the threat, not angering it. Just some food for thought.

        • Exactly killing someone doesn’t help you if they kill you too before they die. With gun rounds there is killing efficiency and there is also stopping power. Does the shot stop the attack is more important that is the attacker dead.

          Consider a 38 with rat shot, not a good choice because you can’t always pick your spot to shoot at but if you had this and if a guy came at you and if popped him twice in the face, he could die but the odds are low, but I bet you stop the attack right? People that are blind and in intense pain from a few hundred pellets in the face, nose, eyes, neck, forehead, ears, etc. are not effective attackers.

          That all being said the 22 is far more effective as both a killer and a stopper than most believe. When we put away theory and look at what has actually occured we find a lot of myths BUSTED! Check this out,

          Everyone knows that the 22 is no where near as effective as the 9mm right.

          Well in this report of actual shootings over a decade we learn the following based on rounds that hit an human being.

          % of hits that were fatal – 34%
          Average number of rounds until incapacitation – 1.38


          % of hits that were fatal – 24%
          Average number of rounds until incapacitation – 2.45

          So when we look at actual shootings the 22 did better. Now this is not totally conclusive. Almost all 22 ammo is soft lead, it expands and penetrates and moves slow enough to do a lot more damage than we expect.

          One has to wonder of the 9mm shootings given they are the choice of thugs today how many were FMJ and how different the numbers might be if we only looked at 9mm shootings with soft nose and hollow point ammo. Still what if we look at a much more powerful round.

          Say one that has very few options for FMJ and most ammo is going to be jacketed flat point or hollow point. I mean the 22 in the real world can’t hold a candle to the 357 right? Well, um, ahhh, um, get this,

          357 Magnum
          % of hits that were fatal – 34%
          Average number of rounds until incapacitation – 1.7

          % of hits that were fatal – 34%
          Average number of rounds until incapacitation – 1.38

          Reality is hard to accept some times but this is kind of clear isn’t it?

          The reality is simple, where you are hit tends to be more important that what hit you.

        • Jack those are some interesting numbers to say the least. Those numbers and something you wrote, ”where you are hit tends to be more important than what hit you”, has me thinking. I wonder if most cases involving a .22 were indeed shots to the head and if other calibers where mostly shots to the torso. Either way I’ll always carry my XDS .45 ACP. I have more faith in it even though the stats don’t support my rational. Let me add I do own several .22 LR firearms, including a pistol. It’s fun and cheap to shoot and it works great for putting down fox when I’m trapping in the winter.

        • or his friend could stab me in the back…. the bartender could be his best friend and have a shotgun under the bar…. a clan of ninjas sworn to protect his clan could drop from the ceiling and turn me into chunky salsa… or his heart and lungs could suffer 9 very quick wounds. who knows.

          I prefer to, when possible carry the most amount of firepower, friends and armor into a fight as practical. Speaking of which the only round I’m confident in stopping the threat is a 12 gauge slug. Since that is definitely not an option for concealed carry. Lets. go back to a universe where reality sometimes deals us a crappy hand where compromises need to be made that are far less than ideal.

          The original caller’s options for an alternate handgun when he couldn’t carry his regular handgun were extremely small in size leading me to believe that the ability to conceal the firearm, like from private security goons, over almost all other things was required. The PT-22 fits that very small role for me.

  9. For the caller and others wanting an AR15, If you DO build you own, go ahead and have a gunsmith lined up to check the headspace!
    -OR – if you don’t have a gunsmith, order your caliber guages second in line after the barrel!
    ….223 and 300 BO are pretty easy to get, but 5.56 NATO Guages are hard to find- and slooowww to get on backorder.

    I do not have any gunsmiths in my area, so I ordered my own Headspace Guages- and they took months to get back in stock at Midway USA.
    So , I have had everything ready and waiting to assemble for months, and just recently -Finally got the backordered GO Guage.

    Also, Depending on what you want, a high dollar showpiece, or a low cost budget AR15, Palmetto State Armory usually has lowers available- and, sometimes has great deals on “Blemished” lowers and uppers.

  10. Is a granite based soil necessarily starting from biology or alkaline? It depends… ; )

    • Well while soils that build on lava and granite tend to be less alkaline and move to acidic more swiftly, I don’t think granite itself is acidic, I think it is actually neutral to slightly alkaline it just doesn’t constantly break down and dump tons of alkalinity into the soil like lime does. My point is most eco systems begin alkaline and success to acidic. To put it another way, at one time we had mostly oceans and rocks right, not much more. The PH of the ocean is 7.5-8.4.

      • Yeah, I don’t have a bone to pick here. More chuckling to myself how the subtlety and nuance of this vast field of knowledge called ‘reality’ requires the ‘it depends’ caveat. There are definitely acid pH parent igneous rocks with direct influence on resulting soil pH often depending on mineral inclusions just like toxic soils resulting from serpentine parent material like New Caledonia. Physical weathering breaks rocks without biology but then you’d have to question whether it qualifies as soil or support matrix for pioneer species. Ocean pH and dissolved minerals has varied wildly w fluctuating sea levels over time from, dare I say, natural climate change. I agree the biology such as mycorrhizae soften, forgive and balance most of these issues. More to my point, I love your podcast because you tackle big and real issues instead of being a walking birth canal. I quit other media long ago, nice to find a quality replacement.

  11. Sheet Mulching:
    To the caller on sheet mulching. I did a couple of posts on sheet mulching after learning about it at a workshop Jack had at his house.

    I used cardboard. All kinds of cardboard and paperboard. Whatever I can get my hands on. I used it for erosion control. I don’t have gutters, yet so I have issues with erosion around my house. I stacked the cardboard like shingles, but opposite of the water flow. My first post goes into this.

    I did a follow up post, just recently, to finish the rest of the project.

    Molasses is amazing. I also learned this trick at Jack’s food forest workshop. We built some mulched areas along his swales. I used it in my garden while establishing the beds with legumes. They loved it.

  12. As to the Tattoo Shop offering discounts to first responders- I’d look at the stay at home moms as a solution not a problem (of course they’re arrogant overbearing self-entitled- that’s why they call them CUSTOMERS). As a business your responsibility is to make a profit, so figure out a way to make the moms feel “special” at the same time you’re gleaning a profit. Say that Wednesday afternoon is your slowest day of the week- well, make that “we honor hard working moms with discounts every Wednesday from 1-3pm…blah blah blah.” It’s all about marketing.
    If people are whining about a way to spend money at your establishment, find a way to let them do it.

    • One thing that struck me about that call….. I know tattoos are somewhat more mainstream now, but even so, really how many “stay at home moms” comprise their regular customer base? Not a percentage worth chasing methinks.

      BUT… I think marketing specials for “tattoo removal/modification” services for this demographic would make a killing. I can’t help but think of all the college girls I remember from 10+ years ago with lower back tattoos (for tact’s sake I won’t use the common euphemism for said tattoos lol), and how many of those women are rethinking that decision now? ;^)

    • I actually did mention in the call that I was doing different discounts for different “professions,” mentioned diversifying the clientele, and rewarding page followers. In that regard, I think both of the concerns posted (as far as my responsibility to make “SAHM” feel special and to make money) have been addressed, planned for and executed. Literally the only reason that I called this in was delusion that these women had that they felt they deserved the same recognition as emergency personnel and first responders.

      There was no question as to the marketing or financial return of said marketing. I think that if we fail to see the issue at hand (that Mommies [like the teachers mentioned by Jack] feel that they deserve the same recognition and attention as people who risk their lives every day,) it is a potential slippery slope for devaluing the professions that are dangerous as well is perpetuated the delusions of grandeur of people who see themselves as greater than they are.

      I think this eludes to the issue we (as a culture) are facing with the “me, me me” and “now, now, now” attitude in that people only care about what they want, and what the (think that they) deserve and they can/do not take the time to appreciate what others are doing, have done or are capable of doing.

      Yes, as a business owner it is my fiduciary responsibility to bring a profit- however also as a business owner it is my right to offer a discount to whomever I please, and I’d rather lose the potential “business” of the person that demands a discount than bend my convictions and devalue the work of those who have earned it. I get it, I know it is just a tattoo, and not a new house or a new car- but I’ll be damed if a “SAHM” deserved the same recognition as a serviceman, police officer, EMT, paramedic of other emergency personnel (even the crappy ones.)

      • I completely agree! As for John’s comments about customers, I have a solution for customers like he just described, I FIRE THEM. I have no time for self important, delusional, megalomaniac customers that suck my time and resources that should be spent caring for and providing service to good customers that want to do business with me.

        This is actually simple business. The customer is NOT always right because the customer doesn’t always and usually doesn’t know what is required to serve them. Long ago at a company I was a partner in we had a numbers guy, you know a genius type that was a math guy like the guy on the TV show NUMBERS, that kind of genius. We gave him the records of our customer service to the 5 customers that everyone agreed were the biggest problem customers we had. Not the most demanding but the most annoying, biggest complainers, etc.

        His basic calculation was we were losing about 20 dollars an hour serving them in just a raw calculation. We were not surprised we pretty much had determined that, our question to him when looking at the totality of the numbers, close ratios, current opportunities, cold prospecting results, etc. Our question to him was with that considered what do these people cost us in total lost business per hour. The number was about 500 dollars an hour, needless to say we fired all five of them.

        They were all shocked, indigent, two threatened us with “you’ll never do business with our company again”. One was a small company and we responded with, “that’s the plan” the other was quite large and we did have a lot of good business in their other departments. Our response to that was, “we have already notified the other departments and your corporate HQ of our decision, we already have their support in this matter and simply are saying we no longer wish to fill orders for your department”.

        The team on our end felt like we cared about them, they started really kicking ass, we grew total sales by 17% during the next quarter (oh this was in 2009 during the recession by the way and the company was in TECHNICAL RECRUITING).

        Shitty customers need to be fired, it is that simple.

        Now on this issue, saying something to your market only means something if you actually mean what you say. Imagine, “we are doing a discount for all mothers today because it is mother’s day” and if fathers expected it too, because what they do is just as difficult and just as important. In this case the role is actually equal, unlike the scenario Constance laid out. But it isn’t father’s day it is MOTHER’S day, I’d personally tell such men to either come back on father’s day or to grow breasts and a vagina if they want the discount.

        Father’s day is for fathers, mother’s day for mothers, a first responder’s day is for FIRST RESPONDERS. Anyone that doesn’t get that is a customer you don’t want!

        • Thank you for understanding, Jack! On the business end, we are not “hurting for business;” we were just looking to hand out a little discount and intended to do it in such a way that we could control who gets it (and when) as that is one of the benefits of being the boss 🙂 As my husband pointed out, a lot of people do not realize is that this is not a “swipe and go” transaction. People pay by the hour, but we only charge for the time we are actually tattooing. All of the planning, drawing and inevitable changing of said drawings and plans are on our own time. The kind of person who practically demands a discount (that they do not deserve as it does not apply to them) is, from experience, the kind of person that is going to be a pain in the ass. As they already think/believe they are holier than thou, they also think that their ideas are better, they know what will work, how long it should take to do and how much it should cost (generally because they have watched a few episodes of a tattoo “reality” show.) In the 1 hour I spend trying to convince them that their ideas are not going to work, it is going to take longer than they “think,” and that it is going to cost more than they “want to pay,” I could be actually tattooing a customer that is not delusional and actually be getting paid.
          The best part, is that the understanding and pleasant customers are usually the ones that I knock a few bucks off at the end for anyway. The squeaky wheel doesn’t always get the grease; sometimes it gets the boot 🙂

        • “The squeaky wheel doesn’t always get the grease; sometimes it gets the boot :)”

          Oh I am sooooo stealing that one!

        • I caused myself lots of grief when I was young trying to please every customer. When I learned to be selective and ‘fire customers’ things smoothed out and now my customer base is like a loyal family. The bad actors don’t need their bad behavior rewarded or enabled. Really like what y’all have said here.

  13. carry gun
    have the kimber glock sig all in 45, but what i carry is a derringer in 45. fits in pocket if pants, fbi stats. gun fights take place at 7 ft or less at night 3 rds fired buy booth sides.
    same fbi one stop drops, 45 first 22 next 9 mm and all others next.
    think the guy who put the report together was on this show. can be found on net if you look a little. dont get me wrong i am not saying carrying a 22 is best. have a couple,
    but you can hide the derringer with shorts belly band and t shirt,
    one shot stop 45 is 88 percent 380 is around 30, its math, all so the derringer can work as brass knuckles.
    this is mvho i am no way looking for a fight.
    all the stats can be found on fbi page
    sorry if i piss any body off
    james denell

  14. Funny story about Jerusalem Artichokes, before I decided to grow them, I wanted to see if my kids would eat them. So I ordered some and diced them up like cubed potatoes and roasted them in the oven with garlic and spices. I served them to the kids and called them “Suntaters”. They loved them and helped me plant more so we could eat more Suntaters! They can’t wait for the harvest this fall. If the kids like them I always plant double. This is truly a overlooked easy to grow food source.

    • Says not available for prime.

      I tell you what, it has been one hell of a battle to get GOOD thai peppers around here. We finally found this place in New Orleans that is a mega asian grocery store (The real deal kind) and they have them. Thai peppers are 100% the absolute best hot peppers out there for eating. Very long sizzle hot that is edible.

      We make Pad Kra Prow with them all the time (takes no time, dirt cheap, and amazing tasting).

      • Well they are not on Prime any more but they still are shipped free. I don’t get how these guys do this, the damn things come with a customs label. I always order at least two packs because I feel guilty about getting free shipping from fricken Thailand on a 4 dollar item.

  15. Thanks Jack. I was not expecting that quick of a response on a Sunday. Gotta put an order in for these to try. Go Amazon Prime.

  16. Regarding an individual citizen’s limited right to the public roads…

    Logically speaking, if my right to use the public road is absolute, I should be able to block the road and charge a fee for passing along my road. In fact this was how roads worked in the Middle Ages. It was a royal pain in the neck for anything but local commerce, mostly because any long distance commerce became extremely expensive, unpredictable (in terms of fees to be paid and the quality of the road) and dangerous because even if you paid the fee, you could be robbed by the very guy who was collecting the fee.

    BTW, if you ever wondered why people would respect Genghis Khan after he murdered millions, but fear Tamerlane, it was the return value of secure roads. Genghis Khan and Kublai Khan understood the importance of the predictable flow of commerce and reasonable quality roads. (They also ran one of the first postal systems if not the very first.) Tamerlane only understood fear. He did not understand nor did he care about commerce.

    In England the public roads were known as “The King’s Highway” and defined in the common law for public passage (not necessarily public ownership) and if the King’s Highway corresponded with a private road, the owner of the private road must let the public pass BUT THE PRIVATE OWNER COULD SET REASONABLE CONDITIONS FOR PASSAGE, such as the type of passage (horse or foot traffic).

    In America, public roads in the early 20th century could be blocked…. such as by cattle gates (actual gates that a motorist had to open and close). Cattle grates in the road were not invented until 1915 and not implemented until much later. Route 66 was as much an adventure as it was a pleasure. It followed old Indian trails and the railroad tracks which had an existing right-of-way. In some places it was little more than dirt ruts. A colonel Eisenhower was tasked with logistics (moving military stuff) across the US continent. He found it so burdensome he conceived of a highway system that allowed the easy flow of goods across the country on good roads and he implemented that plan when he became President… the Federal Highway system.

    So… since American law is based on English common law (for the most part) that allows for public roads and some local restrictions within reason and since most people can see the value of the easy flow of goods from place to place, we tolerate the imposition.

    One more thing: the song “This Land is Your Land” by Woody Guthrie, is an inspiring song until one looks at the original verses….

    Was a high wall there that tried to stop me /
    A sign was painted said: Private Property, /
    But on the back side it didn’t say nothing —
    [This land is your land, this land is my land…]

    While Woody Guthrie valued the right of free travel he did not respect private property and saw it as a violation of his right to travel.


    • Thanks for taking the time to write this. From historical examples it is clear that the roads should be controlled by government for efficiency’s sake, to insure road quality, and to help insure thieves don’t block the road and ask for “tolls”. I don’t see any reason why government can’t manage the roads in an ethical manner unless the public insists on tyranny like they do now.

    • One can never get away from government tyranny over the roads. One can only keep it to a minimum.

      I was driving home from Fredericksburg, Texas (hometown of Admiral Nimitz) to Austin and was stopped in Johnson City (hometown of President Lyndon B. Johnson) by the police. They have a little speed trap set up there. I explained to the police officers (politely) that my family was asleep after a busy day and I saw their speed limit sign. If they wanted me to slow down to a certain speed by the time I reached the bridge they should have set the sign back-a-ways. I then explained (because I’m not an idiot) that we had visited their new Lyndon B. Johnson Museum on the way out to Fredericksburg and had lunch in Johnson City (AND SPENT MONEY THERE which was true but I had to make sure he understood that… know what I mean?) I was let off with a warning.

      You aren’t going to get rid of that sort of thing, but keeping it to a minimum is crucial.

  17. It’s funny you were talking about Paul not wanting to shake a tree, when i was a kid we had 100 year old pear tree and for 2 years it didn’t bare fruit…my Grandmother went out the next spring with a 2X4 and hit it a few times LOL…it had a bumper crop that year and all the years after…weird thing though when she died..the next year that tree died

  18. I just wanted to say one thing about the .22 cal….The 22LR kills more people in the USA than any other gun, Chad on one of my favorite YT channels wear a Tee-shirt that says a .22 will kill the crap out of you. that being said I wouldn’t use one for self defense either but to say if you got shot by one you wouldn’t notice it is just non-sense

  19. Regarding Interviews – I like them but I do think many of them go too long. Maybe you could still do two if you can get it down to 30-40 minutes by making it more targeted or focused (think the one page memo you mentioned). Then you could put two together into one show or have 30 minutes of Jack and 30 minutes of interview for one show.

    Just my $.04 worth (adjusted for inflation 🙂

  20. I have friends who grow thai chili at home (container)… they say it produces so much they are constantly looking for people to pawn it off to (showing up at friends houses and “Hey, here’s some peppers for you… please, take them”).

  21. Fryer

    I own this deep fryer. I bought it for probably 12-15 bucks at Walmart something like 4 years ago. I swear by this thing. Buffalo wings, french frys, fish, etc. Dead cheap and perfect size for 2.

  22. Hey all, I’m sorry I didn’t get this question out the day of the episode.

    Can anyone give me some idea what cattle prices are? For example, Darby mentioned you could buy a 1.5 year old calf, raise it for a certain amount of time, and sell it at a nice profit. Does anyone have any very rough idea what a calf of that age would cost, how many months or years do you raise them, and what sort of price would it sell for?

    For example, if a 1.5 year old calf costs $500, you raise it for two years, and sell it for $1500 – that doesn’t seem useful. But if it is $250 for a calf, you raise it for two years, and sell it for $5,000 – now we are talking some money that makes sense.

    • It depends on where you live and how many cattle ranchers are in your area and it also depends on the breed you want and how the weather is in your area, yes weather makes a huge difference in years of drought you can pick up calves super cheap at your local county auction…look around and find the local auction in your area and go check it out..if nothing else go to meet some contacts and you might be very surprised after meeting some of the sellers or even buyers there you might be able to pick one up on the cheap…keep in mind at the auction cattle are usually sold by the pound…so the smaller calf you get the cheaper it will be in most cases unless you’re buying a high dollar breed

      • Thanks for the reply! I am on a suburban lot, and am in Michigan, so I’m not sure our winters are even compatible with raising cattle. Darby’s comment just made me think this, plus other agriculture ventures, could be a means of financing a 10ish acre land purchase and slowly start building a house out there.

        Do you, or anyone else, happen to know of any good websites or forums to read about raising cattle? Until hearing Darby’s call, I knew nothing about raising cattle. So I would be interested in reading anything I could about it!

        • EricM,

          I’m in S.E. MI and I’m considering the same thing. I have 10 acres and I’m considering trying a couple of Dexter cattle as they are smaller and are supposed to be able to forage well in the winter. However I don’t have enough of my land converted form woods with bushy undergrowth to trees with pasture. Maybe next year.

  23. Hereford cattle can make it just about any weather, they raise em in Montana so if they can handle the winters there I’m sure they handle it anywhere else in the lower 48…try googling 4H in your area the 4H should be able to point you to forums on raising cattle

  24. Loved your comments about equivalency demetia. And I love that term. I’ve got a friend who seems to think it is SO tough to be a stay at home Mom. I am single, in my 30’s, no kids. I would like kids, but I honestly cannot purposely put a kid in a situation where their only parent is gone 10 hours a day. I’d damn well thank my lucky stars to have a couple of kids and be able to be home with them all day. I know it wouldn’t always be easy, but whatever – the rewards are pretty amazing, or why are people always having kids??