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Today Hans Hageman joins us to discuss the growing crisis facing boys and young men, why “resilience” by itself is no longer enough, and what it really means to become anti-fragile. This is a conversation about what happens when young men grow up without purpose, structure, challenge, or direction, and why so many of the systems that claim to help them are actually failing them. Hans has spent his life working with boys and men in some of the hardest environments imaginable, from East Harlem to maximum security prisons, and he argues that what young men need is not protection from hardship but the tools to grow stronger because of it.

Hans grew up in a world most people can’t even imagine. His parents founded Exodus House in East Harlem back in 1963, a residential drug treatment center where men rebuilding their lives from addiction, prison, and war lived side by side. Every day Hans would leave that environment and head across Manhattan to attend the elite Collegiate School for Boys alongside kids like John F. Kennedy Jr. That experience of constantly crossing between two completely different worlds shaped the rest of his life and gave him an early understanding of human struggle, survival, and what actually helps people rebuild themselves.

He eventually went on to Princeton and Columbia Law, became a narcotics prosecutor in Manhattan, and later served as Minority Chief Counsel for the U.S. Senate Constitution Subcommittee. By every conventional standard he had made it. But after years of seeing broken people arrive at the end stage of broken systems, he decided he needed to move upstream and work earlier in the process. In 1993 he co founded the East Harlem School at Exodus House with just $50,000 and 13 students. Since then he has worked with at risk youth across the country and internationally, taught gardening and breathwork to incarcerated teenage boys, and created the first New York State approved breathwork certification program for incarcerated youth.

Today we dig into the difference between resilience and anti fragility, what Hans learned working directly with violent juvenile offenders, why so many boys are desperate for challenge and meaning, and what fathers, coaches, teachers, and mentors are still getting wrong. We also discuss his new book, The Anti Fragile Boy, the role discipline and controlled hardship play in healthy male development, and what it means to become “an ancestor worth remembering.” This one goes deep into masculinity, purpose, suffering, growth, and the kind of strength that can only be built through adversity.

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