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Davido Davido
Davido Davido
2 years ago

Thank you for the Podcast Jack. Particularly helpful for me was the information about Start9 and the Embassy OS.

You are correct that the danger of centralizaiton in Bitcoin mining is not from hash rate centralizing into mining pools. It is instead the centralization of mining hash rate under corporate control. Corporations are creations of the government, thus regulators have good reason to believe that mining corporations will comply with govt edicts.

When a coalition of Western governments have jurisdiction over a sufficient number of Bitcoin corporations to regulate a clear majority of the BTC hash rate, the regulating govts will be on a path to control of the entire blockchain -all transactions globally.

Gaining complete control of the Bitcoin blockchain will be a stepped process designed to pressure an ever-increasing % of transactions onto centralized exchanges. Eventually, regulators will simply overwrite any blocks containing transactions originating outside of govt controlled exchanges. Govts will then use the exchanges to ID users, censor transactions, tax profits and seize Bitcoin. This process can be expected to start during or shortly after the next bear market. In about 4 years.

The percentage of mining rigs currently owned by corporations is large and growing. Worse it is a recognized bitcoin principle that “pooling pressures” have a centralizing effect on mining. https://github.com/libbitcoin/libbitcoin-system/wiki/Pooling-Pressure-Risk

Bottomline -The centralization of Bitcoin mining hash rate under corporate ownership is a long known risk that few in the Bitcoin community are willing to address.

Davido Davido
Davido Davido
2 years ago
Reply to  Jack Spirko

Jack, Perhaps you are reading too fast. My reply, and the problem Bitcoin faces, are not because hash rate is pooled. The problem is corporations within the jurisdiction of Western Govts OWNING, not pooling but OWNING, the majority of the hash rate. Corporate ownership of the majority of the mining hash rate is a well recognized problem because Corporations must comply with regulations directing them to only confirm transactions from govt approved exchanges. This too is a simple concept.

Davido Davido
Davido Davido
2 years ago
Reply to  Davido Davido

Thank you Jack, at least some confusion is cleared up.

In late 2022 approximately 1/6 of the global hash rate was owned by the 15 largest publicly listed Bitcoin mining corporations. 62% of their hash power was derived from ASICs they owned. The largest major public corporations do own most of the ASICs they mine with.

But the real issue is the % of the ASICs that are within their corporate facilities. When coordinated regulations are applied to Western Bitcoin mining facilities the owner of the ASIC will have only the choice of paying to shut down and remove their ASICs or putting up with the regulations. Redirecting one’s hash rate to a foreign pool won’t cure the fact that it must comply with the regulations applicable to the jurisdiction the ASIC is operating in.

Since, no Bitcoin mining company has sufficient staff to physically remove and ship a significant % of the ASICs used by their facility, anyone who seeks return of their equipment can expect extraordinarily slow service.

Increasing corporate control of Bitcoin hash power is a real problem. Best estimates indicate that approximately 37% of the global hash rate is now directed by public and private corporations. This is still a minority of the global hash rate and only about 64% of the corporate hash rate is in the West. But both the % of the global hash rate in the West, and the % directed by Corporations is growing quickly. Centralization of the Bitcon hash rate is expected because of the known pressures on mining described by the Libbitcoin authors. They call it Pooling Pressure Risk -but the pressures they describe are really centralizing pressures. Pooling pressure a misnomer that should not be confused with mining pools

Govt control of Bitcoin will be a stepped process. The focus of govt efforts will be first on limiting use of cryptos, then on forcing them to move through centralized exchanges, then on criminalizing “unauthorized” DEX and Peer to Peer transactions. Regulating Bitcoin mining will be the last step taken by govts. It will be effective because coordinated regulation will govern the majority of the hash rate, which will drive many bitcoiners to use alternative coins, and to split Bitcoin into multiple less secure forks.

Appreciate your work and your comments. Thank you.

Davido Davido
Davido Davido
2 years ago
Reply to  Davido Davido

Follow up for your interest.

This month Carole House, former director of cybersecurity for the White House National Security Council,spoke at Princeton.

She wants more of the Bitcoin Hash Rate in the U.S. so that they can force miners to censor the network on the base layer. She also views international cooperation as a necessary component for successful censorship. It’s not just about telling miners not to mine certain transactions, but to not even build atop blocks that have non-compliant transactions, so that those transactions don’t get anywhere in the chain. A 51% attack, in other words.

https://snort.social/e/nevent1qqs8g0nctrs6yajahjvxkudttwpsvqaj3sj92en8waww5gjyx28fm9qu66d6s

https://www.imf.org/en/Blogs/Articles/2021/12/09/blog120921-global-crypto-regulation-should-be-comprehensive-consistent-coordinated

Expect the mainchain of the Bitcoin network to be regulated by the end of the decade. There will be black market forks. Bitcoin was designed to be permissionless (black market).

https://github.com/libbitcoin/libbitcoin-system/wiki/Permissionless-Principle

But hodlrs on the mainchain will be Taxed, ID’d & Controlled.

Mike Getting
Mike Getting
2 years ago

Jack, now that Bitcoin and the crypto exchanges are no longer anonymous and thus taxed, hasn’t the use of crypto currency lost it’s advantages?

Mike Getting
Mike Getting
2 years ago
Reply to  Jack Spirko

Jack,
You may be at fault by playing ONLY your one hit over and over again and it may be time to refer off to someone with a fresh perspective.

I was looking for 3 good justifications that a 62 year old man could understand to make the leap into bitcoin besides the hype “make gobs of money”. I can get that kind of hype from a financial liar.

Mike Getting
Mike Getting
2 years ago

Jack,
I’ve thrown away money on worse advice, so look down on me no more. This old man is going to start a coinbase account and buy some bitcoin to move it.

Ethan L.
Ethan L.
2 years ago
Reply to  Mike Getting

Mike,
A little suggestion. Don’t be afraid to take some profit back into dollars if it goes up during another bull run. I’ve been into crypto for 2 years now, and I’ve seen my portfolio go from low 4 digits to as high as nearly 40k… but I never took profit and watched all my gains go away.

So just like buying stocks or bonds, set some number goals for yourself. Try and buy during lows and don’t be afraid to sell into rallies. Let the dumb money buy what you were brave enough to buy when there red candles everywhere. Godspeed and good luck!

P.S. And take Jack’s advice and once you get some BTC/crypto, be sure and get into a cold or hot wallet… don’t keep it on exchanges.

Mike Getting
Mike Getting
2 years ago
Reply to  Ethan L.

Ethan,
thanks for the advice.
Which wallet are you using?

Ethan L.
Ethan L.
2 years ago
Reply to  Mike Getting

Exodus. Jack and others recommended it and it’s fairly simple to use. Just remember to make a couple of copies of your key phrases.

Surfivor
Surfivor
2 years ago

I do feel like bitcoin is a very significant technology and thanks for pointing out the strengths of a hardware wallet. I did get one of those

One question I have is something like: suppose that the CIA launched 5000 rogue bitcoin nodes at some point in the future. What kind of chaos and mayhem could that produce and what could the bitcoin community do to counter such a threat or what is the threat? I am just curious. I could have also asked is there such a thing as a rogue node, I did see that there has been something like that as I did a google search but have not really looked into it but things like that might be what a conspiracy theorist thinks about