Episode-2517- Dr. Ken Berry on Ketogenic Living — 12 Comments

  1. I have RA – the main guy I follow who has helped thousands with RA cuts out red meat, dairy, oils, sugar and gluten. He says oils (even ‘good’ oils like olive) are probably the worst thing for it, but especially the oxidised and reused stuff like in a fish and chip shop or restaurant.
    It is hard to ascertain who to listen to when opinions are so conflicting sometimes, ie. the comment about oats – I’ve heard that oats are one of the good foods for RA also. I have just cooked with water and add frozen raspberries and blueberries… there goes that breakkie lol!
    Orange freshly juiced is supposed to be good also. But logically fruit should be good as it is all natural. If only it were all straightforward.
    Michaela Peterson eats only meat, as she has specific illness, but it does seem hard to fathom that would be good for you! Apparantly it is, shame butcher box isn’t in Australia!


  2. I suffered with extremely severe Polymyalgia Rheumatica which is why I started Keto and am now 98% carnivore and cannot tell you what a difference it’s made for me. Our meat in Oz is mostly not grain fed unless you specifically ask for it. We are lucky enough to live in Tasmania and get excellent quality meat at great prices ?

  3. Sorry I have to be the one to break it to you, but your going to have to start reading the science they are quoting. There is science behind the diet, but it has to be good, logical studies. RCT’s (randomized clinical trials) are the gold standard; trials of sufficient length (because the human body adapts over time 8-12 weeks for major changes in most humans) because you know that the first time you tried to climb the local hill/mountain you were winded, but after 2-3 months of doing it every weekend you got stronger and better adapted; and crossover studies which do the trial twice by switching the trial and control group after a pause between.

    I personally found that apparently my genetics (and epigenetics) causes me to have sensitivities to things that others do not and vice versa, pretty common actually. There are plant types that set off my arthritis joint pain & inflammation and stiffness, which I need to avoid in quantity. It is possible that I could slowly reintroduce these things in my diet, possibly cooked differently, and time will tell whether I do that.

    My Eskimo friend understands living in a land of no plants to eat, and says “waste nothing”; which means they eat things like organ meats (to get vitamins & minerals) that current folks consider to be “gross” [The dogs get the entrails, but well washed they make sausage casing]. So the ultimate inflammatory elimination of carnivore has been proven to work over generations, but to realize this you are probably going to have to read some science, anthropology, such as Stefannson on the eskimos.

    This all speaks to developing new “skills” and/or learning who you can trust to “hold the rope, while I rappel down the cliff to retrieve something”…

    • Long comment but opens with “Sorry I have to be the one to break it to you, but your going to have to start reading the science they are quoting.”

      Then fails to make any point at all in conjunction with said opening. Who are you breaking what to? I defy you to read your comment as a third party and explain how anyone would understand your point or who you are making it to.

  4. Perhaps that point was made to me.
    Kerrie, are you bringing your body to ketosis, or just eating meat?
    It is more likely I would do meat and plant – I still can’t get my head around not eating food that has come from the ground – fruit included, nuts, seeds.. and funny, up until now I didn’t think that was indoctrination, I thought it was against the western pyramid model with less white processed products- but moreso, it just makes plain common sense that what has been provided by God is for our bodies to be nourished by… I do get that some things have been adapted by man over time, ie.wheat.
    I would like to hear more about what you’ve done Kerrie if you wouldn’t mind me contacting you?

    • Let me just say very little of the fruit you eat today was “provided by God” no matter your definition of God unless man is God.

      I grew up foraging the woods of eatern PA, if it was edible I knew about it, where to find it and when to get it. The sugar available doing so was minuscule across the annum. It was limited to

      Wild Blue Berries – About 4 weeks and even with picking parties a family was grateful to get 2 gallons in a full season.

      Blackberries – The absolute biggest source, you could easily put up 5 gallons in a season but again this is across 12 months.

      Wild Strawberries – Low in sugar but tasted sweet, these were a short term delicacy that you ate when you could get them.

      Tea Berry – The fruit of the wintergreen plant. Eaten in winter when hunting grouse, if you found 20 while trekking 10 miles in the cold mountains it was a nice treat.

      Native Persimmon is perhaps the only native tree with a high yield of carbs native to North America. Though we didn’t have many around us.

      Other sources of seasonal carbs were leeks (quite a bit of sugar but VERY short season) and Fiddle Heads (not much about the same as Asparagus which is also a fern).

      Even where apples, pears, plumbs, etc. were native (we do have some native NA Plumbs) the native ones were small and the season short. Before modern techniques preservation was limited.

      Olives and Figs in native form as food along with Dates are as old as civilization and likely older but confined to a very narrow band of climate.

      What “God” gave humans to eat as natural food is moslty meat, fat, organs, and foraged herbaceous plants along with limited tubers.

  5. I am blessed with a very good Osteopathic doctor whose father is a chiropractor.  He was going to become a chiro and was in his 2nd year at Palmer but got deployed to Iraq with 24 hrs to report.  While there, he learned about osteopathic medicine and changed gears.  This wonderful doctor put me on low carb two years ago.   I go in every six months for a check up.  After a year of surgery (umbilical hernia, R shoulder in April, L knee in Aug), I have gained weight.  A doctor who is a personal friend told me to try intermittent fasting combined with low carb.  What a beautiful combination!  I’m back on a good, healthy weight loss and am at long last back at the gym.  I know my weight will fluctuate as I regain muscle.   It will all level out in time.  Thanks for a very good episode on this subject.

  6. I can understand that our fruit has been hybridised and altered by man, but man didn’t create any seeds from scratch… did he?


    • That literally makes NO SENSE in the question of biology and the natural diet of humans for 300,000 plus years.

  7. You’ll have to excuse my ignorance… whether it is 2 billion years or 300 000 or 6000, man can’t create seeds – he can only alter them.


  8. Paleantology hasn’t left us with a lot of clues, most of the men purported to be ancient have since been exposed as fraudulent, or not deliberately, untrue, which leaves a lot to speculation… the question of biology is still open – but whether seeds have evolved over time, or adapted, they still had to originate somehow.

    • When people reach the point of avoiding the truth because they don’t like it I stop trying to help them.