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What Exactly is a Permaculture Design Certification and What Isn’t

I have been working with Permaculture, implementing designs and teaching it to others for about 5 years now.  5 years ago like many new to the concept I thought Permaculture was simply planting trees and bushes vs. annual crops, boy was I wrong.

I am an information sponge when a new topic of interest comes up.  When I realized permaculture wasn’t just a word but an entire design science I went into overdrive.  Someone sent me Geoff Lawton’s “Greening the Desert” and my mind opened to things I had never even considered before.  After that, I soon discovered 3 great resources that stemmed from Bill Mollison they were…

I watched the videos and read the PDF at a speed I am sure Bill has never spoken at.  I read it again, watched it again, etc.  I bought copies of Permaculture One, Permaculture Two, The Permaculture Design Manual and any other videos and/or books that seemed worth having.  As is typical I first became an expert in the intellectual sense on the concept and then began practical application along side of that effort.

In those 5 years I became a recognized name in the discipline.  I have guest lectured at PDCs, I have presented at major events, taken part in great workshops as a student.  Along the way I also took a PDC for which I got a certificate.  The course was online as it was the only way I could get it done.  Today I consider that certification worthless.  Don’t get me wrong, the course taught me a lot, I learned a lot, but it was NOT a Permaculture Design Certification course in my view now.

Like I said I have pretty much invested in every single resource that is available in the Permaculture space.  So when Geoff Lawton and Bill Mollison released an entire PDC on DVD I bought it, in spite of a HUGE shipping cost from Australia.  I sat down, put in the first DVD and even took notes (not something I am known for) and in the first 8 hours I learned the following…

  • More about design science then I had from all the other material I had reviewed
  • 5 times what I had in my entire online PDC course at least
  • What Permaculture really is, “ethical design science and art coming together”
  • That many so called PDC Courses in the US are simply not qualified to be called a true PDC

I know this will upset some people, but it is simply true.  A design course should prepare you to go design systems from small to large in any climate on the planet.  A person that completed such a course should be able to look at the shape of land forms and know the climate they are in from that alone.  They should understand earth works, swales, sills, guilds and more.  Sadly many don’t.

Of course Geoff Lawton has now released an online PDC but not everyone will be able to take it.  For some the cost is too high, for others the timing isn’t right and they will only take so many students to make sure that the quality of education is sufficient.  Not to mention someone has to review the final published projects of each student seeking certification.

Additionally for Permaculture to keep growing we need it to be profitable and there are many outstanding teachers out there.  Two that spring to mind are Ben Falk who is actually moving more to doing specific hands on workshops vs. PDCs which I find very cool, I think there is a huge demand for this.  The other that jumps to mind is Bill Wilson of Midwest Permaculture.  I know for a fact Bill’s curriculum was based on direct guidance from the Permaculture Research Institute of Australia.

There are a few facts about the term Permaculture and the history of the movement.  The first is the word was coined by Bill Mollison who co wrote Permaculture One with David Holmgren.   After that is was Bill who developed the PDC curriculum and began teaching and evolving it.  This went on pretty much for about 20 years and along Bill’s side for almost all of that time was Geoff Lawton.  Together these two men made Permaculture into a global concept, they created the brand, taught thousands of students and evolved the concept based on science and ethics.

To me if you are going to say you are a “Certified Permaculture Designer” it certainly isn’t necessary to be taught by one of these two men, though it is great to do so if you can.  What you should do though is go though the material and concepts that actually were created by the industries founder, Bill Mollison.  Again this is based on the science of design, the prime directive and three core ethics.  There are two problems with many courses that claim to be PDCs in my view.  One is what they don’t include and the other is what they do include, both are major hurtles holding Permaculture back in my view.

Problems With What Isn’t Included

This one is pretty easy, here are some questions I would ask any company or individual who wanted to sell me a PDC course, if they can answer them all sufficiently, I think you are good to go.

  1. Can you tell me what a sill is and how it functions?
  2. Can you explain the basic difference between sector and zone analysis?
  3. Will your course teach me about landscape profiles?
  4. Will your course teach me to design systems in any climate or landscape?
  5. What makes your PDC valid, did you receive guidance from the PRI of Australia flat out would Bill Mollison consider a certificate from your course valid?

Bluntly, before I would spend my money on a Permaculture Design Course I would want a satisfactory answer to all those questions, with one consideration.  That consideration is a question to myself, “does certification matter to me, is that something I really want as a credential?”.

Many of these courses are actually exceptional, you learn incredible things, lots about design and they can help you a great deal in many ways.  However, if they are not based on the core curriculum of Permaculture’s founder, they are not in my view a Design Certification.  I don’t think most of these schools are doing this for negative purposes, I just think they feel qualified to teach and are selling what they feel people want.  Such schools would do best to simply start offering workshops based on regional design, specific techniques, etc. rather then make their own version of a PDC .  Either that or seek guidance from the PRI to make sure the curriculum is complete.  Either would be fine in my book.

Problems With What Is Included

This is a bigger problem to me.  Most of the courses with this issue have the what isn’t included problem as well, but these are much worse when the missing info is back filled with an agenda.   Being a very nature based system Permaculture attracts what many would call modern day hippies and/or people into a lot of “airy fairy stuff”.  Generally a lot of politics get added in when you start down that path.  Before I continue I want to provide a quote from Permaculture’s founder, Bill Mollison it is…

“So it’s [permaculture] a revolution. But permaculture is anti-political. There is no room for politicians or administrators or priests. And there are no laws either. The only ethics we obey are: care of the earth, care of people, and reinvestment in those ends.”

I want to point out here that the above quote isn’t my view it is the view of Permaculture’s founder, the man whom we all must thank for the existence of the Permaculture movement as a whole.  You can read the interview that quote comes from here.

Here are some examples of things that I know have actually been stated in so called Permaculture Design Courses, none of which I feel have any place in a PDC

  • If you own a gun you are not a real permaculturist
  • If you don’t use your urine for fertilizer you are not a permaculturist
  • You must be off grid 100% or you are not a permaculturist
  • If you are a republican you are not a permaculturist
  • If you don’t believe in global warming based on CO2 you are not a permaculturist
  • If you use heavy equipment you are not a permaculturist
  • Every permaculture student should be a vegetarian
  • All surplus should be redistributed (a bastardization of the third ethic)
  • You can’t have an SUV and practice permaculture
  • Permaculture is all or nothing

That is just the start.  There are PDCs which require the students to camp out, they are not permitted to get a hotel at their own expense as it is considered wasteful on fuel.  Some have a lot of hippy like campfire time with bare feet, singing, chanting etc.  That I actually have no problem with as long as it is something additional for those that want to do it and not part of the curriculum and required.  In some instances it has been part of the core course.

In a PDC if you are discussing energy it should be the potential or kinetic energy of actual scientific forces of nature.  Not the “energy of the goddess spirit of Mother Earth”.  I again have no problem with people who have this spiritual view.  I have no problem with people that gain a Permaculture education and then practice it from this view.  That is fine, we all practice our professions in a specific angle based on our personal spiritually and world view.  It just isn’t something that belongs in the educational components of something that is supposed to be based on design science.  Frankly a PDC should not be used to indoctrinate others with any individual’s political or spiritual views.  It should be all about what works and how and why to do it.

Consider taking a course in architecture at a university.  Now if you talk to students in that course you will find some are Christian, some atheists, some die hard democrats and some die hard republicans and others might be politically agnostic.  The teacher too will have a specific geo political world view.  Some may come though in his teaching but basically he is going to teach his students to design a building.

Along with other training those students will then design buildings and much of who and what they are will go into said designs, heck deeply religious students might specialize in designing churches.  Yet the education will be about structure, engineering, foundations, etc.  In other words what works, what makes a building safe, useable, etc.  That teacher shouldn’t be teaching his students that “the mystical energy of Mother Earth can be channeled though the arches of the building”, such has little place in the world of academia in a architectural course.  If you want such things take a course on world religion or metaphysics.

The approach of injecting politics and spiritually into a PDC is extremely damaging to the movement.  The reality is taking a PDC takes time and money.  Many people with the money and willing to sacrifice the time are doing so because they have seen the results of permaculture and want to be better able to reproduce them.  Many also want to make permaculture part of a business in the realm of sustainable landscaping as part of an existing business.  Some want to go into full on consulting.  Some want to go into teaching workshops and courses of their own.

Such people want to know what works, how it works, why it works and how to do it.  They are generally not interested in dancing in mud, chanting mantras or being told they are evil for having their own political opinions.  In fact I have spoken to a lot of people that took PDCs who were very turned off of permaculture because they became convinced that this was the heart of what permaculture really is.  Geoff has confirmed that he has had the same experience in speaking with thousands of people around the world who have been though similar so called PDCs.

Conversely when a person has taken a true PDC based on the core curriculum of the movement’s founder the response is almost always positive.  They are on fire with a desire to implement solutions and frankly capable of doing it.  They become open to how awesome nature’s systems are, they start designing highway medians in their head during rush hour and begin to see every problem as a solution.

These concepts are universal.  Once explained no republican with an open mind has ever objected to the concepts of care of the earth, care of people and return of surplus nor has any democrat, libertarian, etc. whom I have explained them to.  I have never shown the results of a well executed permaculture project to anyone that didn’t think it was an amazing thing.  Almost every human on the planet I show the results side of things to wants at least a little piece of it in their lives.

Permaculture could be the most popular movement on our planet if some us can get out of our own way.  I am not saying you should change your political view or your spiritual view if you are in this camp, just that you should let others be free to have their own views on this stuff.  I am also stating that we should not drag divisional baggage into a universally appealing movement.

Some people feel no one should own a SUV and all homes should have solar panels.  Well, great, get a compact car or a horse for all I care, shut off the grid and put up your panels.  Don’t however attack the guy with a FJ Cruiser, a big AC System on his house who also happens to spend a lot of money and time to transform his entire property into a urban food forest.  His efforts are just as valuable as many who are far more “green” in the totality of their lives.

Frankly his contribution might be better.  Should his backyard become an example to many other upper middle class in his neighborhood and they emulate him.  Sure they may drive gas guzzlers and watch 70 inch TVs but hell isn’t that their choice to make?  Are we not all better off to have 10,000 such people plant their grass lawns to beneficial plantings?  Isn’t it better that 10,000 such families develop 10,000 distributed local food systems even if they continue to do other things you personally consider wasteful.

Simply put once you start down the permaculture path your life becomes more sustainable and your ecological foot print becomes softer.  Each of us chooses exactly how far we walk such a path.  Some will live in an off grid earthship, grow 70% of our own food and buy the other 30% from only local sources.  Others will live a 100% modern style life but transform our landscapes into something productive, beautiful and sustainable.  Most of us are like myself, we are somewhere in the middle.  We reduce our waste, do as much as we can to be self sufficient and sustainable and slowly implement as much design as we can afford into our lives.

There is a place for all such people in Permaculture.  Frankly the die hards among us need a lot of the people on the “permaculture edge” if we want to build a life and an income based on permaculture principles.  Rather then putting down the upper middle class guy with a large SUV living in the suburbs, qualified designers should be selling that guy a design.   If he wants solar panels great, but if he just wants an edible landscape design then design it for him, implement it and bill him for it.  I mean I drive a truck, it was expensive but I don’t know how to build one nor do I want a job doing so.  I don’t really care how to build a truck.  I am also not about to study automotive engineering before I buy a vehicle.  I have a house, I bought it, I don’t want to become a carpenter.

We as designers should be selling design to anyone that will buy it and implement it.  If they want an end to end system fine, but if they only want 30% that is fine too.  Just get them on the path and don’t be afraid to make a profit along the way.  This all starts with good design and good design comes from fully qualified designers.

Don’t take this the wrong way.  Let’s say you have a teacher in your area that has studied permaculture deeply.  Say this person never took a real PDC but developed a course specific to your region.  That course might be amazing and might be worth spending time and money on.  Honestly for some it might do more for them then a PDC, I really mean that.  But a Design Course meant to teach global principles of design and a regional course on specific techniques are two different things.

Likewise if you want to do a two week Permaculture event, dance around the fire, pray to the Earth Spirit, take mud baths, burn incense, discuss politics from your view or what have you knock yourself out.  When I say we have room for everyone, I mean it.  Just call it what it is, a Spiritual Retreat with a Permaculture Component.  Tell people where you are coming from and what to expect and enjoy the hell out of yourself but don’t claim that it is a PDC because it isn’t.

In the end people make their own choices about their own businesses and the market will judge based on results.  This article isn’t to be a seminal work on what makes one qualified to teach a PDC or not.  I just want to make people on all sides of this issue think a bit deeper about it.  Additionally I wanted to provide my audience with my view on how to select a permaculture course or teacher.  Again many courses are really wonderful, saying something isn’t a PDC isn’t a put down, it is just a fact based on the core realities and components of permacutlure design as founded by Bill Mollison.

Episode-1041- Mark Hamilton on Homesteading and Running a Micro Business

Mark, His Wife Anna and Faithful Companion Lucy.

Mark, His Wife Anna and Faithful Companion Lucy.

Mark Hamilton was born in Ohio and did a 6 year stint in US Navy.  From there he moved on to copier repair doing that for over a decade.  He also went to for photography and video work and for a time wedding videography and miscellaneous  construction jobs and worked as a  substitute teacher  Today he feels he has found his true passion as a full time homesteader and micro business operator.

Mark joins us today to discuss modern day homesteading along with how he and his wife are making supplemental income from a chicken waterer micro business.  We also discuss chicken pastures, deer deterrents, high density fruit orcharding, mini root cellars and a varitety of his projects.  Along with how people can get started with a modern homestead, a micro business or both and the role the web and blogging can play in doing that.

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Episode-1028- Technologies, Products and Ideas for a Transitional Society

For Acorns to be a Food, First a Market Must be Created

For Acorns to be a Food, First a Market Must be Created

There are a lot of things wrong with modern business, finance, agriculture and manufacturing.  Many of us understand the current system is far from sustainable but we also know for now it is all we have.  Today I will discuss some business and product ideas that are just bouncing around in my head.

Some of these are honestly very easy to do, others may require a lot more work then I imagine but most of them do have a potential to change things for the better long term.

Like most ideas though, they are pretty much worthless unless someone make them happen.  Some of what you will hear today isn’t new at all, in fact some if it is how we can take old ideas and actually make them work.

Join Us Today As We Discuss…

  • First you have to understand how a market is “created”
  • Second you must understand human nature is to be lazy
  • Third you must understand that people naturally resist change
  • Ideas for Transitional Products and Businesses
    • Stop taking about acorns and make them edible in mass quantity
    • Develop small scale affordable hullers and presses
    • Make methane biogas but do so for others on their own sites
    • Develop a pond based back yard aquaponics system
    • Cheap modular (snap together) aquaponics systems
    • Building electric motorcycles
    • Building battery back up systems

Resources for today’s show…

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Episode-1009- Permaculture Lessons and Observations from 2012

Today I want to take a look back at much of what we have learned in regard to permaculture over the mostly now passed year.  In 2012 I attended two major permaculture events, planted over 35 trees, experienced my first full season with hugulkultur beds and more.

I also received huge numbers of questions by email about permaculture that have taught me that many good permaculturists are often lousy at explaining big picture reality, myself included.  To examine that we will discuss the most common question about large scale permaculture I get today.

Join me today as we discuss…

  • What is Permaculture for those new to the concept
  • Why I think we should call most US hugulkultur simply “woody beds”
  • Why I think woody beds work so well and it ain’t what everyone says
  • What we need to start teaching the permaculture youth crowd, reality
  • Why Permaculture courses need the addition of “hard skills”
  • The missed opportunity in small scale urban design
  • Where grain fields fit into the equation
  • How can you practice permaculture/polyculture on a large scale
  • The future of permaculture at the individual level
  • The future of permaculture at the commercial level
  • Why a full working acre may be optimum for small family concerns
  • The animals I see as the “best bets” for working families

Resources for Today’s Show…

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Episode-964- Ben Falk of Whole Systems Design

Ben Falk of WholeSystemsDesign.com

Ben Falk of WholeSystemsDesign.com

Ben Falk developed Whole Systems Design, as a land-based response to biological and cultural extinction and the increasing separation between people and elemental things. Life as a designer, builder, ecologist, tree-tender, and back country traveler continually informs Ben’s integrative approach to developing landscapes and buildings.

His home landscape and the WSD studio site in Vermont’s Mad River Valley serve as a proving ground for the innovative land developments featured in the projects of Whole Systems Design. Ben has studied architecture and landscape architecture at the graduate level and holds a master’s degree in land-use planning and design.

He has taught design courses at the University of Vermont and Harvard’s Arnold Arboretum as well as on permaculture design, microclimate design, and design for climate change. He serves on the Board of Directors and Faculty at the Yestermorrow Design-Build School. Ben joins us today to discuss developing a permaculture homestead and creating a permaculture design business.

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Episode-948- Matthew Ladd On Cloud Computing for Business and Lifestyle Redundency

Matthew Ladd of FleetingSurvival.com

Matthew Ladd of FleetingSurvival.com

Matthew Ladd is an experienced IT business consultant who provides high level IT audits, analyses and redesign of IT services to determine effective solutions for his clients.

Matthew hold the “Practitioner Level Certification” of Information Technology Infrastructure Library (ITIL), which provides best practices for delivering high quality IT service and management procedures.  He joins us today to discuss IT for small business and how to move your business and personal IT needs to the cloud to create redundancy and an access from anywhere capability.

We also discuss setting up technology early on to allow for growth of a small business.  Exactly what is “the cloud” and frankly why should a business owner or just an average Joe care?  How we can prepare our IT needs both personal and business to stand through a disaster.

We further discuss setting up a business environment that empowers employees with the ability to work from home.  How smart IT can reduce work load and improve efficiency.  Along with some awesome solutions you can start using today even if you don’t own and never plan to own a business.

 Resources for Today’s Show…

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Episode-910- Mike Canaday on Grazing Goats, Electric Fencing and Working Dogs

Properly Managed Goats Improve Soil

Properly Managed Goats Improve Soil

Mike Canaday has 30 years experience in ranching and training Border Collies and Guardian Dogs to work with and protect livestock.

Goat grazing is a cost effective, ecologically sound way to clear land and promote growth of native grasses and beneficial plants, particularly for large acreages and difficult terrain.

It has been proven to efficiently handle areas that are inaccessible or difficult to manage with mowers, areas where burns are inadvisable, and sensitive areas where the application of herbicides is not appropriate.

The crazy thing is even if you don’t own a lot of land you could still own a lot of goats.  With advances in portable electric fences, the goats ability to forage land unsuitable for cattle, the cost effectiveness over mowing or herbicides and their ability to improve soil, many people actually pay to have goats graze their lands.

Mike Joins Us Today To Discuss…

  • Getting started with sheep and goats
  • Why sheep and goats, why not cattle
  • How to properly use electric fencing for predator protection and paddock shifting
  • What to look for in an electric fence
  • How much power a fence needs to be effective and what can cause power loss
  • Using dogs for both working and protecting your live stock
  • How you get other people to pay you to put your goats on their land
  • Finding properties that will be usable for your herds
  • Why some people say “electric fencing doesn’t work” and why they are wrong
  • Scaling goat grazing up and down based on property size and needs
  • Keeping dogs fierce enough to protect a herd by still sociable when not “on duty”
  • Channeling instinct in a dog vs. relying on their “intelligence”
  • Dogs for homestead security

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Episode-818- Greg Yows of Revolution Rock and Roll

Find all of Greg's Music at RevolutionRockAndRoll.com

I am really excited to welcome Greg Yows to The Survival Podcast.  Greg is a great friend to both the show and me personally.  Together we wrote “The Revolution is You” our show theme.

When asked about himself Greg says,

“I am a simple songwriter. The hippies in the 60s had their “protest” bards in the form of Bob Dylan, The Byrds, Janice Joplin, John Lennon, Joan Baez…the list goes on. Now, I ain’t claimin’ to have their skill. But I have just as much passion for my cause. And that cause is making sure my kids enjoy freedom from the tyrannical, over-taxing, nanny-state governments that are currently plaguing our nation.

I hail from the piney-woods of East Texas where the fishing is amazing but the county was dry. So here I am in Austin, a computer programmer by day and musician at night…cranking out patriot songs between honey-dos, working on my preps, gardening, fishing and taking care of my two kids.”

Join Greg and I today was we discuss his music at Revolution Rock and Roll, some of the other things he is currently working on, the role of our military, life as a prepper and more.

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Episode-813- Growing for Market with Steve “The Greenhouse Guy”

Steve Kasarda, started, built, owned and sold 3 nurseries. Now he grows for market (show theme) and manufactures greenhouses. He is here today to discuss “growing for market” without spending thousands or perhaps even hundreds of dollars.

Steve's Green Houses Growing in The North West Winter

Join Us Today As We Discuss…

  • General green house growing
  • Soils ,plant starts, grow temps, supplemental heat
  • Getting started at the market with selling, display and pricing mix of product
  • How to treat a customer and keep them as a customer
  • The role a greenhouse or poly tunnel can play in making you money
  • How long it takes to become an established market grower
  • Getting plant starts on the cheap or free
  • Creating unique niches and selling the average stuff as wel
  • How to organize your displays for transport and protect your merchandise
  • Making gardening into a profit center

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Episode-799- Greenhouse Thoughts, Construction, Usage and Considerations

A Green House is More than a Season Extender

It is winter, it is cold, the hoe and spade have likely been cleaned, oiled and put into the shed.  Seed catalogs are coming in and dreaming of spring has likely begun even before the Christmas holiday is over.

Wake up, there is much to be done!  With a greenhouse, small, medium or large we can get plants started early, we can grow food even in the cold and with some modifications we can even beat old man winter and possibly grow what, “can’t be grown this time of year around these parts”.

I will even share some innovative exotic ideas with you that could be used to create a profitable niche business or just to do something others think “can’t be done”, which is always fun to do.

Join Me Today As I Discuss…

  • The real value of a greenhouse year round
  • Micro greenhouses
  • Cold frames
  • Mid sized greenhouses
  • Large greenhouses
  • House joined greenhouses
  • Using a “tarp zipper”
  • Creating heat traps
  • Building “self watering systems”
  • The use of “movable insulation”
  • Great stuff to grow
  • Starting plants
  • Shade cloth
  • Exotic options

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