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Episode-2624- Now is the Time to Grow Your Own Food — 28 Comments

  1. Perfect timing for a gardening program right here in Zone 5, just a little ahead of the season!

    Perilla comes in both dark red and green; very beautiful. It reseeds abundantly. Planting it with calendula, also a reseeder, makes a beautiful display.

    The solid-stemmed winter squashes are all Cucurbita moschata. They come in all sorts of sizes, colors, and degrees of sweetness: many choices.

    The genus name for New Zealand Spinach is Tetragonia, and it’s sometimes called that. It’s actually in the same family as figs and marigolds.

    Finally, if someone is calling around to different stores to find quercetin, it’s KWER-sit-in.

    Thank you!

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    chloroquine is synthetic form of quinine made from cinchona bark.

    Gin and tonic originated as a medicinal from quinine used by the British

    https://slate.com/technology/2013/08/gin-and-tonic-kept-the-british-empire-healthy-the-drinks-quinine-powder-was-vital-for-stopping-the-spread-of-malaria.html

    Winston Churchill once declared, “The gin and tonic has saved more Englishmen’s lives, and minds, than all the doctors in the Empire.”

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    Quinine was essential to US military in WWII which led to development of chloroqine

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinchona_Missions
    With the outbreak of World War II, a supply of quinine was essential for successful military operations. In 1942, the Japanese occupation of the Dutch East Indies cut off the supply of quinine to the allies.[1]
    Recognizing the need for a new source of quinine, a program was established by the United States Board of Economic Warfare[3] under the operation of the Defense Supplies Corporation (DSC). Professor William C. Steere was brought on as Assistant Director. The objective was to find supplies of cinchona bark in the Andes for military use. It had three goals: to control all sites with commercial cinchona for long term development; to develop plantations that could compete with established cinchona monopolies to ensure emergency provisions; and to train people in the producing countries to take over the industry at the end of US involvement. Six countries signed an agreement with the DSC; ColombiaPeruGuatemalaCosta RicaEcuador and Bolivia. Wild populations of cinchona were also to be exploited.[4] At its peak, as many as 30 American botanists were involved with the program
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    In 1944, quinine was successfully synthesized by American chemists Robert Burns Woodward and William von Eggers Doering. This, along with the recovery of Asian plantations and a healthy stockpile of antimalarial products in US control, led to the termination of the program. Overall, the US had imported approximately 40 million pounds of dry bark over the course of two years. The program ceased operations on November 30, 1945.

     

     

     

    • Be careful with entire line of thinking. You need about 3 liters of tonic a day to get a “dose” and it is not the same thing as the medication.

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        Jack,

        I had looked into how much quinine is in tonic water, so yes I know what you mean and there is a particular dosage and some bark also has more quinine than others. There is more than one tree type that can be used

        I actually think quinine might be better than chloroquine because it’s natural. They always try to claim the synthetic alternative is better. I think quinine has worked better in cases of drug resistant malaria.  You can get the cinchona bark itself. If they have to use bark then they are dependent on trees to get it so they use the synthetic alternative

        Here is a video on how to make tonic water from the bark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCScT48oLPA&feature=youtu.be

        I think you can make tea also

         

         

        • Chloroquine was developed as an analog of quinine for a better therapeutic ratio, that is, a bigger safety margin. (With quinine, the gap between an effective dose and a lethal dose is pretty small.)

          I’m a little surprised that I’m not reading about the difficulty some people, particularly those of Eastern Mediterranean heritage, have with chloroquine. (Years ago, it was even the subject of a M*A*S*H episode.) It’s a genetic problem with a particular enzyme. It’s worth it for individuals with that heritage to read up on symptoms in case the doc who might be treating them is unfamiliar. (All this is WWII vintage info)

          ”Natural” does not always mean safest. As I used to remind students in my Medicinal Chem class, strychnine  is perfectly natural.

          But nothing against tonic water. Morale is important too. 🙂

        • If I was going to drink large quantities of something like cinchona tea or homemade tonic water containing quinine, I think I would ideally start out with a smaller amount and then wait awhile before I tried a larger amount. Then when I did a larger amount I would go a little higher and then again on that wait a good while before increasing the amount.

          It’s not always easy to know what to believe because there are a lot of claims about safety and efficacy and you find that in quite a few cases they are not accurate

          I am in a frugal time right now, if I wasn’t I think I would order some of the bark though I haven’t ruled it out

           

  3. Thank you for the commentary on zinc. I wonder how much of the need for the med was caused by low zinc levels in the body before illness, causing the body to need to (and have difficulty) draw off it’s deeper reserves. We are upping our zinc intake. If anyone else plans to supplement, learn about how zinc and copper interact in the body before you do so.

     

    And THANK YOU for the sale! Will be signing up again soon as I have money again.   You are always appreciated 😀

    • I think it is more complex than just zinc levels.  The studies that have been done on other corona virus types including the common cold using just zinc have been pretty lack luster.  As in may reduce duration and symptoms a bit but nothing major.  The key is zinc inside the cells, which requires an ionophore to accomplish.  Again both quercetin and green tea extract are proven in that function.

      I also say constantly that I am not saying it will help with CoVid only that it might and if dosage guidelines are not exceeded and if any contraindications are present and followed it can’t hurt.   The science does indeed seem solid though, two MDs, a DC and a pharmaceutical scientist have all said to me that this seems to track both logically and scientifically.

  4. This virus thing could be with us for years. We don’t even really know what it is, it doesn’t sound like a flu and it appears to probably have come from a lab. Some have suggested it may never leave your body and come back again and again

    I think it is well worth exploring alternative treatments such as quinine from bark. I have not been convinced it is such a worse thing than chloroquine either.

    I like to explore alternative treatments because you can usually obtain them yourself. Some natural remedies such as Saint John’s wort, padacho bark are quite remarkable and there is no substitute for various vitamins, minerals, and other things to work towards better health

  5. Lyme disease seems to be another thing that came from a lab. The medical system won’t even admit that chronic Lyme infections actually exist and they have actively suppressed such information . It seems like all the people I know who have had any success treating it or that I hear about are all using herbal based treatments.

    The Wikipedia article on chronic Lyme disease basically is a denial of it’s existence and yet many people suffer from it and I know at least a couple. That seems to be further evidence that if you want to explore healing and cures you may have to become your own doctor

    Wikipedia states: Major US medical authorities, including the Infectious Diseases Society of America, the American Academy of Neurology, and the National Institutes of Health, have stated there is no convincing evidence that Borrelia is involved in the various symptoms classed as CLD, and particularly advise against long-term antibiotic treatment as it is ineffective and potentially harmful.

  6. Interesting discussion on zinc. Back in January or February, I heard a medical professional provide a similar explanation of the relationship of zinc and cornonavirus. He mentioned (in regards to the normal Coronavirus) using the cold eeze lozenges (bec they contain zinc) if you suspect exposure / have start of a sore throat… he said this was what he does: laying down, slightly propped up and use lozenge, and let that bathe the back of the throat as much as you can.

    this is not a cure or even true “prevention” but it quite literally cannot hurt (following label instructions) to use this OTC lozenge.

  7. I think you have Quercetin spelled wrong. I was trying to look up what you spelled but all I keep getting is Quercetin. Just want to make sure I have the right supplement. Thanks!

  8. Teasal (Dipascus) kills Lyme spirochetes.

    Seek guidance as you need to ease into it and support other body systems simultaneously (die off can overwhelm your weakened systems).

    For this reason, starting doses can be as low as a 1/4 drop per day.

    Interestingly, we’ve observed deer with Lymes self-medicating with teasal =)

  9. I’ve used Quercitin as I have a bottle that’s more than half gone, but I only take one very occasionally like one pill every two weeks. I listen to Gary Null and he promoted it enough that I decided to get some, though I can’t always remember what the benefits are. I think it comes from apple skins. I probably ordered mine off amazon more than a year ago or something

    I am glad to be reminded of the benefits of such things

  10. Jack do you have a brand of Quercetin you personally like? Same question for the green tea extract.  I know sometimes the quality can vary greatly on nutritionals.

    Btw, just getting to know you and your podcast after hearing you on Tom Woods Show and I’m quickly becoming a fan and dig the straight-shooter vibe I’m picking up.

    You’re now in my podcast subs and I look forward to learning more about preparing my 8-person family for whatever may come our way.

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