Episode-2059- Listener Feedback for 8-7-17

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22 Responses to Episode-2059- Listener Feedback for 8-7-17

  1. Funny!

    I bought the Marlin .45-70 today, was driving home and downloaded today’s episode not 5 minutes later for the 1.5 hour drive home. Lo and behold, it’s a topic. I literally laughed out loud in my truck.

    This 1895 was manufactured in 2011 and it’s beautiful. It’s in better shape than I expected, actually. Looks brand freaking new. I see no imperfections. Action is as smooth as can be expected for an almost new gun and no feeding/extraction problems at all.

    Thanks for your response to the email Jack. It helped me make the right decision.

    John P.

  2. In case anyone else is wondering, the first topic about the suicide soap opera finishes at 29:56.

    • Seems like you didn’t like the segment. I found it pretty interesting. I heard about the case, of course, but didn’t really pay much attention. The timeline and conversations between these two really shows how f-ed up some people are. And how society deals with things like this is very interesting in this day and age.

      Say back in the ’70’s if someone heard a woman on a pay phone (remember those?) say “go ahead and kill yourself, I think you should do it, no really you should do it right now”. Then the dude does it and the witness testifies about her saying that. Would that woman have been charged at all? Doubtful. A lawyer would tear that witness up. Having virtually all electronic communication recorded for potential future use is scary.

      Interesting times we’re living in.

      • Scary side effects could result from this case, both socially as well as politically. Imagine thousands of people reaching out to friends and family for support during their depression, and all of their support system basically saying, ‘sorry friend, I can’t help you or even talk to you until I’ve consulted an attorney.’ Then said attorney of course suggesting all contact be cut unless or until the depression sufferer is str8 jacketed into a rubber room. The fallout from this case could range from isolated bad call from a judge all the way to SCOTUS rulings basically putting the kibosh to humans treating or assisting mental health in any way… possibly to the point of criminalizing it without seeking proper ‘professional assistance.’ Just another camel peeking into yet another tent.

        Legal precedent usually moves in fits and starts, but this is clearly one more of those cases where Statists are looking to forward the ‘see something, say something’ agenda where everyone is afraid of everyone else and no one seeks out healthy human connection or support. *Insert personal AI robot mental health assistant here*

        • Modern Survival

          In two words, HORSE SHIT! Seriously this was not about someone trying to help anyone! If there are any “side effects” it may be that the next time a person gets a text from a friend saying, “I want to kill myself” that they actually notify someone to help them.

          https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/162/Slippery-Slope read that please.

          Can you actually have a “slippery slope” sure but you need, logic, fact, reason and some sort of reasonable extrapolation to back it up, or it is just a fallacy.

          This whole argument is very similar to the right wings nuttery when people were talking about gay marriage and they conflated bestiality and pedophilia into it! Said in full on hick redneck, “God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve, you let this happen and next thing you know some guy will be marrying and having relations with his dawg, I’m telling you, we do this and God will smite our nation”.

          As absurd as that was, this assertion that punishing a person for willfully and with fore thought over days egging a person on to kill themselves to the point where when it actually happened, the other party says I changed my mind and this cunt says, “no get back in the truck you have to” is punishing a thought crime is just idiotic!

          Again the exact same arguments were used to defend Charlie Manson. He never killed anyone, he just told others to do it, they made the final decision as to do so or not do so, its free speech man, and it is such a slippery slope duuuuude, you know, they will be putting up in prison soon for everything we say if this happens.

    • Modern Survival

      I am sorry that actually informing people annoys you!

      • Well, being either of the two participants in the topic of the news story amounts to:
        – doing stupid things
        – with stupid people

        So, those of us with the aim of surviving should have little to do with either of these sorts of people.

  3. Jack,

    One thing that might help reduce the kind of thing like the suicide and the whole text thing.

    Mental Health First Aid.

    https://www.samhsa.gov/integrated-health-solutions

    Mental Health First Aid USA

    I have taken the 8 hour Adult course.

    Thanks for all you do.

  4. Jack, we’re talking about interpreting intent in the condition of MENTAL HEALTH. That’s a large sandbox to play around with. What better way to introduce legislation to shackle the straights then case law based on some whack job who took a dump on the salad bar at Golden Corral. And if we’re talking slippery slopes, all you need to do is go back and read Federal Court cases for the past 100 years to see when and where it leads. That poor girl was convicted and is looking at prison time even though she never fired a gun or even laid a hand on her ex-boyfriend. If we’re going to interpret words as weapons, and you throw that in with wireless wiretapping and government confiscation and holding of text and cell data, well that’s a very dangerous combination in terms of determining guilt or innocence.

    I don’t think the slippery slope logical fallacy holds here when you look at the erosion of civil liberties and the passive censorship that has been going on for years. The very recent firing of the Google employee over his conservative memo is a good example. The State might be afraid to forge legitimate, straight forward censorship laws in this country, but they’re more than happy to use terrorists, racists, or mental health patients to get to the same place.

    • Modern Survival

      Ethan, I stand by my statement and now that you know everything she did, you can’t claim ignorance!

      Going to suggest you join the save Charlie Manson crusade!

      And calling that fucking bitch a “poor girl” as though she is a victim, just pathetic, is all I can say.

    • “Everything she did?” All I heard was a handful of texts that were over a relatively short time span. I am ignorant of what, if anything transpired over the months or possibly years prior. The first texts you read said that she wanted him to get help, indicating that she not only knows right from wrong but that she was trying to do right, she was being a good caring person.

      How many sleepless nights did she have due to his calling her in the middle of the night. How many months or years did she deal with his constant wining and did she allow herself to be sucked into his darkness. Is this a psyco bitch or was she a weak minded caring person that finally snapped due to HIS incessant manipulation.

      I don’t know

      And I would be unwilling to make a judgement call that would wreck her life based on the extremely limited information I have seen in the press along with the short snapshot you provided. After being a juror on several trials including capital murder, I doubt the evidence provided to the jurors was much better. That is more a game between the attorneys manipulating the jurors than it is about presenting the facts in a logical convincing manor. In addition, most jurors (people) can’t or won’t use that grey mush between their ears to analyze the facts even if they were provided.

      Does the refusal to be convinced by such limited information make me an idiot?

      Don’t know, don’t care.

      I see you tried the deer neck stew/roast idea I sent a few years ago. Good stuff isn’t it.

      For the pronghorn guy, make sure you leave all the silver skin on. It will seal in the juices and break down just fine with low and slow cooking.

  5. Consider it lesson learned. I don’t need a bag of bread crumbs to see where this trail leads. The next time my ex girlfriend calls me whining about her depression and suicidal thoughts, she’ll hear me wish her the best, followed by the sound of a dial tone.

    Now THAT’S progress.

  6. That girl that talked that young man into killing himself is as sick as anyone could be. What a nasty scumbag! That was so hard to listen to. She should be hang in the town square and her dead body left there for rotting for a month or two.

  7. Americans need to form an organization to confront law enforcement… Maybe something called “Stop killing us and stop stealing from us!”
    I lost my trust a long time ago…
    I believe I read somewhere that in 2015 Americans lost more money and property to law enforcement than to actual criminals… Makes me wonder who the real criminals are…

  8. I’ve shot a lot of antelope over the years. Even though the meat is similar to deer and elk, there is one thing I have found to be very important with antelope. ….the immediate care. In most states, particularly Montana, antelope season is early in the year when it’s still hot. Antelope have hollow hair for insulation ( unlike deer ,elk, and moose). I’ve found it to be a necessity to get the guts and hide off as quick as possible. The butcher will tell you different because it forms a dry skin over time, that supposedly makes it harder to cut for them. Bottom line is: it’s probably going to be warmer when you hunt the pronghorn than when you hunt whitetails, so get the guts out and the skin off right away. Burn excess hair off with a propane torch or wash it off quickly from the carcass. Get it in a game bag or cool place. I’ve seen both sides of this, and its ALWAYS better meat when it’s properly taken care of. Like any animal, but it’s paramount with pronghorn.

  9. Bruno Garcia

    So once you weed through the considerable empty and inflammatory rhetoric in Evans’ opinion article, the meat consists of a number of long-debunked myths and gross misunderstandings of basic climate science. well it gets your the blood boiling, and that is always quite funny!!

  10. Jack, completely agree with you on the suicide thing. This is horrible. the girl is absolutely liable here. How is this a punishment of speech I don’t know. She is encouraging him to commit violence!

    Rush Limbaugh, who I love, got this wrong too. He says it’s a punishment of speech. I could not disagree more. She is inciting violence. And the kid needs help.

    Man, I can just imagine if that were my son. Just breaks my heart.

    • Modern Survival

      So here is the legal question, the one that will be considered in the appellate court.

      The law absolutely states that one can be prosecuted for encouraging people to commit violence on others, is that sufficient to convict a person for successfully doing it to a person who then commits violence upon themselves?

      Here is want none of the blind “its thought crime” idiots get, if the appellate court overturns this, what they fear will actually come to be.

      As the law is now, there is an extremely high burden of proof upon the state to prove malice, intent and knowledge of the vulnerability of the victim. This is why plenty of people have said to others, “you should just kill yourself” and the person did at some point and charges were NEVER EVEN CONSIDERED.

      This case is so egregious, it will NOT GO AWAY. If the appeals court does overturn it, look for the following,

      First a media blitz on this, will we ever be the same again, what does it mean, Judge Nap breaking down the decision, etc.

      Second a frantic call for a national discussion, we have to do something, think of the children and mentally ill and what not.

      Next a push for “Conrad’s Law” which will specifically make doing what this bitch did illegal. The argument is not that such a law isn’t constitutional, it is that such a law doesn’t exist, and that is valid.

      Using this case states and perhaps even the Feds eventually pass multiple versions of “Conrad’s Law”, when that happens the states burden of proof drops considerably. And then you have the actual slippery slope the “thought crime” morons are screaming about here.

      But what do I know about actually logically thinking about consequences I mean I am just a red neck duck farmer right?

      There is a very high burden of proof under current law, it was met here in my opinion. If that fails though just watch!

  11. I pretty much agree with Jack on the suicide case even though when I first saw the episode on my IPod I thought maybe he was going to take a different position.

    That girl was very strange and I don’t know what makes people like that but it does happen and I found it very disturbing and it seemed a kind of evil of the darkest sort. Other than that if there was new information on the case or why this woman behaved that way I would be curious. I think I heard she had no remorse but I don’t know for sure that is what was reported.

    From what Jack said it sounded like she constantly was after him to commit suicide. The part of the story we heard on the news was he got out of the car and then she told him to get back in ..

    If someone talks about suicide I would tell them that life can be difficult but ultimately there is some purpose in life and I don’t believe one should bail out in that manner and it harms other people. I would just say, I understand there is pain but I can’t condone that solution

  12. @Jack: Funny you happened to put it that way… this week we got back from a camping trip to Terkhiin Tsaagan Lake, and at the entrance toll booth they initially quoted us the (foreign) tourist price. When my wife told them “we’re all Mongolian” I had to keep myself from laughing when they kept looking at me, looking at her, looking at our kids, and then looking back at me and being at a loss for words. We clarified that I was a Mongolian resident at which point they relented, but it was a little funny to see their reaction.

    Anyway, I echo the sentiment in that I’ve always felt my attachment to the American ‘nation’ as a voluntary social/idealogical attachment, whereas any attachment to the American ‘state’ is something I’m forced to live with. When I’m outside the US I feel free of the American ‘state’ (well, MOSTLY… FATCA, FBARs, and the IRS can go eat a bag of dicks as far as I’m concerned), but the attachment to the American ‘nation’/ideal doesn’t change. As strange as it sounds, I think it’s the ‘American’ in me that compelled me to attempt creating businesses here in Mongolia… the desire to explore, take big risks, trying to see the potential in things, and wanting to build something of my own. No reason one HAS to limit their pursuit of the American dream strictly within the borders of the American ‘state’…

  13. I have studied history at university, specialising in Ancient Rome, with special focus on the rule of Caligula (and some other Emperors) and receiving a bachelor of Arts in this field. So I know a lot about this topic.

    I have to say that much of what has been written on Caligula is biased by people’s views that Caligula was crazy. When people write of Caligula in this way I know that they most likely have only read secondary sources on the Emperor and therefore their knowledge has been filtered through other people.

    Much of the information written on Caligula was tarnished by the primary sources (who had an interest in making him look bad… they were mostly the people who lost power when Caligula was ruler) who could be considered as putting special emphasis on the insanity of Caligula to build up later Emperors. This was something that was often done in Ancient Rome.

    Many of the things that Caligula did was possibly very weird, especially when you actually know more about his upbringing. I could go into great detail… explaining every act he took and how it could be intended. In short, he was brought up in Egypt after his father was murdered in a traumatic way. This Egyptian influence really marked his character and was one of the primary motivations in his future actions.

    In Rome, adultery was a series crime. If a husband allowed his wife to commit adultery he was also guilty of a crime. The primary sources on Caligula (who wrote after Caligula was dead and they wanted to make their new patrons happy) wrote on all of Caligula’s actions (both real and made up) in a negative way to make him appear like the worse Emperor.

    I am sure that Caligula did many things which we would consider as depraved (as did many Emperors) and I am sure that he was an ill prepared ruler. Despite this, I believe that he is really a victim of the media of his time who painted him as much worse and to serve as an example to future Emperors on how not to behave.