Episode-1179- Listener Feedback for 8-5-13

Join Me Today as I Answer Your eMails

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Today on The Survival Podcast I take your questions and emails on silver, growing for market, rim fire and center fire, paleo eating, permaculture and up coming TSP Events and more.

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I also do put out a lot of information on Facebook from emails that I can’t fit on the program though so keep em coming.

Join Me Today As I Respond to Your Emails On

  • A Mulligan Mint Update – The Good, Bad and Ugly
  • How you can actually make money as a small producer of vegetables, etc.
  • Rim-fire vs. center-fire, what’s the difference, why do you care
  • Is dairy paleo, who gets to decide anyway
  • Is a book really the right choice for getting on the paleo lifestyle, maybe not
  • What is Permaculture Voices and why should you attend
  • Information on workshops that are coming soon at the TSP Homestead

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129 Responses to Episode-1179- Listener Feedback for 8-5-13

  1. Hi Jack,

    I really appreciate the update on Mulligan Mint. I know you’re burnt out on all the BS, but I recently discovered the Dbag’s website and have to admit I was concerned. I look at all the effort that jerkoff put into tracking down documents, crafting his version of the story..etc Shouldn’t a good businessman be putting that level of effort into serving his customers? Maximizing his efforts on behalf of his partners & investors?

    Nope… Cap’n Ahab wants him some Dick! All he has to do is look in the mirror and he’ll find the biggest one he should ever be concerned with. So much for him.

    Im eagerly looking forward to the paraDimes… fractional silver with the TSP branding. Hell.. I’d love to see a kickstarter to work Rob’s ass off from here to 2024 and the collapse of the dollar just to make Ahab gnash his teeth.

    Entrepreneurs ought to look out for if not stick up for one another… but trying to sink someone who isn’t even your direct competitor… pure duschebag!

    Onward & Upward.. Thanks again Jack!

  2. Couldn’t the small backyard grower use a cold frame for winter greens to the restaurant. Just a thought if someone wants to make it a business. I give my extra free to anyone who wants them in hopes they may want to grow on their own. It has worked.

    • One thing Jack hasn’t mentioned in a while is green houses, you could easily build a green house in your back yard and grow crops all year round, I know it isn’t permaculture but it works

      • Modern Survival

        Why do you think a greenhouse isn’t permaculture?

        • LOL good question. I guess because it’s something you replant, instead of it being self replicating and self sustaining

        • Don’t get me wrong I love Permaculture…but I love a good greenhouse too, after watching that BBC show about the walled kitchen garden I want one of them too LOL!

        • The New Mike

          Shannon,

          You really can’t say anything “is or isn’t permaculture.” A permanent culture is a process, not an individual item. An organic garden, is not permaculture. A rocket mass stove/heater is not permaculture. A forest that has nuts, berries and fruits, is not necessarily permaculture.

          A green house CAN be just as much of part of a permanent living as many other elements. In fact Geoff Lawton / Bill Mollison advocate cool/temperate weather climates, to put a green house on the southern exposure of a dwelling to increase heat in the winter time.

  3. lowwattliving

    I’ve seen the video you were talking about Jack. You know what? I think I might be ordering some silver in the next few days now. I was holding off because I just don’t have a lot of time lately but NOW because of Chris. I’m going to take the time out of my already full week to do so. Keep stack’n in your face Chris! Oh’ and by the way Chris. Because of this so called “Awful” guy named “Jack”. In the last year I payed of two of the five credit cards I have and I’m half way done with the third. This “Awful” guy has changed my life as well as the life of my family. What have you done for me Chris? Jack, I know I’m relatively new to the group but you have my FULL support.

    • The New Mike

      Yeah no shit. Chris is so obviously a manipulative person its over the top.
      When I saw him trying to talk shit about Adam Kokesh, I knew he was a fake phony fraud. What exactly has Chris done in his life? What exactly is he doing to bring forward the cause of freedom? I mean Adam Kokesh, talks the talk and walks the walk.

      Chris Duane is STILL going on about this FDIC thing with Lakota bank. Riiiiiiight.

  4. The New Mike

    Jack,

    While I am certainly not paleo I think we definitely agree on this one. For me the most obvious observation one can make is… what do the poorest people on the planet eat? What are the foods that are given as aid to people in starving countries (which are still starving countries)? What are the crops that are grown (and advocated by the first world) in the poorest countries?

    Its almost always wheat (often pasta) and rice. Bread, pasta, and rice are ALWAYS fillers because the main materials are too expensive and too hard to come by. I explained this to my wife (half italian) and the light bulb went off. Why do you get pasta with italian dishes? Because the sauce, meat, and vegis are expensive and in short supply. Every time my wife skimps on the sauce, I get really aggravated (thats what I want, I want the good stuff). Other than pretty rare occasions we do not eat any wheat, or wheat products. The rice hasn’t been an easy one to kick, and we’ve actually more or less upped how often it is eaten. I like rice, i think it tastes good, but I’m VERY well aware its the same thing. Why is it in all our favorite Louisiana recipes; gumbo, jambalaya and the sort? Real simple, its to make the meals more “satisfying” and gut sticking. (literally right?)

    I look at wheat and rice, for what they really are. They are shit hit the fan, you’ve got no food, “foods”. I look at them as gut fillers, but not necessarily making you better, healthier, smarter and more capable. They’re capable of making you get along with less.

    I have never heard of these stories about the past situations where leaders pushed for more grain consumption, but it doesn’t surprise me for one second.

  5. The New Mike

    Regarding permaculture voices…
    I want to go to it so bad, but I just absolutely 100% cannot justify the expense.
    I think personally, I’m not ready to even sit in workshops with these guys. The price is in my opinion definitely worth it (although I’d have to pay for a plane flight, time off, hotel, etc), however, I’d say I don’t think I’d want to pay that money and get out of what, what I could in perhaps a year of practice/experience or more on my own property to make best out of the workshops and perhaps conversations with these individuals.

    Perhaps they’ll have something else similar in a few years time.

    • Modern Survival

      They are going to do a webinar, details tomorrow on that.

    • The New Mike

      @Jack
      Thanks!

      I just finished the podcast, and definitely throw my hat in the ring about EXTREMELY interested in anything regarding “larger” earth works (3+ acres) I also heard “Louisiana” so.. I mean naturally you can count me has a head count on that.

  6. lowwattliving

    As a matter of fact I just got off the phone with MM and ordered 2- 2013 sentinel coins. You have my word on that!!!!

  7. thewarriorhunter

    jack, the workshops sound great! while i most likely won’t be able to attend any in the near future due to logistics i would go to any of them. as you mentioned the community building aspect alone is worth it.

    the hunting/fishing trips sounded awesome!

  8. Thanks for the other information, FYI James Wesley Rawles, aka Survival blog .com mentioned to Not do business with Mulligan Mint.
    No arguement, here is the link for purpose of information/ hopefully clarity
    http://www.survivalblog.com/2013/08/calling-it-quits-with-mulligan-mint.html

    I personally after if my mind, and experience had a good one, with tspmint.

    Granted as to a few “hiccupps”

    The above offered link is NOT and Enbdorsement, nor an rejection of service.fulfillment/ order completion.

    • Modern Survival

      Um I saw an email from Rob to Rawles today, and indeed I believe James is being paid (in silver). I am hoping he is the man I believe him to be and the man he claims to be and prints a follow up. I think it kind of sucks that Rawles just pulled the plug, he never brought any of these concerns to Rob. I notified Rob of this today, he answered James in about 10 minutes flat even though he is in Montana this week launching the Crow Nation’s new currency. He gave James all the facts, again stated all orders were indeed filled other then a few new orders and asked James to consider printing a follow up, among some other stuff I won’t share.

      No matter what Chris says, Rob has a lot of class and could have been tough on Rawles in public but instead was decent to him in private, asked him to actually read the lawsuit vs. listening to Chris’ bullshit and asked him to consider a retraction when Rawles receives the silver that is shipping this week.

      Personally I think if James comes back and says, hey I was wrong Rob did pay me it will be a very good thing over all. If he doesn’t want any more of this drama, man I understand, again here I sit wasting energy on this so I get it. Just doing so with untruth isn’t cool. Rawles people know he is a good man, if he comes back and says I was wrong, I got paid, the orders got filled, I am sorry I knee jerked, they won’t hold it against him.

      • I too am very interested in what Rawles has to say.

        • The New Mike

          @Jarrod
          He goes off on religious diatribes all the time. After hearing his first rant (after coming up with the idea for the Redoubt) about not trusting anybody who isn’t religious regardless of their background or morals, I was done with the guy. (He said he’d take a muslim over an athiest anarcho-capitalist). If this guy’s principles are that somebody having a “religion” is more important than evaluating a person’s intellect, morality, and their overall nature, we don’t see eye to eye, at all. In my opinion, that’s not survivalism, thats dogma. Drawing divisive lines in the sand over something like that, is the same kind of chest beating bullshit the US likes to do in other places of the world. Perhaps he should take some wisdom from founding fathers by trading with all, alliances with none.

          I read/own one of his survivalism book, it was extremely weak. A book of lists, and “military” style tactics, some good, some very questionable. Just before I read his book I finished reading one of Cody Lundin’s books. The comparisons and value weren’t even close. I haven’t read patriots, it sounds like a terrible book, and I’d rather live in reality than fiction anyway.

          And lastly, as a former enlisted marine, his slinging around the fact he was an army officer (major) doesn’t impress me in the slightest. He sounds like a pompous asshole. Former intel? Great so was I, and I know for a fact officers didn’t do jack didly shit regarding survivalism, so stop the parallels because there is none. (Is something I would say because he brings it up … all the time…)

      • The New Mike

        @Jarrod
        Not me. Rawles lost me a long time ago. I haven’t been to his site in probably 3 years now. While I know he was part of the mulligan mint series, Rawles comes off to me less as a survivalist and more as a dogmatic blind moron (the opposite of survivalism).

    • Just saw Rawles’ posts. That seriously seals the deal for me. I consider myself lucky to have received (after months of delay) what I ordered from MM. I won’t be the last sucker who is left holding the bag. I haven’t listened to this episode yet, but judging by the comments here, I’m sure it’s more defense of Rob. Well, to each his own. There are plenty of other places to buy silver. I for one am done with MM. And yes, I’ll let the door hit me in the ass on the way out. ;)

      • Modern Survival

        Did you read this Chip,

        Um I saw an email from Rob to Rawles today, and indeed I believe James is being paid (in silver). I am hoping he is the man I believe him to be and the man he claims to be and prints a follow up. I think it kind of sucks that Rawles just pulled the plug, he never brought any of these concerns to Rob. I notified Rob of this today, he answered James in about 10 minutes flat even though he is in Montana this week launching the Crow Nation’s new currency. He gave James all the facts, again stated all orders were indeed filled other then a few new orders and asked James to consider printing a follow up, among some other stuff I won’t share.

        No matter what Chris says, Rob has a lot of class and could have been tough on Rawles in public but instead was decent to him in private, asked him to actually read the lawsuit vs. listening to Chris’ bullshit and asked him to consider a retraction when Rawles receives the silver that is shipping this week.

        Personally I think if James comes back and says, hey I was wrong Rob did pay me it will be a very good thing over all. If he doesn’t want any more of this drama, man I understand, again here I sit wasting energy on this so I get it. Just doing so with untruth isn’t cool. Rawles people know he is a good man, if he comes back and says I was wrong, I got paid, the orders got filled, I am sorry I knee jerked, they won’t hold it against him.

        • Jack, well you modified this – your response was already here before I responded – it wasn’t a response to my response. So… weird.

          Of course I guess if Rawles reconsiders, then I’ll reconsider. But what’s up with you manipulating the timeline? That’s weird…

          As you know, I’m no Chris-bot, but other than Kokesh, you seem to be the only guy standing up for this guy as everyone else falls. I guess I admire your loyalty, but in my objective business perspective, Rob is a failure. The mint had a 2 month delivery time before your video. After your video, in which you assured us they were up & cranking, I made another order. That order has now been received (thankfully) but at a 2-3 month delay.

          I’m just stating facts. In the best case, your pal Rob is a horrible businessman. I can get a much better turnaround from other dealers. If he is not ready to compete, he should not pretend that he is. Of course, I fear less than the best case.

          I guess time will tell. Thanks for your response.

        • And yeah, I read your response above, you didn’t need to copy & paste it. I’m not a retard.

        • Your scathing response on Chris’ page also seems to be gone, along with his rebuttal. That’s weird.

          Damn, I hate the drama. I just want to prep. That’s why I am at the point of for myself, and also for those few I advise, telling them to steer clear of both of you. I want no part of M2 or CD. Sorry, gotta stack reliably. That is the prepper thing to do.

        • Modern Survival

          Yea well now I got this at least on my end. I don’t think we will hear my name from him any longer and that will be enough for me. I stand by Rob here and will help him fight by supporting him and I will stay in contact constantly to try to protect you guys but this is Rob’s fight.

          Did you see HOW I nailed him, why he decided to take all the exchange down. I offered to take a polygraph if he would too. I offered to pay his air fare and fly him down here, pay for a recognized company to run the test, that we would then each take the test with PRE AGREED UPON questions. If I failed and he passed I would admit to it, report the results and send him home with 100 ounces of silver for his time. Oh this offer also included two nights in a great hotel at my expense while he was here. I said if he failed the test he would just go home and owe nothing and that would be plenty.

          Then all the exchange vanished! If he denies it well I think too many saw it for that, but learning my lesson, well I have screen shots.

          I think this is the most telling thing I can do and I only wish I had thought of it sooner. Hopefully now Chris will leave me out of this shit. He can say I involved myself but the truth is I only involved myself as much as I had to due to the damage he caused me with the way he handled this.

          Anyone want to lay odds on the probability that Chris will come here and take my offer. LOL I am serious about it too! I’ll take the test but we know he won’t and that says it all.

  9. I think the question that needs to pondered is why you hardly see any fat asian people, and they eat lots and lots of rice, hmm…

    Probably because they get up and move around?!?

    You don’t need science, glycemic factor, ad nauseum to figure out what the one critical issue is. I assume the end goal of most people state-side is to be floating around on the spaceship like they were in wall-e. Isn’t technology great?!?

    Probably the one improvement people can make in their eating habits is portion control. Little tricky, eat the amount of food in relation to your level of activity. However, again, no need to worry about the food category you are sticking in your mouth.

    • Modern Survival

      Starving doesn’t make one healthy just thin. Science is exactly what blanket statements like you just made are lacking. I seriously challenge you to read “The Glycation Factor”.

    • Scott,

      It’s a myth. They don’t eat “so much” rice.

      Asians eat a lot of rice. American’s eat a lot of rice, corn, wheat, potatoes, SUGAR and FRUCTOSE and so on. The total amount of carbohydrates consumed by most Asians is not as much as consumed by your typical American.

      Many of them are on subsistence diets, and it may be 90% carbs, but it’s still fewer carbs than a rich American diet that’s 50% carbs. They also eat less refined forms of rice which tends to reduce some of the harmful effects of a diet rich in carbohydrates.

      • Modern Survival

        It is also interesting to note, last night I watched a bizzare foods with Andrew Zimmerman in Surname, which has a huge African influence. They showed African decedents living in the jungle with many African traditions intact.

        In the beginning I was stuck by how fat they all seemed. Then I realized it was all the women who were fat, these woman cooked a lot with rice and kasava (a flour made from a tuber). The men were all thin and many looked like athletes.

        Well as the show progressed you saw why the men were hunters. They would go into the jungle for days, hunt and bring meat back. The thing was you could tell they ate more then they returned with.

        Frankly the men in this village are ripped and eating very paleo, very little rice one remarked it was “women food” and the women get the left over meat they men return with. This is mostly lean bush meat, as the men devour the fat and organs first because they spoil fast, they smoke the lean meats and return with them.

        Seeing a 180 pound 6’2″ foot ripped dude standing next to his 220 pound 5’8″ pudgy wife is pretty telling. They live in the same place and those gals get a work out pounding rice and kasava, they are not sedentary but they are all over weight. I didn’t see a fat guy among them.

      • The Japanese have been very healthy on a high carb, low fat diet. Jakevf is right, they eat less sugar than Americans, and that’s key. The theory is that it’s fructose (found in sucrose and corn syrup) that is really toxic to humans. There’s a great (long, but engaging) lecture on this ‘fructose theory’ by Dr. Lustig: http://youtu.be/dBnniua6-oM

        Regular glucose is also not perfect, but it’s much easier to mitigate its comparatively slight ill-effects with fiber and exercise (clearly, the Japanese and many others have managed to do this).

        Also, saying that something is a metabolic toxin doesn’t necessarily mean it will cause problems in small amounts. We already know this about alcohol (which has metabolic effects similar to fructose). And clearly we evolved to derive nutrition from fruit itself (albeit as a small part of our total calories and with lots of fiber). But the big problem started when we foolishly reduced our fat intake and the only way food processors could make their food palatable was to replace the fat with sugar.

        • Modern Survival

          @BeninMA, stop believing shit the TV says and stereotype, see Sarah’s response to this, she is spot on.

        • Modern Survival

          @Benin let me add the following to this, http://www.dietdoctor.com/why-are-asian-rice-eaters-thin pretty spot on there and not from a paleo perspective.

          I also owe you an answer as to why you are wrong about sweet vs. white potatoes I think.

        • “@BeninMA, stop believing shit the TV says and stereotype”

          Is this meant as a joke? What are you talking about?

          Sarah is factually wrong in that the Japanese do eat a hi carb, low fat diet (although she is right that they are reverting to the unhealthy modern wester version of that diet).

          The link you provided backs up *exactly* the ways I said a hi carb diet could be healthy. Your “three main reasons” that Asians are thin on a low carb diet are: 1) Very low sugar/fructose 2) Hi fiber 3) Daily exercise And that’s exactly what I said (even if I was maybe a bit more long-winded about it).

          In any case, I’m glad we can end on a note of agreement, even if you may not recognize it as such.

      • I saw a documentary once that discussed native diets. This idea that Westerners have — that Asians eat all this rice and are the pinacle of health — isn’t accurate. Native diets in Asia include rice, but the bulk of their diet is what we’d call Paleo — meat, veg/fruit, HEALTHY fats, and yes, rice.

        What’s more, when Asians move from their native diets to Western diets (which is happening in Japan), they get fat just like the rest of us.

        The human body was never meant to be sustained on the kinds of foods that we eat here in the US in the QUANTITIES that we eat them.

  10. Jack this is Ryan from the woodybed event.
    1) The company I work for uses dolphin docks every year and they are great.
    2) BILTONG! That would be awesome to learn directly from you. If it wouldn’t be ready in the timeframe you could just shop it out to us. Also a good way to make yourself a ton of biltong.
    3) how about a follow up on our woodybeds.

  11. Hi, Jack. What I want to say is not meant to be critical, so please know that I am sincerely happy for you and others who have found Paleo the best lifestyle for you. And I’m also sure that you and they, realize that balance is the secret of health. Since our chemical make ups are different, the balance is also different. I have been tweeking my lifestyle for about 27 years eliminating foods which cause discomfort and holding with those which don’t. My balance just happens to be vegetarian with some seafood, but mostly fresh veggies, fruits and nuts. My body simply won’t process animal protein. I was sick until I learned that. I eat limited dairy and fish, but nothing white or prepared. I try to make my diet a rainbow diet, and if gathering is Paleo, then I’m paleo, too, making sure I have healthy fats. I forage as much as I grow. Without a hunter, I am still a gatherer. So sometimes I feel you may look down on us who are vegetarians for health reasons, and include us with the religion or animal rights sorts of things. Actually, I raise free range farm animals for others to eat. And the smell of bacon or frying chicken drives me crazy…..I can look but not touch. When talking about Paleo, would you please include people like us in your monologue or invite someone (besides me) to talk about that side of nutrition. Thanks in advance.

    • Modern Survival

      Again, I say eat what you choose to, if you are happy fine. The whole our chemical make up is different though is a complete non starter argument for me. We are all far more biologically the same then we are different. I don’t care what your genes are, if your blood insulin level is routinely over 18 micro liters you are not going to be healthy, your are going to put on fat and you are going to burn muscle.

      Now is lots of meat and paleo the ONLY way to keep blood levels below that number, absolutely not, it is just the easiest way to do so.

      Sorry I can’t speak for vegetarians and I won’t advocate the decision nutritionally. If it is the only thing that works for you fine but I seriously doubt most people when they claim, “my body won’t process meat”. If you say it is true I believe you but man I say that people who genuinely have this issue must be a very small percentage of people. I also wonder if meat is the real issue. You mentioned “balance” and something could be out of balance and make meat a problem I guess, I mean I just don’t really know.

      Anyway I think Weston A Price makes a lot of sense, so if you can’t go paleo I would recommend his book as a great resource.

    • The New Mike

      @Jack

      I personally think a lot of people have opinions and observations of their bodies that could be considered dogmatic and not quite the full story. I have a friend who is full on vegan, of which he went on because he had bad acne and all sorts of other things (not because any “save the animals” nonsense). So he became vegan and he all of a sudden became thin and no acne, so he now has the beliefs that “meat and dairy do things to him” when in whats more likely, it was his previous overall eating habits and more importantly the QUALITY of his foods. This is where I think alot of the big agro grain comes in. (Think meat that only ate awful food).

      The problem is this guy is sick far more than most “normal” people. For his age (I think 28) he is sick a few times a year. I wouldn’t exactly call that healthy for his age. I have another friend who is vegetarian, exact same thing. In fact he is extremely active, yet, he gets sick way more than other people. Neither one of these guys produce their own food, or eat food that was healthy itself, rather packaged stuff. I should also note they don’t eat often “crappy” vegetarian foods (like soy burgers or faux bacon).

      Fish and shrimp in general aren’t fed gmo non-human consumable corn as their own diet, and thats one reason why I think they’re generally more capable for people than others. I also don’t believe people are “all that different” other than some people just simply have ailments (born with, or developed over a lifetime of consuming bad things, who knows).

      I doubt I’ll ever go “full paleo” (because as slight pessimist, I don’t believe I”ll be in such abundance of food to be able to consume the highest food for human consumption via my own hands), but I will eat the best quality food I can get. This is why I jumped into survivalism, this is why I have taken on permaculture (I don’t care about “saving the planet” especially if I can’t even save myself). If i’m going to eat rice, it better be high quality fresh rice, not loaded with radation (see japan).

  12. oh, and Jack, it’s the first thing I think of when you talk about the workshops….what might we eat? Beer’s cool, though. lol

  13. Jack please link material you refer to about wheat being addictive..thx

  14. RE: Dairy and Paleo

    I don’t believe raw milk would violate a paleo diet.

    However, I personally have minor issues with dairy concerning problems with my joints (aches and stiffness). Eliminating dairy helps me with my joint problems. But that’s just me. Your Mileage May Vary. (YMMV.)

    As for my own efforts at ingesting raw milk, I just can’t get my hands on the stuff. So my own ability to experiment with seeing how my own body would react to raw milk is impeded by local ordinances against raw milk sales.

  15. RE: Paleo. I think the general dismissal of dairy by paleo advocates in the past was based on processed dairy. Most of the leading thinkers these days say that raw milk products are beneficial if you tolerate them. Since raw dairy has the lactase enzyme which allows you to digest lactose many people who are lactose intolerant can actually consume raw milk. I suggest people try it out starting with small doses. Anyone looking for a well rounded perspective on Paleo should look up Chris Kresser, he is an excellent practitioner and researcher and has a book coming out in December. http://www.chriskresser.com is his website. Cheers

    • Modern Survival

      “Since raw dairy has the lactase enzyme which allows you to digest lactose many people who are lactose intolerant can actually consume raw milk.”

      Okay well that is my something new for the day, thanks for teaching me that. It certainly makes the raw dairy battle more important then it already was.

    • Once you go raw milk you will never go back, I buy milk and butter from a local grass fed dairy farmer and I couldn’t imagine going back to store bought!

      • Milk that has been pastuerised and homogenised should be called a “milk product” not “milk”. It is a crime that it is so hard to get raw milk in both the USA and over here in Australia

    • Thanks Evan, I rushed to the computer just now to share that about the lactase enzyme being in milk that has not been cooked (pasteurized). Milk (raw or otherwise) also contains a hormone called IGF (insulin-like growth factor) which promotes growth. The knock here is that it may promote un-natural growth – bad if you have cancer. However, if all systems are working properly it’s probably more likely to promote muscle growth/recovery.

  16. RE: Historical propaganda promoting the ingestion of grains

    I can’t speak to ancient history. However, I learned from my school teacher training about the history of “The American Public School Free Hot Lunch Program” which was instituted in the late 1940′s after WWII. It turns out that the whole program is nothing more than a government subsidized way of propping up the endless sales of dairy and grains in this nation. The USDA is the primary driver behind this business strategy, and the “Food Pyramid” which came out in the 1990′s was designed NOT with human biological health in mind but instead was crafted to (falsely) promote grains as the most important food group a human can eat from.

    Background:

    Back in the late 1800′s when the inner city missions such as the Bowery Mission and the American hospital movement and the Salvation Army were all under way, the plight of daily hunger and severe malnutrition among poor inner city children was one of the most pressing concerns of those Christian charity/do-gooder movements. The New York City public school system produced a series of (at the time) magnificent public school buildings all strategically placed throughout the City to service all the common children (the children of the rich who didn’t attend private academies) and give them mandated educations. The buildings were equipped with classrooms and libraries, but none had gymnasiums or lunch rooms. Instead of gyms and lunch rooms, the kids ran around outside every day during recess, and then they brought boxed lunches from home which they ate either outside during recess, or at their school desks during inclement weather. (And any kids who for whatever reason didn’t bring a lunch simply went hungry that day.)

    The Christian charity/do-gooder movement proposed that providing free hot lunches in public schools would be a way to ensure that all American children, no matter who poor, got at least one descent meal per day. The idea was flatly dismissed by all entities of government –City government, state government, and federal government. The very idea of feeding the masses for free utterly chafed against the political sensibilities of the day. Charity was not deemed to be the role of government and so all such programs should remain in the hands of private and religious organizations.

    Then along came WWI. After that war was over, the generals all sat down and agreed that too many of the soldiers that came from the ranks of the American populace was mediocre. They felt too many young men who could have been called in for combat were rejected under the new Selective Service Act and classified as medically unfit for duty due to medical reasons clearly related to childhood nutritional deficiencies. Physical deformities and permanent injuries were something no one could do anything about. But the toll exacted by childhood malnutrition represented a terrible waste of manpower in their eyes. The generals suggested that if the American government could somehow assist with improving the nutritional intake of American children, then the next time a war rolled around we’d have a better pool of physically fit young men to draw from. So the generals borrowed the same proposal originally put forth decades earlier by the Christian charity/do-gooder crowd, and they likewise suggested that public schools could be used to feed proper diets to American children via a federally subsidized free hot lunch program. But once again the US government balked at the idea of public charity from the coffers of Uncle Sam. However, as a side issue, the generals also insisted that the government address a secondary concern, specifically the issue of overall physical fitness. They insisted that too many American young men were not as physically fit as they needed to be for combat. And so on this one issue the US government concurred, and that was when the laws concerning mandatory physical education classes in all American public school first came into being. And so from then onward, ALL new public schools had to be built with gymnasiums in them. And ALL children attending public school had to take phys ed class.

    Then the Roaring 20′s happened with lots of money flying around and a lot of terrific public school buildings got built everywhere in America with some truly state-of-the-art (at the time) gymnasiums (such as the swimming pool seen under the gymnasium floor in the movie It’s a Wonderful Life). But then came the Great Depression of the 1930′s. Lots of poverty and malnutrition ensued among an entire generation of children from 1930 onward. After 10 years of terrible diets, those 6-year-old and 7-year-old kids from 1930 were suddenly 16 and 17 years old when WWII started. And of course those kids all signed up to fight in the war. But too many of them (at least as far as the generals were concerned) showed up with rickets, bad teeth, underweight, etc. Too many of them were classified as 4-F (rejected for medical deficiency).

    We won WWII. But the generals AGAIN came back to the post-war discussion table and they AGAIN insisted that there were too many cases of malnutrition that could have been avoided through earlier dietary intervention. So they AGAIN proposed a free federal hot lunch program for the US public school system. But … AGAIN the government itself said “No! Charity is not the place of government.”

    However ….

    The American agricultural industry stepped up and voiced their current plight over the whole War Machine getting shut down on them, and thus all their very lucrative produce contracts of supplying the military with food during the war years were suddenly no longer needed due to the war effort now being over and done with. The bottom was about to fall out of the entire us agricultural business, which would send thousands of farmers into bankruptcy, would shut down thousands of farms, and we’d see a huge rebound effect in prices. That rebound would start off with a huge fire sale of all agri-products where food prices would drop down into the basement. But then the following growing season we’d see all food prices everywhere spike right up into cosmic heights due to the sudden food shortage that would result from too many farms going out of business. The agricultural industry demanded that Congress act immediately to prevent a devastating US food crisis.

    So for the very first time Congress elected to feed the masses. They went ahead and approved permanent funding for a permanent federal free hot lunch program for all public schools. From then onward ALL newly built public school buildings in the USA had to include a commercial grade cafeteria in their construction. The main focus of this new food distribution program was going to be on potatoes, wheat and dairy. So lots of potatoes, lots of bread, and lots of milk. Dairy in particular was in a serious plight with all those canceled war contracts. But this new lunch program would ensure that all (or at least most) dairy operations throughout the USA could continue their high-output operations which they’d achieved during the war and which they now didn’t believe they could throttle back from without decimating the whole dairy industry. (Just ask a dairy farmer even today in the year 2013 how FINANCIALLY difficult it is to scale back on milking 300 cows every single day once those ladies get cranking along in daily output).

    So … next time anyone says the American public school free hot lunch program is a GOOD thing, just remember the true motivation behind keeping it afloat. They couldn’t care less about your kids’ well-being, they just wanna endlessly sell milk and grains. (And as a secondary consideration, they also wanna send your kids to war one day.)

    • CORRECTION:

      I meant to type up above:

      “magnificent public school buildings all strategically placed throughout the City to service all the common children (which is to say, the children who were not rich and who therefore didn’t attend private academies).”

    • Modern Survival

      You and your pesky historical facts again, LOL, great post.

  17. Jack,
    You mentioned if the blood glucose level is above 18 micro liters your body will not burn fat. If confused on “micro liters”. As a diabetic we measure blood glucose in milligrams per decilitre (mg/dl) or millimole per liter (mmol/L).
    I’m guessing there’s a way to convert these to your “micro liter”
    I know it’s not mg/dl because you’d almost be dead with a 18 mg/dl. And a mmol/L of 18 would be equal to a 324 mg/dl.

    Could you tell me what 18 micro liters would be in mg/dl?

    • Gotta be a simple typo.

      No way to convert microliters (10^-6 L) to a concentration unit.

      • If there’s not a way to convert how do you know when you are at 18 micro liters? I’m not trying to be argumentative, I really would like to know.

        • Jack,

          18 microliters is strictly a unit of volume. It means 18 millionths of a liter.

          Something like glucose levels, testosterone levels, etc will be measured in terms of concentration. I.e., typically mass of solute (stuff) per unit volume of solution (mixture).

          There’s more than one way to measure concentration, but it is typically amount of dissolved stuff per amount of mixture.

        • If I’m not clear enough, please forgive. I’ve been up for nearly 48 hours.

    • Modern Survival

      No I said blood insulin levels, not sugars. This is likely not a problem for you. See Jake’s comment below.

      You are diabetic, you inject insulin, in a person without diabetes when we eat sugar our bodies make insulin. This is about insulin response not sugar levels in and of themselves.

      Read Dr. Ellis’ book for a full explanation.

      • Luckily not all type 2 diabetics need to take inject insulin. There’s some very effective medications out there that help our body still make some insulin.
        Paleo has helped me lower my A1C from 7.8 down to 5.5. It works! I would never have started this lifestyle if it wasn’t for TSP!

  18. In today’s show I’m pretty sure jack is saying micro liters

  19. Think of 18 microliters as 18 parts per million (ppm)

    • Modern Survival

      That would be correct.

    • Just FYI, and NOT being argumentative here, 18 ppm would be 18 milligrams glucose per kilogram of blood. (1 kg blood occupies about 1 L.)

      • Modern Survival

        From Dr. Ellis’ book, I don’t claim to be an expert on measurements.

        “Insulin’s half-maximal dose for inhibiting fat release is 18 ?U/mL (microunits per milliliter). To reach the halfway point in shutting down fat release means that insulin only has to rise about 8 units above its fasted level of 10 ?U/ mL. As we shall see shortly, it doesn’t take too many grams of carbs to make insulin rise to this level.

        There are three primary sites of insulin’s braking activity: one is an enzyme, inside the fat cell, that causes the cell’s stored triglycerides to break into fatty acids. Triglycerides, themselves, cannot leave the fat cell intact, but must first break down into three separate fatty acids which diffuse across the cell membrane into the blood.

        The second site of activity is the fatty acids passage across the cell membrane.

        The third one, recently discovered, is that of a fatty acid/triglyceride cycle in the cell. In other words, as a fatty acid is clipped away from the triglyceride molecule (there are three fatty acids per triglyceride, hence the prefix tri-), these fatty acids can actually recombine with a triglyceride backbone, reforming a new triglyceride molecule. The scientific term for this is re-esterification.”

        The on the next page a few paragraphs ahead.

        “When the body reaches a state in which it needs to burn glucose, the liver releases its stored glycogen. But the liver doesn’t hold much glycogen: it holds about one quarter of a pound. The obvious question at this juncture is: What happened to the glucose in the last meal?

        That glucose is quickly turned into glycogen and body fat, largely fat; at which point, blood glucose levels decline. Interestingly, the liver is also sensitive to insulin, and a half-maximal inhibitory dose of insulin on glucose release is 18 ?U/mL. The maximal dose of insulin to stop glucose release from the liver is 34 ?U/mL. This number is important for another reason: at this insulin level, both fat release from the fat cell and the burning of fat from the blood are maximally suppressed — stopped altogether.

        Starting at insulin levels of about 30-38 ?U/mL, the rate of carbohydrate conversion into fat rapidly rises until maximal rates of conversion occur. When insulin levels reach 72 ?U/mL, fat release and fat burning are long-ago stopped, and the manufacture of fat from carbohydrate has approached its peak. Fat release and fat burning, of course, are at their lowest possible levels when carbohydrate conversion to fat is approaching its highest level.

        Keep in mind that fasting insulin levels are usually between 6-10 ?U/mL in healthy, lean subjects, and 16-20 ?U/mL in the obese. So, at rest, high-insulin levels in obese subjects have already shut down fat release by 50%,”

        Again this book is 30 bucks but free to all MSB, really take some time and read it, nothing I know of is more scientifically backed then this book. It is why I negociated with Dr. Ellis to get it given freely to all MSB.

        • Sounds like a good book.

          As I thought, it is not microliters which is strictly a unit of volume, but micro Units per milliliter which are units of concentration. Where “Unit” is defined differently foreach biological compound. (I’m not a biochemist so I am unfamiliar with this particular usage.)

          NOT being argumentative. I’m only continuing to reply as you said you really want to know.

  20. Jack Szpirko

    From Ancestry dot com
    “Spirko Name Meaning: Altered spelling of Jewish (from Poland) Szpirko, a nickname (or unflattering name to Jews assigned by Polish Christian officials), from Polish szperka ‘bacon’, ‘lard’, ‘pork fat’. ”

    LOL, still laughing. Are you a fat Jew, Jack ma boy? Wait, we know you’re fat, so are you a Jew, or derived from Jews? Would explain a lot, pork fatty.

    • Modern Survival

      Wow that shows you to be the racist little fascist we all knew you were coward. You think I am ashamed of my name?

      It goes deeper if you want the truth. My family is from the Ukraine, much of my family was originally though from Poland and left for the Ukraine many years before the Nazis because racist hateful shit like this was already going on for centuries before WWII. To the best of our knowledge the family did this in the 1600s. Somewhere along the way the name did become Spirko, oddly it did as well for other members of the family that went to Czechoslovakia, Hungary and Romania. We really are not sure how the clan all made the same change given the time and lack of communications, perhaps it was pre agreed on.

      As for being a Jew, Judaism is a religion not a race. Only cowardly stupid fascist racist fucks like you think otherwise.

      My family actually converted to Catholicism in the Ukraine into a sub sect of the Catholic Church today still known as “Ukrainian Catholics”.

      At this point due to your sloping brow, thick skull and under developed brain I have likely exceeded your reading comprehension but will continue for others that might find this interesting.

      The Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church confuses most outsiders. It is an Eastern rite church that is in communion with the Vatican. Drawing on the Christian legacy of medieval Kievan-Rus’, it was officially founded through the 1596 Union of Brest (hence the church’s other widespread name, Uniate). “Greek” was added later to distinguish it from the Roman Catholic Church. Despite this they are “in communion with the Roman Catholic Church” and recognize the pope.

      Ukrainian Catholics are very much similar to what I call a Jewish/Greek Orthodox/Catholic Hybrid. Growing up that way I got a far more fundamental understanding of religious history then most Jews or Christians ever would. For instance while we celebrated Easter as Catholics a lot of passover components were included. Ukrainian Catholics saw no reason to throw out an old tradition just to adopt a new one. Judaism is of course the root of all Christianity, it is sad that most racist shits like you call themselves Christians will bashing Jews. Today by the way I consider myself a Deist and don’t ascribe to any faith but I do still value the history and traditions of my family.

      Anyway in the late 1800s the Spirko clan in the Ukraine along with several others like Depsky and Wastician all saw the writing on the wall in what was to come in Europe. They knew of a place called America where there was work, good land and opportunity. So they left and came here, my Grandfather arrived in or about 1898 as a baby. My grandmother about the same time. They lived their whole lives married in a house my Grandmother’s Father (a Wastician) built, today my father still lives there. My Great Uncle (a Wastician) lives one house to the north, one more house to the north is a member of the Debsky family. The three families all came over at the same time from the same place. Loyality is still very high among us. Our group settled in the coal region of PA, others of the family settled in Ohio and New York. My family became coal miners and part time farmers and many also became carpenters. My grandfather did all three.

      The families version of the root of our name is actually worse than yours. The pig part came from the fact that we were jews that were so poor we had to work as pig farmers. We joked our name meant “pig farming jew kicked out of Poland” and it isn’t far off. So how does that make me feel, knowing the common bond all Spirko’s have. Our name isn’t like Smith or Jones, if you are a Spirko you are connected to every other one and we all know it and most of us I think know our full history. How does it feel that 400 years ago my Jewish ancestors were so poor they had to farm pigs, something that is the bottom of the barrel for a Jew especially of that time? Great, amazing in fact!

      See there are so very few of us and I mean a very few. Most phone books of big cities will have one or two listings for our name at best. We figure there are only a few thousand of us in the US but somehow we have done some pretty cool shit.

      Craig Spirko is a big time TV producer, the guy behind shows like Shark Tank and Last Comic Standing, he is a 3rd cousin of mine.

      Rastislav Spirko is an NHL Allstar

      Robert Spirko is a well known author

      and as for myself, Jack Spirko is a podcaster with an audience that now numbers over 85,000 a day.

      Not bad for a family living in dirt just a few centuries ago.

      As for you I am sure you know little of your family history other then a story about a cab driver that gave your mom 20 bucks.

      Look you little coward, I don’t allow your posts most times but you showed how pathetic you are here so I allowed it. Why are you such a pathetic coward? Why don’t you say shit like this directly to me and stop hiding who you are?

      As for calling me fat, fat is easy to cure, I am no longer fat. Insulting a person who used to be fat by calling them fat only works on insecure women. If you were not stupid you would know this. Sadly for you while fat is easy to cure, stupid and cowardice are generally terminal.

      • Jack, I hope you ban the feck-all out of that worthless piece of shit troll.

        • Jack, your family’s history is fascinating and you have a heritage to be proud of. Too bad the telling of it came up in the context of a comment from he-who-shall-remain-nameless. Thanks for sharing it with us!

        • Also, I “look” Jewish, and so whenever anyone asks me if I am, I always say: “Being a Jew is an honor I regrettably cannot claim.”

    • Howdy Chris…Feel better, now?

    • x2 what susanG said, fascinating family history. Thanks for sharing.

      Like that video of you messing around in the office: it might have been embarrassing if we were all in junior high, but now the sad sack trying to leverage it just looks pathetic.

    • Hey asshole, Jack has meant a lot more to all of our lives than you ever will, whether you or he is a jew or not, who gives a shit? A man is valued by his ethics & contributions. So in short, eff you douchebag.

    • I doubt this is CD. Probably just a bot.

      • Modern Survival

        Yep that comment is the official “coward” a tool that has been sniping at me for years. I have mentioned him on air a few times. He has a pretty piss poor understanding of web tracking technology.

  21. I want to thank Jack for introducing Paleo to me. Since he had Robb Wolf on the show and I’ve adopted a Paleo lifestyle, I’ve lost 60 pounds. I’ve started listening to Robb’s podcast. If I understand what I’ve heard in regards to dairy, Robb thinks for the first 30 days you should remove dairy and then if you want to reintroduce dairy, do so and see if how it affects you. I’ve added raw milk on occasion and have seen no adverse reaction. This is from someone who had been lactose intolerant his whole life.

    • Modern Survival

      @Hraz said, “I’ve added raw milk on occasion and have seen no adverse reaction. This is from someone who had been lactose intolerant his whole life.”

      That is very interesting! It would seem to me more to indicate that you either…

      1. Had an adverse reaction to something in milk and other dairy not the lactose itself

      or

      2. Had actual lactose intolerance caused not by lactose but by your overall diet.

    • Not sure if it was the lactose that caused the discomfort or something else. I used to drink regular pasteurized milk. I’ve read that the pasteurization destroys the enzymes in the milk that help you digest the lactose. I’ve also read that pasteurization alters the protein structure in the milk. I’m glad we can get raw milk in Pennsylvania. I know I feel better now since switching to Paleo, I can tie my shoes without straining and I don’t feel like taking a nap after lunch. Thanks for sharing this concept with us.

  22. Jack, would you share a link on this aquaponics system you described at the end of the show?

    Thanks bud.

  23. I love that you talk about Paleo here I think it’s great to spread the word, it’s funny I found your podcast because I was searching around to see if it was feasible to Prep in a Paleo way)
    I don’t read many of the books out there on Paleo but I do visit a number of websites as I find that it gives me a daily dose, a great website is Marksdailyapple.com (food, lifestyle and fitness)
    I also listen to a few podcasts from time to time Abel James Fat Burning Man is one, and another good one is Dr. Lauren Noel, a Naturopathic doctor who promotes the Paleo diet, her podcasts deal with many different topics but diet is at the core.
    I mention Naturopathy here because I was not healed by diet alone, it got me a LOT closer, but I still needed help with some issues that took
    hold because I had eaten so poorly, didn’t sleep well or deal with stress for so many years. It’s good for people to realize, especially if they just started Paleo, that they didn’t start having health problems overnight so it may take some time and sometimes it’s not diet alone that gets them where they want to be, find a good doctor who understands the role of nutrition along with proper health care. (Unfortunately most conventional doctors do not get this)

    A lot of people might be turned off to Paleo based solely on the concept that they can’t relate to Hunter-Gatherers because they existed so long ago and therefore we must be guessing about the way they really lived. But it’s important to remember that people ate this way – the whole time! It didn’t radically change until about the time of the industrial revolution.
    Chris Kresser sites an interesting article on his website “What Mid-Victorians Can Teach Us About Nutrition and Health” that may make it more relatable to some.

  24. I found a book called “The Perfect Health Diet” by Paul Jaminet to be very good. It makes a case for eating paleo. I agree with Jack when he says that authors sometimes get elevated to guru status. This book encourages the reader to explore your own biochemistry to allow you to become a citizen scientist and possibly a beginner biohacker, I really believe that being a good steward of your property and your community resources extends to your personal health too. This book helps with that. Good book, well worth the price.

  25. Has anyone heard any updates from JW Rawles of SurvivalBlog regarding his renouncing Mulligan Mint? Has he changed his mind about this?

    • Modern Survival

      All I can tell you is I sent him a personal email and haven’t heard back yet. Give the guy some time man.

    • Jarrod,
      He’s asking for people with problems to contact him with their order information so that he can help get their orders filled.
      Roscoe

    • @Jack – fair enough. The allegations are serious. I imagine JWR wants time to re-examine carefully.

      @Roscoe – by “he”, you mean JWR?

      • Yes. All the “he” and “him” references were to JWR. It’s in today’s survivalblog.com under “Economics and Investing”.

    • @Roscoe – okay. I read what JWR just posted today. Looks like his is investigating further and perhaps softening his stance.

      Playing Devil’s Advocate, I suppose it could be read that, in his mind, he really is done with MM and is just making sure people with pending orders don’t “get screwed.”

      I hope everything works out justly and fairly.

      • Quality issues have been one thing. Not one person has yet to cough up proof of non delivery though. I think JWR bought into the whole smear nonsense without reading anything for himself. Maybe once the mint has a chance to show there are no outstanding orders for his community, he’ll get it. I’m still amazed at how some bloggers can’t seem to leave private matters private when resolving things like this. I could think of a hundred better ways to have handled this.

      • The New Mike

        @InBox

        Totally agree. In fact I saw the paradimes are out now. No questions asked I’ll be buying. I need to take a look at the monthly finances and figure out the timing and I’ll probably pick up two rolls of them.

    • One thing I have not resolved in my mind is what (allegedly) happened to the “20,000 missing silver ounces” after Republic Metals did an accounting of their metals.

      Most other issues are more resolved in my mind. But this I am still wondering about.

      Can someone give me an idea what happened?

      • It is a dispute over the consignment agreement. The actual agreement was included in the court docs so I got to read it for myself. Paraphrasing since I don’t have it handy, it says that if the customer (the mint) sells or transfers consigned metals that the customer shall repay the supplier (RMC) in like value or replacement metals. Thing is it has no repayment timeline and is effectively an open ended revolving line of credit. From what Jack has said, this line of credit has been used in good faith for years now, and is only now being called due because Chris got the new owner of RMC to buy into the fraud smear. The “missing” silver is silver that the mint transferred to customers while presumably expanding operations, and this whole mess is essentially the supplier attempting to force liquidate the mint to call the debt immediately due. Both parties don’t seem to dispute that the equipment alone in the mint would satisfy the debt. But the supplier basically is claiming defraudment and wants everything now, while the mint is trying to bide time to repay without liquidating.

        • Modern Survival

          You have that 100% accurate!

          The no timeline open credit thing though is both a positive and a negative.

          Positive – The mint can clearly claim that they never agreed to a complete repayment by lump sum.

          Negative – Republic can clearly claim they never agreed not to call the line in in full

          Now again, Mulligan Mint has made an offer not just a hand shake but a offer to allow a court judgement to require 100% enforceable full repayment by Jan 1st, 2014, Republic has refused to accept this.

          Again I do believe we are at a point where Rob is going to win or loose this fight in the next few months. As long as I can protect my customers and those with silver on lease to him, I can stand by him and keep recommending him, if that changes he fully understands I need to tell you guys.

        • @Jack – is that a typical SOP for this sort of business? I have no idea, that’s why I’m asking.

          If not, I guess this is why Republic Metals is behaving this way.

          If so, then I guess Chris D really fooled Republic Metals. It seems odd that their new CEO could be suckered by Chris D so well.

          Not being argumentative, just trying to look at it from every angle.

        • Modern Survival

          @Jarrod, again keep in mind the owner DIED, dropped over dead and the new owner with no track record with Rob just took over. I personally saw dozens of coordinated emails from Chris’ minions to Republic and to many others MM had a relationship with. It appears for now that Republic is the only place where it really worked.

          Frankly I have no idea what SOP in this industry is. I just know what happened up till now.

        • @Jack – okay. Thank you!

  26. OK… I’ve been holding my tongue for a long time. In fact, I was gonna write a similar comment on a previous show, but I let it go — until now.

    Jack, I’m a low-carb/Paleo devotee. I believe that MANY problems that folks see today can be healed by using medicine as food. BUT … Could you lay off us Type 2s, PLEASE? I developed Type 2 WHILE eating low-carb/Paleo. And I know several people online who, despite eating really clean low-carb are still insulin-dependent diabetics.

    Yes, crappy diet makes things worse, but cleaning up your diet doesn’t always cure it. Cleaning up one’s diet can make it more managable, certainly, and a good diet can cure it for others. Some of us are pretty broken though, and holding us all up as examples of laziness, sloth, and worthlessness just encourages that dicotomy of “us against them” that I know you hate.

    I’m guessing you don’t intend it to come out that way. Just consider that even with Type 2, things aren’t as cut and dry as you make them out to be (and that I wish they were.)

    • Modern Survival

      There are exceptions to every rule but 99% of the time Type 2 is a lifestyle illness. If you want to provide me any information that counters that, I am happy to read it and revise my opinion.

      • Latent autoimmune diabetes (LADA) falls into the Type 2 category usually. With LADA, immune system antibodies attack the beta cells of the pancreas which makes it hard for a person to regulate blood sugar levels.

        I would agree that lifestyle causes the complications of Type 2 to manifest themselves harder and earlier, but there comes a point where a person can do all the right things in the world with much less efficacy because of choices we made long before we knew any better.

        For instance, another podcaster that I love, Jimmy Moore, figured out that after all those years of drinking Coke and eating Twinkies by the box, he now has to go through near-Herculean efforts to control his blood sugar. Even too much protein (more than around 90 grams per day, IIRC) causes blood sugar issues. I have the same problem. Too many non-starchy veggies or too much protein will spike my blood sugar, and it’s likely that’s happened because we compromised our pancreas’ ability to product insulin from so many years of making so much of it to overcome our insulin resistance.

        If you’re interested, and some point you might want to give a VERY quick glance at Dr. Richard Bernstein’s site:

        http://www.diabetes-book.com

        This guy is as bright as they come when it comes to diabetes because he’s lived with it since the 40s. (He’s a type 1, and his story is amazing.)

        Suffice it to say, there’s still so much we don’t know about the disease, however I agree with you whole-heartedly that it can be managed by doing something as simple as going low-carb. (If a person is gluten-intolerant and a doctor told them, “Well, have all the wheat you want but take these meds with awful side effects to make your life somewhat livable,”, you’d think he was off his rocker, right? So I just don’t get the ADA says, “OK, you glucose-intolerant people. You need all this sugar and starch to live, but then we’re gonna have to load you up with a bunch of meds that don’t help as much as we’d like.”)

        • Modern Survival

          Great and can you show me some statistics as to what percentage of Type 2s fit that? My guess is it is likely lower then total Type 1s in relation to the total population or very similar.

        • A quick search turned up estimates of 10-20% of Type 2s as having LADA. At the Wikipedia article I glanced at, they went further to say as much as 50% of non-obese diabetics have LADA.

          Dr. Bernstein references statistics that have Type 1s as making up 5-10% of the total diabetes population, so the LADA folks probably outnumber the Type 1s.

          Now, I still contend that LADA is lifestyle-related in many cases, but not for the reasons most might think. If we eat crappy food, if we jack up our immune systems, this is gonna cause all sorts of autoimmune disorders to manifest themselves. The prevalence of all this autoimmune stuff is mind-blowing when you compare it to even 100 years ago, and I really think a majority of it has to do with the food-like substances (what most call “food”) that sustain us.

        • I’d be really curious to see how many of those are also leading sedentary lifestyles. You can eat everything right, but most people carry what amounts to an auto-destruct gene if they aren’t doing enough physical exertion. I don’t recall the exact mechanism, but what you described sounds very familiar.

    • I guess it depends on what is labeled type 2 diabetes. Just because you get it later in life, doesn’t mean you are like those who can take care of it simply exercising more and eating less carbs. I wish.

      I don’t have numbers nor medical terms, possibly LADA, my husband was diagnosed diabetic in his 30′s. It runs in his family. At the time he’d lost 30 lbs between Thanksgiving and Christmas at back to his military required weight. The lbs he lost was for the most part was muscle mass. He is on insulin. His body does seem to make its own insulin, but how much seems to be quite erratic.

      Exercise helps much, sweet potatoes are much better than white potatoes. Beans much better than wheat. Fried foods will mess up his glucose levels for days.

      It runs in his family (although how a family eats can make it run in your family). His aunt, never overweight, would check her glucose before each meal, give herself 5 insulin shots a day (2 long term, one before each meal based on her current glucose level). She watched what she ate, exercised. Her sugar levels would drop so low she’d pass out and over 500 within the same 24 hours. I’d never say that type 2′s brought it on themselves by being a couch potato eating junk food. Something fixed by simply changing lifestyle.

      I also question whether insulin shots (and other meds) is the best solution the way drs prescribe. Either my husband’s pancreas is getting worse on its own, or the shots themselves (which my husband says increases his appetite) cause the need for larger doses over time.

      We’d heard of a local chiropractor who was helping diabetics get off all meds. Talked to a guy who was seeing him. Change of diet, exercise routine, supplements. Off all medications. Later he quit seeing the guy. He thought he was doing well but his glucose levels were averaging in the 300′s. Would love to have someone local who knew what they were doing and could help diabetics wean off as many meds as possible.

      Possibly the food we have today trigger it as other auto immune issues. However, his grandfather had similar diabetes (not childhood and similar issues, lost his eyesight) and it has been said it ran in their family before that.

      Problem with type 1 and type 2 labels is that they are too general and you’ll find quite a few who don’t really match either label.

      • If you’re a diabetic or you have one in your family, please, PLEASE check out Dr. Richard Bernstein. He has an amazing book that tells us how to achieve “normal” blood sugars (an average of 83mg/dL), and I’m telling you guys that this man is spot on! He’s type 1 — got it when he was 12 — but he spent so much time with his body as his science experiment that he went to medical school in his 40s so folks would take him seriously. He has a practice in NY, and people come from all over the country to see this guy. His information is TRULY life-changing.

        For all diabetics, he advocates a very low carbohydrate diet (30 grams per day.) For the type 1s, this means they inject less insulin, and for the type 2s, it means we preserve some of our pancreas. Dealing with stuff like this when life is good is just how we need to be thinking. I don’t want to find myself in a bad situation with no low-carb food and no beta cells left in my pancreas. As it is, when I eat that way, my insulin response can’t keep up, and that’s while things are GOOD. Add illness or stress, both of which can elevate glucose levels in the best of circumstances, and you’ve got a bad thing brewing.

        The ADAs wisdom seems to be, “Eat all these carbs and then ‘cover’ them with insulin.” I’ve heard Dr. Bernstein talk several times about why this is. They’re trying to cover their asses so they don’t get sued. If a diabetic has a heart attack, stroke, amputation, or goes blind, it’s a consequence of their disease. If they die from hypoglycemia, then doctor’s get sued, and they don’t want to bother with that.

        Diabetes is really complicated. I’m discovering this more and more every day as I try to manage my disease. Grain, beans, sugar, starchy veg, fruit — it’s all out for me. Even doing that, exercising, and eating very few calories (around 800-1000 as a 240lb fat chick), the scale barely budges and my blood sugars are just barely in the normal range (although still not as low as I’d like.)

        I really do think there are a lot of us out there working hard to manage our disease. It’s just unfortunate that so many people are getting BS from the ADA that KILLS people (and lines the pockets of Big Pharma.)

        OK… Off my soapbox now. :)

  27. Count us in for hog hunting, general how-to stuff, etc and maybe fishing. We’re gonna start full-time RVing in October and will plan our travel around your events.

  28. Count me in on the fishing trip, the aquaponics workshop, and if I can swing it the permaculture voices next year. Sounds like a blast!

  29. lowwattliving

    Wow! I ordered two: 1 oz. silver sentinels the day of this episode and received them today! That’s only a “FIVE” day turnaround. I am oficialy impressed with Mulligan Mint. I will surely be doing business with them again. And you can take that to the bank……unless you are Chris D.

  30. Did I mention, all ya’ll need to bow down to the 2012-2013 champion Baltimore Ravens champions? Yeah baby! :)

    • Modern Survival

      LMAO, perhaps one day you will have 6 of those along with 8 AFC championships.

    • tyronedeblanco

      Jack, do you play fantasy football out of curiosity?

      If so, any chance of doing a tsp league for fun?

      • Modern Survival

        I don’t but that could be fun for you guys if you get something going on the forum and let me know I will announce on the air and help you guys get it moving. I don’t play stuff like that personally but I know it is a lot of fun for a lot of people.

  31. tyronedeblanco

    Jack, just wanted to let you know that i really hope Rob comes out of this on top. Just had my 3rd comment deleted from CD’s site. Never called anyone a name or any malice. Straight up questions and observations about all three parties involved in this. Yet he lets someone use fat and gay slander repeatedly without any deletion.

    I have some concerns about Rob, but CD has really made himself look like a tool even if he is 100% correct. It’s not just the comment boards, it is the way he has handled the whole situation. He comes off as a smug. Sorry for the name calling, but it is what it is.

    I’ve tried to look at both sides and CD has some pretty damaging material, but his approach makes me think twice that he is not being 100% honest.

    I can imagine the stress this has caused you and I admire that you are sticking to your honor with a friend that could be possibly lying to you. (Not saying for sure that he is) Some call it blindness, I see it as loyalty. We are in short supply of loyalty in this country and im sure many here see that you are trying your best and trying to stick to your word / honor.

    Even if this blows up in your face, everyone makes mistakes, no one is perfect. I LOVED the sentinal coins you produced. I ordered some as a hand down to my children when I die some day. I look forward to when this gets cleared up to ordering more.
    I recently sat down with my oldest (11 yr) and explained what the coins meant. When my other two get old enough, ill tell them as well. This past week, my wife and I took my oldest to the range for the first time and we both attended a intro to pistols class.

    I love your show and love the community of ppl here. I hope someday to attend one of your workshops and maybe have a beer with you. Stay strong in this shit storm that you are in and remember to keep your cool. CD looks like a fool when he goes emo, don’t fall into the same trap.

    Again, still rooting for Rob and You to come out on top of this. Take care.

  32. Interesting point on fat. I don’t worry so much about fat as I eat yogurt with cream on top. I do try not to eat too much cheese and I learned that cheese pizza for dinner every night is not a good idea, once or twice a week is fine though.

    I don’t know that carbs are bad except that with obeisity today, people eat too much carbs. I think it is probably more healthy to eat not enough within reason than to eat too much and I think you can eat plenty of carbs as long as you don’t over eat.

    It seems like potatoes, corn, wheat and all that are fine tasting foods. I would be curious to hear more stories about how elite people have been trying to get us to eat potatoes. People have been cooking with fire for a long time, but it is true that many raw foods are healthy.

    Jack Spirko seems to be a man of principles with his story about the precious metals ongoing battle here that we have been hearing about ..

    • Regarding carbs, here’s my take. If you’re insulin resistant, eating any quantitiy of carbohydrate triggers an insulin response that our body reacts to MUCH slower. This means that are blood sugars are higher for longer. It also means that all of our cells are constantly being bathed in insulin.

      To understand why that’s a problem, you have to understand what insulin does. It’s not only responsible for lowering blood sugar. It’s responsible for fat storage (pushing excess blood glucose into fat cells as fat to be used later), it triggers hunger, and it stimulates digestion.

      What does this mean? It means that as an extremely insulin resistant person, I could eat, for the sake of argument, 600 calories worth of fruit in a day. (That’s not hard to do.) And let’s say that’s all I ate in that day. Almost ALL of those calories would be from sugar since we’re talking about fruit. That means my blood sugar would spike, I’d be exhausted (because blood’s been pulled to my digestive tract to supposedly digest food that isn’t really there anymore), and I’d be HUNGRY. “Of course you’d be hungry. That’s only 600 calories,”, you might be saying. But here’s the thing. If you take those same 600 calories and feed them to a person as 80% fat, in very short order, that person will feel satiety on those few calories because their blood sugars are level. That’ll NEVER happen with those few calories when they’re made up almost entirely of carbs.

      If you’re a person who can have carbs in “moderation”, then all the power to ya. I happen to think though, especially considering that a quarter of the nation is diabetic or prediabetic, that a lot of the folks who feel that way are fooling themselves and they just don’t realize it. And then there are people like me. Too many carbs not only makes blood sugar control, weight issues, and health issues completely unmanagable for me, but binge eating is triggered which tosses me into the circular path of gnawing hunger, eating too much food, having my blood sugar go too high which triggers insulin which triggers more hunger which triggers more food… You get the idea.

      I can’t help but get a little testy when people tell me (and I’m not saying you said this, just to be clear) that I can have carbs in moderation; I just have to “watch” them and not “overdo”. Well, to that, I say, “Would you ever tell an alcoholic or a drug addict that they could have their problem substance in ‘moderation’? Would you ever tell someone with a severe allergy that they could have just a little of their problem food as long as they used their epi pen? Of course not!”

      I’m not going to tell anyone else how to eat. We have to come to these very personal decisions on our own. I just really do advocate people having the information in case they find it useful some day, especially because what the government has told us about “healthy” eating over the last 40-50 years is flat WRONG!

      • Modern Survival

        This is very accurate but I think you might not be driving the point home about people that think they don’t have an issue and still do. In a perfectly healthy person insulin will still get beyond 18 micro-units per milliliter very quickly. Consider the fasting number is 10. At 18 the bodies ability to burn fat becomes massively impaired, at this level it is because the body simply is saying, I don’t need to, I have lots of energy to work with here. Thing is most Americans today including many that feel healthy (for now) walk around elevated above 18 for 75% or more of their waking hours.

        Doing so for a long time will turn a non insulin resistant individual into you guessed it, an insulin resistant individual. Once it begins then it cascades. In what seems like no time at all a person goes from being elevated to 18 micro-units per milliliter to the doubled rate of 36, at that point the body is in total chaos. This is the point where your Dr. says you are “pre diabetic” but the reality is you are actually diabetic at that point. Again it isn’t a switch that is on or off folks for Type II diabetics. Think of it more like a dimmer switch slowing being turned up over time. The right position is OFF for your body but people think they are healthy with it 20% on and only “pre diabetic” when it is 40-50% on.

        The other danger is we go to far on this road because the benefits of low carb are not only insulin related. Once a person gets off carbs and starts to eat healthy meats and fats the next thing to happen after blood sugar moderates is inflammation starts to go away. This is another thing that isn’t on or off but on a dimmer switch. You can live with that dimmer switch on a low setting all though your 20, 30, 40s, etc and sure work out and moderate your calories and you look healthy. You hit the 40s-60s and shit starts to fall apart and it gets attributed to “old age”.

        Its in your food guys, please if you don’t believe me at LEAST eat old varieties of grain and learn indigenous cultures uses of them.

        • Well put, Jack.

          Another critical point to make though, keeping with your dimmer switch analogy, is the fact that with insulin, keeping the dimmer at 40% or 50% (or whatever %) for too long will eventually burn out the bulb (beta cells in the pancreas.) Andyou can’t go to Walmart and get a new bulb. There’s NO WAY to recvoer those cells once they’re done.

          We evolved needing those bta cells to control our blood sugar for there’s rare times when we’d get high-carb food. Today though, the government says “healthy eating” means including high-carb food EVERY DAY. Eventually, our pancreas has to cry uncle, and eventually we start seeing the systemic effects of poorly controlled blood sugar.

          Honestly, I think the issue of diabetes/insulin resistance is one of the most critical “survival” topics there is, but too many folks want to put their heads in the sand. Just because we WISH something wasn’t true doesn’t make it so. I WISH I could live on pizza, coffee, ice cream, and candy and be healthy, but I can’t. And those folks who’re normal weight — you can’t either. Have you ever heard of a “fat” skinny person? It means that there are skinny folks who’re just as sick as fat folks, but they don’t know they’re at risk because their weight is fine. I’d invite you all to think about that for a sec.

      • food can be a drug, but food is different than drugs also because you need food to survive .. drugs like alchohol are mainly pychological although small amounts of wine could be considered a religious thing I guess as Jesus drank a little wine.

    • I started to learn to do fasts when I was in my late 20′s. My dad was often angry at me because my mother would cook dinner and I wouldn’t want to eat because I was fasting. I got into that from reading yoga meditation books and so on. From that I got away from the idea that I need 3 meals a day at a certain time. I would go visit my uncle and be ridiculed for not wanting to eat anything much but I didn’t care what they thought. When I got into surfing I had to read some sports nutrition books that indicated before you go surfing or do your workout, you should load up on carbs the day before and your body would also break down muscles and you need some protein. Surfing made me tired or run down if I did alot of it without eating much. Nowadays I am working and I eat alot of bagels or hummus with blue corn chips, but I only eat when I feel hungry and usually don’t eat breakfast. Bagels are an easy fast food at work as they have alot of carbs in one batch. I never put cream cheese on my bagel, just butter. I often eat small dinners, but if I am going out to dinner with a friend I will eat less during the day so I can eat all my food at the resteraunt. I did hear from Arthur Haines a claim that wild food has better nutrients. This seemed interesting. Perhaps Jack should have him on, he specializes in foraging and there is also a guy Samuel Thayer who I seem to have been hearing about as well

      http://www.arthurhaines.com/

      http://foragersharvest.com/about/

  33. Rawles has posted the outcome of his investigation of Mulligan Mint today ( 8/23/2012 ). It seems like even though he’s been paid his commission and 99.2% of all orders have already shipped, he’s cancelling his relationship because Rob has not answered a complex question with either a yes or a no.

    • Modern Survival

      Good summary, and Rob did give him an answer. I was a third party observer in a lot of what went on. James is asking, “have you fully repaid Republic” the answer is no, of course not and the expectation based on what occurred is ridiculous.

      I have no issue with the fact that James wants to end things, I get it I really do. Standing in this is very hard for me so I get it. That said the way he did it initially was pretty childish.

      My understanding is Rob and Republic are well on the way now to a very workable solution. Republic wants their money, Rob wants to pay and frankly if this crap didn’t happen and the mint wasn’t harmed by slander they would have already had it back.

      On the initial demand Rob offered to pay in full in 90 days. But Republic sued, the orders went down even more, tens of thousands were spent on legal fees to survive and now it is going to take longer.

      Republic seems to have snapped to this. But only the future will tell us the final results.