Episode-1227- Thoughts on Oath Keepers Going “Operational”

If You Have Served Before, Serve Now.

Recently Stewart Rhodes published an article on the Oath Keepers website called, Oath Keepers is Going “Operational” by Forming Special “Civilization Preservation” Teams.

I find the general theme to be very positive, however many very clearly got the wrong message.

In his article, Stewart says,

We urge you to presume the worst in the short term, and to work in three or four month sprints – assume that a collapse will be triggered this fall/winter and do all you can to get yourselves and your communities ready.

Sadly many people read that to say,

“The end is coming in 3-4 months and we have intel saying that is the case

THAT IS NOT what it said.  I also know directly from Stewart that it isn’t the case.

In fact before reading the article myself I told Stewart he needed to be very careful in what he was saying.  Frankly I thought that is what the article said because getting ready for my trip I had yet to read it myself.  Frankly I thought this because I had received dozens of hysterical emails saying that was the case.  When I read the article I did my typical, “damn, how do people draw these conclusions from this?”, that I do about 20 times a day.

Now blogs and alternative news sights are fricken buzzing with “the end is near” BS and using Stewart’s article as “proof” and spinning it vs. reporting on it.  The fact is this is very important and it is sad man in alternative media seem just as addicted to perception bias and yellow journalism as the lame stream media.

Today as a founding member of Oathkeepers and personal friend of Mr. Rhodes I intend to clear some of the confusion up, talk about what is great about the plan and what might make it better.

Join Me Today As I Discuss…

  • The bad timing that caused much of the confusion
  • What happens when non military minded individuals read military thought
  • The basics of the plan, teams of
    • Two communications experts
    • Two medical experts
    • Two engineers
    • Two food reserve specialists
    • Four to six scouts
  • Logistical support team of
    • Peace Officer Liaison and Sheriff /posse Team
    • Military and National Guard Liaison
    • Neighborhood Watch Team
    • Local Government Team
    • Intelligence Team
  • What Oath Keepers thinks “the plan” is by establishment
    •  Intentionally trigger a catastrophic economic collapse as an economic “neutron bomb”
    • Let the country descend into chaos
    • Ride in like the cavalry, to “save” us by means of martial law and scrapping our constitution once-and-for all
  • What I think the plan is
    • Cling to their paradigm as long as they can and stave off collapse
    • Accept that collapse is inevitable and plan for it
    • Watch the country descend into chaos
    • Ride in like the cavalry, to “save” us by means of martial law and “not letting a crisis go to waste”
    • Net results are the same, timelines differ greatly
  • Problems with the Oath Keepers Team Plan
    • People don’t “think” sufficiently, they fail to adapt
    • We are not surrounded by SF style people
    • We need to think in two phases, organize then “draftee” the holes
    • The com specialists are good with gear, not with words
    • Food reserve specialist assumes reserves will exist, need to add procurement
  • The good of the plan
    • It is a great template, if people will use it and adapt to what they don’t have
    • It has people talking and thinking differently, made the crisis real
    • It can work IF we can bring in MORE Oathkeepers with real skills
    • It focuses on working with authority as long as said authority keeps their oath
    • It is preemptive
    • It is a great kick in the ass

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39 Responses to Episode-1227- Thoughts on Oath Keepers Going “Operational”

  1. OMG so you’re saying the end is coming in 3-4 months and Oath Keepers has intel about it?!

  2. Haven’t listened yet but awesome topic. The announcement caught my eye and I’m glad you’re focusing on it in a responsible way.

  3. My ongoing distaste for OK is the ongoing “only ones” attitude that people that never carried a gun for a government agency are useful only for fundraising and cannon fodder. It is great that they serve as an encouragement for public servants to remember what their actual job is, and they can do as they please, but if there was ever a disaster, and a group of their “special people” showed up wanting “to teach, organize, and lead, rather than to directly fight” (ie get the unwashed masses to do their dirty work) their options would be to leave walking or leave limping. Elitist BS runs contrary to the nations core and all historical precedent of maintaining liberty and prosperity and I think they darn near blew their foot off with this one.

    • Interesting (pre-biased) take on things. Elitism or exceptionalism, thats the question. I am of the opinion that anyone willing to take a stand in the face of growing adversity is pretty exceptional in my book, but my book is rather thread bare with missing pages so what do I know?

      As for “to teach, organize, and lead, rather than to directly fight”, most people are clueless about armed conflict. The ones who puff their chest on the forums, proclaiming they would be first to take up arms (not counting Vets who know the score) will be the first to run in terror if caught in a real fire fight. Eminent death has a way of inserting a different paradigm into most peoples minds. Having a 45 put to your head in a robbery will also elicit new thought patterns. Life threatening violence is something most people know little about and would need some teaching, organizing and leading. Enough from me I think. If opinions were exchangeable for silver, I would be rich! 🙂

      • Perhaps elitism is the false presumption of exceptionalism. Personally, I have too much private sector experience to trust a uniform if I don’t have to – especially if they fancy themselves the solution. Job experience is fine and dandy, but it doesn’t make the whole of a person. I’ve met too many service personnel that run the spectrum from ready for anything to couldn’t tie their shoes without orders to believe in the mantra that government service makes leaders.

    • Modern Survival

      I have to say you have no understanding of Oath Keepers at all InBox485. I would be hard to be further from the truth than what you just said.

      • If I’m wrong, I’ll be so happily because the potential isn’t lost on me. But the way everything is laid out on their site seems pretty clear. The separation of those who were public sector from those who never were is laid out from the ground up:

        “Full membership is open to currently serving military, reserves, National Guard, police, fire-fighters, other first responders (i.e. State Guard, Sheriff Posse/Auxilliary, Search & Rescue, EMT, other medical 1st responders, etc.) AND veterans/former members of those services. Those who are not current or prior service can join as an Associate Member – as a citizen who supports our mission.”

        I’m clearly not the first or only person to see what has been written in black and white as I’ve seen this concern expressed since about when OK was first forming. Comments like “Also a group of veterans in my experience will start working to resolve an issue while most groups of civilians are still debating on whoops in charge of the situation” are the exact attitude I’m seeing, and if there is a collapse to the degree that you or Stewart think could happen, I can’t imagine that attitude working out very well.

        In my own personal life I know people from both public sector and private sector backgrounds that run the spectrum from the finest people I know to the sort that needs a foot in the gut to get them breathing in the morning, so when I see an attitude that one end or the other of that spectrum should be assigned to one sector or the other, it quite frankly comes off as bigotry to me.

        If OK wants to be exclusive that is fine, but that would make them under the community cohesiveness umbrella not over it. If it is the intention of OK to be fully open and inclusive, they have done an amazing job at communicating the opposite.

  4. This same hysteria can be found proliferating on the Pathfinder boards, as people constantly repost spurious reports of Chinese troops and NATO tank columns supposedly advancing from some place to another. People really should know how to spot the hysteria operators by now.

    My favorite was that Chinese troops had landed in Galveston. Having lived a great deal of my life in Texas, the very idea made me laugh. Most people dont appreciate how rowdy them good ole Texas boys can get! The big question is, who is originating these reports and why? Someones sick idea of fun or…?

    P.S. Go Oath Keepers! Also, I remember when “The Green Beret” went big. It was nostalgic to hear those lines again. Awesome ‘cast!

  5. Theres nothing like an episode like this to make you realise how important it is to have a sane and rational voice in survivalism. Thank you.

    I’ve just had a quick peak at AJs site and it is just so full of BS. When is he gonna come out and admit that it is all a spoof………I know Jack is always fair about saying a lot of useful info comes from infowars but really? Industrial quantities of bollocks, no admission of complete contradiction, and adverts lots and lots of adverts.

  6. There are a few ways to organize and this Ted Talk was to me a terrific example of how a community is organizing itself around food. May not be the entire book but it’s surely an impressive chapter.
    http://www.ted.com/talks/pam_warhurst_how_we_can_eat_our_landscapes.html If this behaviour went viral then communities would be much less likely to panic in the event that things went to hell.
    I thought it was a very honest and heartfelt podcast today but I suspect a lot of people share the distrust of someone setting themselves up as being “in charge” ..especially when accompanied by guns…that someone mentioned in another post. That’s why it would be important to have local people involved who were respected and trusted, not just someone who had experience in this or that.

  7. Thank you Jack. You are an amazing leader. I’m so glad I found your podcast. You inspire me to be a better person.

  8. Jack, this episode seemed to be aimed at former military and current LE. The only only mention I heard about non mil/LEO was that the Oath Keepers would come to train us. What role do “civilians” play with the Oath Keepers? I don’t think you mentioned it in your podcast, and if you did I missed it. This episode seemed to be aimed at former military and current LE. I glanced at their website and saw that non mil/LEO could only become “associate” members. Could you please explain how those of us who are not Oath Keepers fit into their plans? I won’t be a slave to the government and I won’t be to any other groups that claim they are “superior” to me.

    • Modern Survival

      Oath Keepers is made up mostly of LE and Military both prior and active but it is 100% open to any and all. It is simply founded on the fact that those of us who did or are serving took an oath, one we should all keep.

      No one in Oath Keepers looks down in any way on anyone who hasn’t served. We have just made a commitment and it is one we intend to honor.

      • Dennis McQuillen

        Why doesn’t Oathkeepers come up with their own oath and have people travel to a common location and all recite the oath together. That way anybody could join and be on more equal ground. I would require the travel to ensure people are serious.

        • We appreciate the suggestions, but Oath Keepers is designed the way it is for very specific reasons, based on the Constitution, our objectives and our target demographic. The only Oath is the Constitutional Oath we took in the course of our public service, mandated in Article VI of the Constitution.

  9. BeewhispererWyoSurvival

    Jack, I did your show on Group Prepping. This Layout is AWESOME. We have a form lay out, but nothing like this. Do to the fact we try to embrace all of the likeminded from all walks of life, It is hard to base everything on a military stand point. I totally agree with all that you said, and so does my group. We have set up like this, but many play more than one roll. SORRY I know One is none, Two Is one, Three Is where we need to be. This is just some things we have been working on. Jack great show. Good sounds at the end.
    I.P.U.G. / A.M.T.U
    I’m Prepping Urban Guerrilla / American Militia Tactical Unit
    Medical: Veterinarian , Two RN’s, Certified homeopathic Med herbalist.
    Prospects: Acupuncturist, Pharmacist
    Economic developer: ?
    Prospects: Economics teacher from Collage America
    Food Prep and procurement: 15 year LDS Canner, Certified Homeopathic Med Herbalist, Rancher/gold prospector. BEEKEEPER
    Prospects: Manger of local Whole Food Store, two cooks from Mc Donalds
    Communications: University professor of Media and Computer programing, former Air Force Pilot now explosive transporter, Dispatcher for local truck stop
    Prospects: Media and Web designer, manager of a local Kinko’s
    Militia unit: Formaer Air Force pilot now explosive transporter, dispatcher of local truck stop, two brothers former army, Fire fighter, BEEKEEPER
    Prospects: 13 Year Backwater/G4S member

  10. Thanks, for helping explain things, Jack. You have understood the concept, perfectly. This template is not going to be a perfect fit for every community, and there is no way there are enough Oath Keepers to fill out these positions. It is a general plan to get Oath Keepers to fill out teams where they can, and encourage others to form their own, as best suits their situation. Another point you didn’t address, but one that we have come across elsewhere is that Oath Keepers is becoming a militia group. This is not the case. We are not forming private militias, but rather teams that COULD become a foundation for Constitutional militias in coordination with their local governments, augmenting a Sheriff’s Posse or Neighborhood Watch program during emergencies.

    To address some of the comments here, it is unfortunate that people have a negative view of Oath Keepers and assign our organization an attitude of elitism. We see ourselves as servants, not masters. We don’t hold ourselves as “superior”. The reason we are primarily an organization of Police and Military is so that we will already have a unique bond with the people we are trying to reach. Our target demographic is the Police and Military personnel, sworn to the Constitution, and no other groups are addressing them. There are countless groups that target politicians, celebrities and corporations, but the guys with the guns have been ignored, except for those who bash and criticize them. That is counter-productive. What better way to make someone your enemy, than to call them your enemy and make threats?

    We want the Police and Military on our side, or at least to have them stand down and refuse unlawful orders. These two groups are critical, because the domestic enemies of the Constitution fully intend to use them against U.S. citizens to enforce their unconstitutional edicts. If we can reach the guys with the guns and awaken them to their Oaths and their duty to refuse unlawful orders, the domestic enemies of the Constitution will be toothless. The Military and Police are more disposed to listen to us, because we ARE them. They know we have been where they have been, and experienced life in their shoes. That is the only reason we make the distinction between members and associate members.

    We don’t shun or dismiss people who want to assist us in our mission, despite not having a Police or Military background. We are VERY happy to have them working with us. In fact, some of our most dynamic members are associate members. The VP of the Texas Chapter is a woman named Michele, an associate member with no Police or Military experience. She holds this position because of her own merit and professionalism. Not only does she hold a State Leadership position in one of our largest Chapters, she is the heart and soul of our National Billboard Campaign. She is just one example of the importance of our associate members.

    The Civilization Preservation Team concept is not just for Oath Keepers members. Anyone can do this, and we hope they will. We are doing it, because we will not ask anyone to do anything we are not willing to do. It is a necessary step in having communities prepared to stand, without the need of government intervention after a disaster. It removes the pressure citizens would be under to turn in their guns, or their neighbors, for a bit of food in a disaster, man-made or otherwise. In no way is this an attempt by Oath Keepers to rule over anyone. We are trying to help people who want help, but we will never force people to do anything. We hope they will do it on their own, if we set the example.

    In a perfect world, Oath Keepers would not be needed, and everyone would honor their Oath to the Constitution as a matter of course. Since that is not the case, we honor our Oaths by stepping forward to support and defend the Constitution, by encouraging the Military and Police to do the same. If people want to join us and assist in that mission, along with the CPT efforts, we welcome them. If they want to do it on their own, then we encourage them to. The CPT concept does not belong to Oath Keepers. Anyone can use it to prepare their communities. We don’t want credit for it, we just think that prepared communities are going to be a key factor during the troubled times ahead. We are not asking, nor expecting, them to join our organization.

    Indeed, one of the strengths of the Oath Keepers concept is the iceberg analogy. The active membership is the visible tip, while the rest who don’t join, but agree with and support our efforts and ideology, are the unseen mass below, unquantified and unknown. We don’t ask all current Military and Police to become members, because it is better to have them inside their organizations where they can influence their peers. They can be the right person in the right spot at a crucial moment. The unknown element of Oath Keepers is a definite factor in the planning cycle of the domestic enemies. No Commander wants to risk giving an unlawful order if he thinks there is a possibility that his troops will refuse. This gives pause and makes unlawful orders less likely to be given in the first place. Sun Tzu would approve, I think.

    Oath Keepers is not the solution to all of the problems we face as a Nation. Instead, we are just one tactic to prepare the future battlespace, making it more likely that we will be able to restore our Constitutional Republic. Each member of the Police and Military we reach counts as two; one less for the domestic enemies and one more for the forces of Liberty. We are just one organization, of many, in the Liberty Movement. We have a unique and narrowly defined mission, but we are no more important than the other organizations working towards restoring our eroded Natural Rights. We may walk slightly different paths, but we are all headed in the same direction.

    James Hanna
    Oath Keepers
    Board of Directors

    • Thanks for the response here. I’m quoting the following for context:
      ****
      “To address some of the comments here, it is unfortunate that people have a negative view of Oath Keepers and assign our organization an attitude of elitism. We see ourselves as servants, not masters. We don’t hold ourselves as “superior”. The reason we are primarily an organization of Police and Military is so that we will already have a unique bond with the people we are trying to reach. Our target demographic is the Police and Military personnel, sworn to the Constitution, and no other groups are addressing them. There are countless groups that target politicians, celebrities and corporations, but the guys with the guns have been ignored, except for those who bash and criticize them. That is counter-productive. What better way to make someone your enemy, than to call them your enemy and make threats?

      We want the Police and Military on our side, or at least to have them stand down and refuse unlawful orders. These two groups are critical, because the domestic enemies of the Constitution fully intend to use them against U.S. citizens to enforce their unconstitutional edicts. If we can reach the guys with the guns and awaken them to their Oaths and their duty to refuse unlawful orders, the domestic enemies of the Constitution will be toothless. The Military and Police are more disposed to listen to us, because we ARE them. They know we have been where they have been, and experienced life in their shoes. That is the only reason we make the distinction between members and associate members.

      We don’t shun or dismiss people who want to assist us in our mission, despite not having a Police or Military background. We are VERY happy to have them working with us. In fact, some of our most dynamic members are associate members. The VP of the Texas Chapter is a woman named Michele, an associate member with no Police or Military experience. She holds this position because of her own merit and professionalism. Not only does she hold a State Leadership position in one of our largest Chapters, she is the heart and soul of our National Billboard Campaign. She is just one example of the importance of our associate members.”
      ****

      Just to be clear, I am in no way anti police or military, and my negative view is not so much of OK as of at least what I perceive as a country club attitude. Like I said to Jack, if I’m wrong, I’ll be happily wrong, but I will say that there is a reason why I’ve given monetary support to and participated in groups like Appleseed, but when I saw OK’s website, I cringed a bit, wished them well, and moved on. I see the value in providing a support group to police and military for maintaining integrity to their oaths, but whenever I’ve seen “us” and “them” distinctions in groups, it works out about as well as “separate but equal” did when it comes to interactions outside of the “us” category.

      A fair part of my cringe factor is simply the fact that while police and military can and do a lot to hold the line so to speak, they as a collective have done a lot to pretend the line never existed. In my personal experience, I’ve learned to either trust a person or not trust a person. Uniform or lack there of has never been a reliable factor. So when a group that by its written membership standards puts non-uniforms as second class, but wants to form civilization preservation teams, I cringe a bit.

      • “Separate but equal”? You’re better than that.

        Oath Keepers is designed to be an organization of professionals, outreaching to other professionals. Our membership policy is that everyone can join the organization, but joining the organization does not make anyone a professional. Their actions, outside of Oath Keepers, determine that. The Oath Keepers membership structure merely recognizes their public service commitment and Oath.

        Here is something to think about that may help you come to terms with your personal perceptions; Jack offers a Service Members Discount to the same people we outreach to, because of their public service profession. Do you cringe at The Survival Podcast, because you think everyone should get that discount? If it does, your issues may be less about the Oath Keepers membership policy and more about your perception of yourself.

        That is starting to sound like the teacup generation mentality where everyone gets a trophy, even if they never played.

        James

        • The “Separate but equal” reference wasn’t an accusation to OK. Just a perception, and one that has fit the bill for a few forums that I’ve seen with separate service vs non service accounts. I saw pretty quickly that if you signed up without a badge number and didn’t yessa massa anybody with a badge icon you were labeled a turd out of line and banned. I saw that, and walked away. If I’ve unfairly applied that perception to OK, then my apologies.

          Just to reiterate, I’m not against OK, and I don’t really even care if there is exclusiveness to it (and I say if because my perception clearly differs from yours). If you say everything is merit based (ie meritocracy/doocracy) that’s great. Heck, maybe I’ll get over myself, join up for a year, rub elbows, mind my P’s and Q’s and see if my opinion changes.

          That said, the tone is way different from the service coupon code for TSP MSB, or Appleseed service discount, or the service discount at Lowe’s. A lot of people give service discounts. I get discounts on account of my employment as well. The OK model comes off more as full membership vs groupie. If I’m wrong on that account, fine – great in fact. But just judging by other comments here and elsewhere, and by the pretty even split of likes and dislikes on this topic, I think I’ve nailed the dividing concern.

          And, no I’m not a teacup – or a china plate ;). I voice my opinion openly, and if I’m wrong, then lay it on me.

    • I will never support an organization where it is clearly obvious that you consider my citizenship somehow less than your “full” members. OathKeepers has to decide if it wants to be a sort of fraternal order with membership qualifications or if you want to be an organization which helps bring the country back together. I don’t think you’re going to have the luxury of having both.

      I dare you to solve your problem in a powerful and elegant way: administer the oath to people whom are willing to take it. Once they take the oath treat them as equals. If you did that I think that most of the negative perceptions of OathKeepers would dissipate.

      • The membership policy stands, as it is an integral part of our ability to engage the Police and Military on a professional footing. If you take a public service position and the Oath, we will recognize your public service when you join. If you do not wish to take a public service position, then you are still welcome to join as an associate member. The organization does not make any judgments with regard to your citizenship.

  11. First I want to thank Jack for this episode. Active Duty AF MP.
    Now look some of ya’ll are freaking out over this Green Beret thing thinking they ain’t gonna fight. Elitism B.S.. What is more useful? 10 Spec Ops Soldiers going to war, or 100 men trained by those soldiers to kick ass and take names? Attitude is everything Gentleman. Me I took an oath an while I’m not a supporting member of Oath keepers (just got on the prepping band wagon a little while ago), I will stand by it. You maybe haven’t taken an oath, but it doesn’t take standing in front of a flag, with an officer leading you through the oath to make the oath to support and defend the constitution. It just takes someone who is committed to retaking our country back with the right attitude. You need to decide do you want to live on your knees or die on your feet. If its the latter, then get trained. And get the attitude of if I’m fortunate enough for those green berets to come to my neck of the woods I want to learn everything I can.
    God Bless Texas.

  12. Does anyone know the name of the songs at the end of the show?
    Thanks

  13. First off, great show Jack and where’d you get the first song you closed with?
    Secondly for the detractors, what do you have in mind as a solution and what are you doing to get it accomplished?
    my understanding of oathkeepers is that they want local veterans and leo working within their own communities to accomplish these goals. This isn’t about jackbooted thugs coming from elsewhere to “fix” your community its about utilizing the people there to keep it running or helping to fix it once the shtf. The reason its aimed at vets and leo’s is because we’re the ones that actually took an oath to protect this country and the constitution. Also a group of veterans in my experience will start working to resolve an issue while most groups of civilians are still debating on whoops in charge of the situation.

    • Modern Survival

      I co wrote it with Greg Yows. Search TSP for “what have you done” there is an episode all about it.

  14. Those concerned that Oath Keepers intends to “take over” or be “in charge” of anything are misunderstanding the intent of this organizational effort. The purpose is to empower our communities to be self-sufficient and not need someone to come to our “rescue.”

    The reason for using the SF model is two-fold: it works, and it hopefully gets some vets excited enough to stand up and DO something before it is too late.

    Being a veteran most certainly does NOT make someone superior to non-vets. As one commenter pointed out, there are a lot of DUMB people in the military. I spent 21 years in the Army, and we had a phrase, “Army Stupid.” It’s a special kind of stupid that is above and beyond the sort of stupidity you can find anywhere else.

    Having made that disclaimer, there are many more veterans out there who have critical knowledge that they are not currently passing on to their communities. We need to get this show on the road. We are WAY behind.

  15. Thanks for getting me unstuck on this topic, Jack. I’ve been wanting to join OK for a while, “someday when I have extra money for it.” This new initiative was the motive I needed to get involved right away, and thank you for helping me do it for the right reasons. I joined last night, even though the membership fee wasn’t in this month’s budget. I’m trying to be the change I want to see in the world, and this project seems to dovetail nicely with that. I would like to see you encourage non-military/leo folks to get involved, as Stewart does. That is curiously absent from this episode, hopefully it was just an oversight. I seem to be kinda halfway between civilian and military/leo, being a volunteer firefighter. But I think the organization and its mission will be strengthened and empowered by an influx of the “nons.”

  16. Jack,

    You nailed it on the way most people think with the soup analogy. I’ve been guilty of that in the past too.

    Better is the enemy of good enough!

    – Sean

  17. If there is a designed collapse, it won’t come until Obama’s term is close to ending, just my opinion, but, I’m like you Jack, I think the liars in charge will hold on as long as they can’t and get their own house in order and continue to lie like crazy in the mean time.

  18. MichiganNimrod

    The timing of your shows lately. The day before you replayed the air soft show I was talking to a friend about arranging some FoF stuff.

    Sunday before this episode, unaware of Stuarts email nor this podcast pending, I finally joined OK’s. No real point to this story.

    I listened before I read Stuarts email. Spot on Jack. Thanks for what you do.

    Maybe we can convince OK’s to change the name of their “Civilization Preservation Teams” to something including our beloved ant in the title… Keep your powder dry and pantry stocked.

  19. Great songs at the end of the show.

  20. I think a group like this needs to exsist. So much of our military forces are kids that follow orders and need to be reminded that they are responsible for the safety and security of the American people.

    I think that developing connections in any area where you wish to influence or gather information is critical.

    in my own dealings with people the question that solves most problems for me is ” What’s on your mind?” This question also gets me tons of information without ever asking for it.

    that simple question also helps cue you in on who can lead and who will follow. And what points you need to work to get them on your side.

  21. Any Oath Keepers in the NH area, I have office/warehouse/classroom space that I would be happy to make available for prepper purposes. Let’s talk.

  22. Ballad of the Green Berets – I haven’t heard that song in over 20 years. I ended up joining the Navy, but I totally understand the sentiment – I used to march around a rug in the living room to that song, as a 10yo. Wow. Thanks for the memories. I nearly cried and ran off the road when I realized what was playing.

    About “can’t cook soup without parsley” – It’s partly our parent’s fault, and partly our education system. ONLY ONE ANSWER IS CORRECT. If you don’t pick the EXACTLY correct multiple-guess answer, or you put the wrong word in the blank, you’re wrong – even if it’s nearly correct.

    In Automotive repair, you need the exact part. If you’re working on a car that’s old, you might “make” your own TOOLS – in some cases (depending on the repair (use a bottle or scissor jack to pry a part off)). My mom was a perfectionist. That’s the other half – for a long while, I couldn’t cook soup without parsley – but working on cars, I had to come up with “something” – because I didn’t always have the right tool. You make do with what you have, or the car doesn’t get fixed.

    “Making soup without parsley” IS something you can learn, though I still sometimes struggle.

  23. Eric Pearson

    OathKeepers.org is an Unlawful Radical Militant Group.

    I admit Oathkeepers.org has a high motivation in patriotism and a sincere desire to defend the Constitution. However they discriminate and do not allow all citizens to join equally within their radical militant group, or without paying membership fees to do so.

    Oathkeepers.org primarily recruits and only allows people with former and current government authority to join with full membership, and everyone else are considered associate members. To be in compliance with the Constitution, militias must be essentially local and independent of established authorities, since they may have to challenge or bypass those authorities if they abuse their authority or fail to perform their lawful duties.

    Furthermore, groups not open to full public membership and/or which are organized for any other purposes are not militias in accordance to the Constitution of the United States. Groups not open to public membership and/or which are organized for any other purposes are not militias. Therefore Oathkeepers.org and their members do not fully comply with the Constitution and are an unlawful radical militant group.

    The true nature and purpose of a citizen militia is defensive and concerns itself with the preservation of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. As such, a real Militia is regarded as serious and ever vigilant, but they are not militant.

    However there are individuals or groups such as ‘OathKeepers.org’ that are determined to be engaged in combat and are aggressively active. These individuals or groups are not militias they are militant.

    We must remember our founding fathers insisted on a distinction between the “genuine” Militia and a “select” militia, which they viewed as a danger, just as much a danger as a standing army. They did not want a militia whose members might consist of anything less than the entire people, or at least able-bodied ones in a certain age range, because if selected on any other basis, they might be used to oppress other parts of the population. In this case our founding fathers would clearly consider Oathkeepers to be a “select” militia when 100% of the group with full membership are former military and police, not to count a few civilians who never served and are considered associate members.

    To say it more simply, Oathkeepers would be a legally sanctioned “genuine” militia in accordance with the Constitution if they fully complied with the Constitution. Instead they are an unlawful radical militant group outside of the Constitution, and what our founding fathers would clearly call a “select” militia.

    Read more about what is a real constitutional Militia at: http://www.militianews.com.

    • Modern Survival

      The level of ignorance you have shown here is striking.

      1. Oathkeepers if far from radical
      2. Any member of Oathkeepers pays a fee
      3. Of course you can’t be an Oathkeeper if you are not prior or active military as just a person who has pledged to keep your oath. YOU HAVE NO OATH TO KEEP, again all actual “members” pay a fee to be a member.
      4. Oathkeepers is NOT A MILITIA, they don’t organize as one, they encourage others to FORM MILITIAS

      I could keep going but for the love of God your massive ignorance on this subject is so bad and so far from reality that there is no reason to reply to you further. You clearly don’t know your ass from a hole in the ground in regard to Oathkeeprs.

      Also your assertion that any private militia should have to allow anyone in to be constitutional shows you also don’t know your ass from a hole in the ground about the Constitution or the militia either.

      Almost every active militia has requirements for entry, if they didn’t that would actually be irresponsible. Geez, how the hell does one person get so much stupid crammed into 8 paragraphs?