Could that guy with a spring in the basement have an artesian well?

Another thought for what to do with a spring delivering 4 gallons/min of cool water would be an air conditioning system. 4 gallons a minute of 60 F water could theoretically provide the same level of cooling as a 2 ton AC system. Not enough to keep your standard American house at 68 on a mid-July day, but nothing to sneeze at either. With a small house, or a very efficent house, that MIGHT be enough to keep things comfortable even in a very hot climate. Particularly if you’re willing to let the house get a little chilly overnight and take some measures to have some significant thermal mass.

A spring in his basement is probably what he meant . I know of 3 houses built with this . They actually build the house over the spring with the basement into the side of a hill. The water in this area coming out of a spring is 52 – 54 degrees . This is middle Tn. It is the evaporation of some of this water that makes a spring house cooler . Makes for great water security in bad times.
Also have seen 1 house with Walter piped in on a gravity system from a spring then a holding tank in an atrium that made a nice water feature.

Jack,

I think (personally) the response by Steven Harris was misinterpreted, by pretty much everyone. His statement wasn’t about securing the can itself, but rather that the can cannot handle the forces of 100 x gravity. The can ITSELF would rip apart in a crash (because it is not rated for that kind of weight) and the fuel would fly out regardless of how you secure it.

Its not about objects flying around in the car, its about the objects themselves being able to withstand the change in gravity (literally ripping apart at the seems). Thats why he was somewhat indicating that plastic maybe not so much (Because its may not rip apart), but those gas cans… definitely.

Jack, your assessment of toy guns and their place in life was absolutely perfect! This is exactly how I was raised in the 60’s. toys were toys and we were incouraged to use our imaginations while playing. Our favorite game in elementary school was playing combat (the WWII TV show of the day) using our baseball bats as rifles and going bang and the soft balls as grenades. At home we all had BB guns but we were NEVER allowed to point our BB guns at each other, much less shoot them at each other. By the time I was 10 we were shooting .22’s and by 12 I had my first 20 ga shotgun and the next year a center fire deer rifle (a .270 win.). You are the first person in a long time that I have ever heard that really put things into what I consider to be the proper perspective

Jack, all of your vehicles are pre 2010.
Read the nightmare and be put into shock at what the EPA has shoved up our rear ends.

Make sure you read about the “If the countdown goes to zero, then the next stop the driver makes and turns that vehicle off, then goes to restart, he’ll get a ‘vehicle will not restart’ message,”

(BEST ARTICLE)
http://tinyurl.com/defnightmare
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2009/03/chrysler-diesel-exhaust-fluid-system-previews-nox-reduction-solutions-for-2010.html

SELECTED TEXT FROM THE LONGER ARTICLE…. you will crap your pants at what the EPA has done to Diesel Engines.

Come 2010, all new diesel-powered pickups will have to meet tougher federal diesel emission standards that will reduce allowable nitrogen oxide levels by 90 percent from today and by 96 percent from 1994.

The second way is the use of EGR plus a special “adsorber” catalyst material to soak up and break down remaining NOx molecules before they leave the tailpipe. Chrysler is the only heavy-duty pickup manufacturer in the segment to use this approach in its Dodge Ram 2500 and 3500 trucks. The current 2007-09 6.7-liter Cummins six-cylinder diesel powertrain reached 2010 NOx emissions requirements three years early; it will carryover into 2010 and beyond without change in these models while Ford and GM are expected to update their next-generation diesel engines for 2010 using the last technology, below.

The third, and newest, approach is selective catalytic reduction using DEF. The urea-based solution (32.5 percent industrial urea and 67.5 percent deionized water) is held in a separate storage tank and injected as a fine mist into the hot exhaust gases. The heat turns the urea into ammonia that – when combined with a special catalytic converter – breaks down the NOx into harmless nitrogen gas and water vapor.

Like Ford and GM, Chrysler will use diesel exhaust fluid to scrub NOx from the exhaust but only in its new 2010 Dodge Ram 3500, 4500 and 5500 commercial Chassis Cabs.

The Dodge Ram Chassis Cabs use the same Cummins 6.7-liter diesel as the 2500 and 3500 pickups.

You might be wondering why Chrysler is using a NOx adsorber on its HD pickups and urea SCR on its Chassis Cabs. It’s because the NOx adsorber depends on rare earth metals. Until recently, the prices of these metals had been sky high. DEF is much cheaper than rhodium or palladium. The drawback against urea though is it requires periodic maintenance and driver action.

“The 2010 [Ram] Chassis Cabs start with an eight-gallon tank to hold urea,” said Kevin Mets, senior development manager for Dodge trucks. “The eight gallons gives us a good range [approximately 4,000 miles] even though the entire package [DEF plus SCR hardware] weighs about 200 pounds. We don’t rob as much payload capacity as a tank that, say, has a capacity of 16 gallons.”

DEF is expected to cost about $2.75 a gallon when pumped at truck stops and other retailers, according to the North American SCR Stakeholders Group, an ad-hoc industry alliance of truck and engine manufacturers, regulatory agencies and associations, and DEF infrastructure partners and suppliers. It will be packaged in many ways including 2.5 gallon jugs, bulk storage and DEF dispensing units.

Chrysler has located the DEF-fill port on the same side of the truck as the diesel-tank door.

“We put the urea-fill neck on the same side as the fuel neck,” Mets said. “When a guy is at the fuel station, he fills up and can do the urea [simultaneously] so his time into both is the same.”

DEF fluid may need to be replaced in hot climates where a truck sees little to no use for extended periods. DEF slowly converts to ammonia around 120 degrees, and the process accelerates as temperatures rise.

Of key interest is what happens if the DEF tank runs dry? Chrysler says it will provide plenty of warning to drivers before the truck is prevented from restarting without a urea supply.

“It’s all mileage based,” Mets said. “The [electronic vehicle information center] will show a low-urea/fill-urea warning when there’s a 1,000-mile range left to go. As the driver gets closer [to zero] then the inducement strategy kicks in.”

That inducement strategy includes more frequent use of the low-DEF warning light, chimes that provide auditory warnings and a countdown of how many miles are left until the DEF tank is empty and the truck is immobilized.

“If the countdown goes to zero, then the next stop the driver makes and turns that vehicle off, then goes to restart, he’ll get a ‘vehicle will not restart’ message,” Mets said. “There’s plenty of warning. We’ve got a 52-gallon [diesel fuel tank], which has a range of about 600 miles or less. Eventually he’s got to fill the fuel tank back up, so he has to get off the road and make that stop, and he has to do it at a fueling station that will have a urea system there. It’s all part of the strategy.”

Come Jan. 1, 2010, most new diesel pickup truck buyers are going to have to go with the flow when it comes to dealing with urea for clean emissions.

For those thinking of ways to defeat the DEF fluid-level system, don’t. Sensors can determine the composition of the DEF added to the truck, so substitutes like pure water or (ahem) pee can’t be used. The truck will know. It will also detect if you try to mix agricultural-grade urea and demineralized water to brew a homemade batch of DEF.

RE: peer to peer networks–check out Hamachi from LogMeIn. It’s free–seriously–and it works great.

Jack you nailed it 100% on the toy gun question – great response! That might be one you might want to consider making a YouTube video & kicking it out there for the liberty movement YouTubers to spread. Well done. Thanks!