Episode-2137- Bug Out Trailers with Spirko and Harris – Part 2

Today Steven Harris and I answer your questions on Bug Out Trailers.  Big trailers, small trailers, what to put in them, what to have as an electrical system. Using cargo trailers as an emergency shelter and camper. Toilets in these trailers, storage and transportation of water for consumption and hygiene.

This is the second in a multi part series that began with Episode-2117- Steven Harris and Jack Spirko on Bug Out Trailers.  As this is clearly going to become a multi episode series I have created the tag BOT Shows so that all of them can be found at one location.

The response to the first in the series was overwhelming, Steve compiled and sent me 14 pages of questions, I printed it out and it feels like a small book, and these are just questions and a few notes here and there.  So we are going to run about 1 hour and 15 minutes on the interview and break it into pieces parts over the next few months.


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21 Responses to Episode-2137- Bug Out Trailers with Spirko and Harris – Part 2

  1. Ahhh I’ve been refreshing my feeds all day for this. Happy to have new podcasts again, thanks a ton Jack. (Also it’s always awesome listening to Steven.) Hope you had a good holiday break.

  2. May seem like nit picking but urine is not sterile. Common myth.

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      Pretty sure this is said source of said myth! Sterile is the wrong word, but safe to simply dispose of on the ground is a better way to put it.

    • Urine *IS* sterile.  Unless you have a urinary track infection.  We looked at it under microscopes in 9th grade biology.  Teacher had a prize for the 1st student to show him a bacteria.   We all looked for 10-15 minutes.  There is nothing in there alive.  However.  Urine is FULL of nutrients that promote the growth of bacteria so as soon as its out of the body, its ready to get bacteria from the air, and yes, there is bacteria in the air, or any other source and start a nice colony of them growing pretty fast.

      Now, if you check wikipedia, you’ll find  that about 25% of the dry weight of fecal material IS bacteria.  Its loaded with it…but not urine.  You could even use very fresh urine to clean a wound as long as you had some sterile water to wash the last remains of it out of the wound….and yes, we can make sterile water as well.

      WELL>>>>> Look what I just found.
      Possible pathogens in urine
      It is commonly believed that urine is sterile until it reaches the urethra, where epithelial cells lining the urethra are colonized by facultatively anaerobic Gram negative rods and cocci.[13] Current research suggests though that urine is not sterile, even in the bladder.[14] Regardless, subsequent to elimination from the body, urine can acquire strong odors due to bacterial action,[citation needed] and in particular the release of ammonia from the breakdown of urea.


  3. Great show guys. You really hit a lot of topics in a short amount of time. The part about tandem axle trailers got me thinking about my needs in a BOT.
    Idea: How about an interview with Bob Wells? He seems to be a very interesting guy with a unique take on life. Very down to earth guy from what I have seen on YouTube.

    • If you want to hear more about Bob Wells, I suggest you go to youtube and hit his extensive list of videos.   Anything he’d do on TSP for an hour would pale in comparison to his excellent content on youtube.   Although him talking about wanderlust and being free would be a good subject.  Jack and I cannot emphasis the quality of Bob Wells as a person and his content and his mission.  Just go to youtube and WATCH and LEARN and Take Notes !!




    Great show, I would like to hear a part 3 & part 4 & 5 on bug out trailers,  including more on internal framing etc, security, posible minature woodstove etc.


    • Jack covers miniature wood stoves in the show…. and we cover a bit on security… its not that hard.


      • Hi Steve, Jack, I had only listened to the first half of the show when I had to logg off and go to work.

        I posted the comment above before I heard the second half of the show.

        Great Show, probably worth visiting this topic again

  5. Good podcast.  One point, I drive a Prius and discovered, after I bought it, that pulling a trailer will void any warranties, FYI.  Like Steve said, “you bought it for other reasons so live with it”.

    I may try a trailer after it gets a little older.  Probably small pickup for other vehicle.




  6. captian obvious

    should not this be episode 2137?

  7. Man, I need to move down to Texas if you can pick up decent trucks for as cheap as you guys are saying. Up in the Chicago area, seems like anything under $3,000 is both old and rusted through due to the dumb amount of salt they dump everywhere anytime there’s a snowflake spotted in the air.

    On the subject of running power back to charge a battery bank in your trailer and running an inverter, then using a normal extension cord to power an AC battery charger… Isn’t there loads of inefficiency there between switching from DC to AC back to DC? Does this matter at all? It seems like you’re also introducing multiple points of failure versus just getting a really beefy cable to run directly?

    Jack/Steven what do you guys think about running the same cable that car stereo installers use to power high-power amplifiers? 4 gauge is easy to come by, and you can buy it by the foot (Crutchfield sells it for $3 a foot), and you could even run an in-line fuse like the stereo guys do. This seems like a way simpler solution and reliable, unless there’s something I’m missing? Is 4 gauge not enough?

    Anyway, fantastic show as usual. I’m stoked for the rest of the series over 2018, 2019, 2020…

  8. Great job guys.  Loved the topic and the show.  So glad you mentioned Stress.  It is the threat most folks fail to plan for.  We experienced this during flooding and recovery after hurricane Harvey in Houston.  In an extended disaster or bug out event the first few days you run well on adrenaline but eventually you run out of juice and crash.   This impacts you physically and mentally more than you would think (it also impacts your spouse and children).  Easy tasks become more difficult and mistakes increase exponentially.

    I’d suggest staying up for 36-48 hours before you run through your BOT load out or evacuation drills.  This will give a much more realistic experience and clearly show you why you need simple procedures and a pre-prepared plan.

  9. You guys touched on Tear Drop Trailers some. You said that they were light, 800lbs. In most cases they are closer to 1000 lbs. Sure there are some as low as 600lbs, but there is not a lot of those builds out there.

    I am building a YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3xVuHPVJm1kSSiploqPyrw? that will teach people how to make what I call a “Bug Out” trailer, of all things. The build process is a fairly new build concept using foam. My current “Bug Out” trailer that I am teaching to build weighs 375 lbs.. The foam build lends itself to a easy build that I think most people could build themselves with little to no experience. There is no harsh chemicals or complex tools used. The build is based around a bolt together trailer so everything is super simple.

    My idea on these builds, besides for recreation, is for a durable trailer that could be stored outside long periods of time (traditional builds have been known to leak and cause $1000.00’s dollars to repair). Supplies could be loaded and ready to go if a “Bug Out” is needed.

    The only wood used in this build is in the floor. The rest of the body is 2″ foam and canvas. The canvas wraps around the body to the floor and acts like a sock to hold everything snugly together.

    This whole of teaching people came from listening to you Jack. I have a Patreon page, Amazon Affiliate, and hope to hit 10,000 hits in the next few months. Without listening to the Survival Podcast and 5 Minutes with Jack I would have never attempted this.  Thanks Jack, George.

  10. Jack the right click save as has the link listed as 2136 not 2137

  11. The 7 pin connector has a dedicated +12V, and in most 7 pin cable the wire on it is a #1o.  I’ve used my truck idling to keep batteries topped off on my fifthwheel between hunts before.   I actually have a spare 7 way plug that I just use the 12V pos/neg pins in it to some anderson plugs on about 10 feet of cord and run 12v lights and inverter while tent camping.  Rather then clamp the cable on the truck battery I just plug it in to the 7pin on my truck setup on the tailgate.

  12. I have a diesel truck with the 7 way and the 4 way connector on it.  I even have the 7 pin plugs that have 2 cig lighter  power outlets on them….but…the wire is just not that big, its not a large gauge wire to carry a fair amount of power.   Its not for ‘Harris level power’.  for keeping a small battery designed for lights etc….it will work, but not for inverters.   Powering a tent at 12 volts, sure.



  13. Can anyone provide a link for the propane heat pump Steve discussed. Can’t find anything like it on Google.

  14. Jack & Steven,

    First, thank you so much for addressing my questions that I posed on the first BOT show! I got some great ideas from your discussion.

    In future shows, I would like hear more about OPSEC when it comes to bugging out like this and how things like generator noise, nighttime lights and cooking smells can be problems and how it might change your BOT plans.

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